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Line afterbang speed issues! k+++

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sskkrrtt
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hey guys. if got afterbangs with the white bases and for some reason theey are really really slow. i have to wax them constantly! maybe because im skiing in a indoor place so the snow isnt natural and is stiripping the wax faster? but ive never had the problem on my old skis. hot or cold wax maybe? k+++ for help. thanks guys.

Feb 12 2010 1:44AM
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Balto
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afterbang bases just suck, they dont hold wax for shit
Feb 12 2010 1:46AM
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alex.bgk.
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it may be a line thing.. my invaders stripped wax really fast but they were 161.. i have the 177 afterbangs now and ive been finding that when i just put on a light even wax without scraping it seems to hold longer
Feb 12 2010 1:50AM
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Fischer-Addicted
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make sure u wire brush them before u hotwax them, after u hot wax, every day or every other day use rub on wax. then hotwax again after about 2 weeks
Feb 12 2010 2:05AM
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TMG
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It is a line thing, ive seen afterbangs, anthems and invaders all have the same problem it has to do with the type of base material they use to have the bright color bases
Feb 12 2010 2:15AM
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PacificRimJob
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It has nothing to do with what colour they are using... are they an extruded base? if so, they might not be porous enough to really hold wax well...
Feb 12 2010 2:34AM
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Ryanvdonk
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bingo, you the problem isnt that they're line, it's that they are price point skis, which means they most likely used cheaper materials such as extruded bases.
Feb 12 2010 2:48AM
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FUUUCK
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theyre not going to put a nice base on a ski designed for urban
Feb 12 2010 2:50AM
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PacificRimJob
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Yeah, I know for a fact their higher end stuff has just as good of base material as most higher end skis out there.
Feb 12 2010 2:51AM
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dex.
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they dont hold wax well
Feb 12 2010 2:51AM
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Joshua.
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I haven't had an issue with mine and ski on em 4 days a week... Only had em waxed when they were mounted. hmm
Feb 12 2010 3:19AM
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LivinOuttaBounZ
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Line's website doesn't specify, but I doubt the afterbangs use a sintered base. If they are extruded then the best you can do is try a good XX pattern stone grind with lots of weight and hope that gives them some more texture. What happens with extruded bases is when it is warmer they create a suction like placing two wet plates of glass together.   
Feb 12 2010 3:39AM
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PurpleDino
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I don't have afterbangs myself but my friend does and he seems to go a hell of a lot slower than me on everything even when he waxes.
Feb 12 2010 6:38AM
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mason-
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i have seen some of the worst knuckles of my life from my friend and his afterbangs. he just cant get enough speed, even when the snow is fast.
Feb 12 2010 9:11AM
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Ryno
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The afterbang is built to take a beating...thats why they likely used an extruded base which doesn't hold wax as well.
Feb 12 2010 9:47AM
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meerkat
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try scraping the bases before and after you wax that way any dirt build up won't be on your bases
Feb 12 2010 10:05AM
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.peter
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are you waxing them yourself?
if so try a higher quality wax I usually use a race training wax but anything like that'll work and leave it on the ski for a while (overnight usually works) it makes it a pain in the ass to scrape off but once you do it makes a huge difference. Try brushing your skis after waxing them too. You don't need a steel brush but if you have one that's brass or brass with horsehair that's great, then use a straight horsehair or nylon brush after that (nylon ones are a pain in the ass to use unless it's a roto). All the brushing will open and close the pores of the ski and get the grain of your bases going in the right direction. Oh and brush them before you wax too. It cleans the base and opens up the pores to let the wax get deeper into the base. Make sure you're using the right kind of wax too. All purpose wax is good for warmer temps but it never hurts to check what the intended temperature is.
Feb 12 2010 10:57AM
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BWalmer
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Yeah, in fact I'm 95% sure that the Afterbangs are the only skis with extruded bases. The reasoning is they're are supposed to be more durable and it's a ski that's designed to be able to hold up to concrete landings of urban. It's a park ski, it's not meant to go super fast.
Feb 12 2010 11:02AM
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KFRADtheLaxBro
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i have to wax mine every week
Feb 12 2010 11:41AM
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I_liketobutter
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higher quality wax is not your answer. higher quality wax has flurocarbon in it. its used for racing on race days. its fast thats for sure, but only last a little while and then drys out your bases fast. when i used to race, i would throw a layer of regular wax on after races to keep the bases from drying out.

Here's what you should do:
Go to a shop and get them stone ground w/ some sort of pattern, they will know which to use depending on the type of snow/temp you usually ski.
Detune edges
Get yourself a brass brush w/ blue nylon around the outside.
Brush the shit out of your bases before waxing w/ ^ brush
Put wax on skis, let sit for 20 - 30 min.
Scrape
Then use a white nylon brush
Brush w/ the white nylon until it feels smooth when brushing and you base starts to look all nice
Then use a horsehair if you have one, otherwise its not really necessary
Go skiing!

Wax once a week, unless you ski 7 days a week, then do it every 3 or 4 days.
For wax to buy, get like Swix-CH (6 or 7 or 8) in bulk. Thats what a lot of racers use for training and everyday use. Its decently cheap, and makes your skis plenty fast. If it doesn't, your waxing for the wrong temps. Buy a couple temps, they have diff temps for a reason.
Dont buy that fancy ass cotton candy smelling shit that snowboarders have, it sucks.

Get this - will last you more than a couple seasons
http://reliableracing.com/detail.cfm?edp=10700532
Feb 12 2010 11:44AM
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Alp1ne
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I hit the 70 footers at whistler on them and they did fine i dont know what your talking about.
Feb 12 2010 12:18PM
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UNREAL
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woah dude 70 footers??? Thats huge! you must be sick
Feb 12 2010 12:24PM
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rickety_cricket
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The blown granular snow might actually taking the wax off more than natural snow. And like said before lines bases don't hold wax that well. I've used racing liquid teflon on mine and makes them really quick for about a day a 2 id give that a try.
Feb 12 2010 12:34PM
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skiierman
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just.... ski.... BETTER!
Feb 12 2010 12:40PM
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Twinjibber77
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I think they wanted to go for Durability > Speed
Hence the fact they advertised for you to ride rails, tree, concrete and such.
Feb 12 2010 12:47PM
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H8CH
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I notice this with my anthems in spring conditions.... they "stick" bad in softer, slushy snow... 

Feb 12 2010 2:05PM
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tacobellslayer
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Ya I got chronics and they don't hold rub on wax too well either. But in the park it doesn't matter too much
Feb 12 2010 2:47PM
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AB.Zee
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you should probly wax your skis then
Feb 12 2010 2:55PM
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yellav
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LOL
Feb 12 2010 2:58PM
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omIV
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...wax doesn't strip off. when you wax your skis, after scraping and brushing, there shouldn't be any wax on the base...there should be wax in the base. also you're skiing on cheap ass skis with no core. so of course they're gonna be slow.  if you want a fast park ski, get pipe cleaners.
Feb 12 2010 3:08PM
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jibjunkie
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line does have slow bases but it is a fact that black bases are faster than all other colors especially white
Feb 12 2010 3:33PM
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Lemuel
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My friend has abangs, and he skis switch most of the time because its faster than going forward for some reason.  Strange....  I have invaders, chronics, and elizabeths and they all do fairly well.  The lizzies are definitely the best, the chronics I would say have a slower base and I don't see any problems with the invaders, not spectacular but not terrible.
Feb 12 2010 6:59PM
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PacificRimJob
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If colour has anything to do with how fast your bases actually are, it's insanely minimal...

I guess I can see black bases absorbing more heat, and therefore running warmer and creating more of a meltwater film underneath the ski... which, in ice or firm stuff you're racing on might mean a difference...

but if you're in powder, or softer snow, then there's really not going to be much of a difference at all...
Feb 12 2010 7:26PM
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jshe
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theyre a little slower so its a challenge a little to go off jumps

but its manageable its not horrible

i wax every time i ski tho

Feb 12 2010 7:32PM
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MrLarsen
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As some people have implied the afterbangs have extruded bases. As do the anthem, mastermind and prophet flite.

Feb 12 2010 7:32PM
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onenerdykid
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Afterbangs do in fact have EXTRUDED bases, not sintered.  SO, any attempt at hot waxing them will be in vain because they will not absorb the wax.  Your best bet will be to buy this stuff called Maxi Glide (every x-country ski shop sells it).  It's a rub on wax for extruded bases and it's cheap.  It doesn't last very long, but it should get you through the day.
Feb 12 2010 7:37PM
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i.ski.troll.
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Word.  It may ruin your bases, but sure gets the job done!
Feb 12 2010 7:41PM
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onenerdykid
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It's not so much the actual color of the base as it is the amount of graphite in the base.  Higher end bases have higher amounts of graphite in them and thus they are black.  Look at any WC race ski- black bases, minimal to no die-cuts.  Just like the Pipe Cleaner- as much black as can be with out a large die-cut in the base interrupting it so it can have a "world cup race base".
Feb 12 2010 7:43PM
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JLev
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they are extruded, all specs are listed linked from bottom of Line's ski landing page click here
Feb 12 2010 7:56PM
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Juice.Doctor
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mine were slow the other day too. but i just waxed them really well and brushed really well and now theyre fine.. MAKE Sure you scrape after waxing.. the left over wax could chip off while youre skiing and rip out the fibers in your base
Feb 12 2010 8:05PM
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VT_scratch
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mine are pretty slow as well
Feb 12 2010 8:10PM
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butter161
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I know this isn't a line thing because I have invaders as of this summer, and jan1 was first time I had to wax them after going to the local mtn every weekend. Also I don't think it's the snow because that mountain would have no snow enless it made it's own.
Feb 12 2010 10:08PM
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EVAN_SKIS
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 i got them this year and mine are slow too i wax them right before i plan on hitting jumps and ive knuckled 4 times one of which i stretched my fascas and one of which i got a concussion
Feb 13 2010 11:08AM
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mattdayro
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my anthems do the same thing, thats my only beef w/ line
Feb 13 2010 11:12AM
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NickyBPorters
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Word, the Anthem,Mastermind,Shadow, Flite and kids skis also have extruded bases, basically the price point skis. Regardless your right its a urban ski that spends more time on rails or in the air then on snow.If you were looking for a solid jump ski I would of got the Cryp's
Feb 13 2010 1:07PM
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mizzike
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My chronics are wicked fast
Feb 13 2010 1:30PM
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Heart
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I've noticed my invaders are VERY slow, what type of base do they have?
Feb 15 2010 1:35PM
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sekelly22
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try hot scraping them before you put on your second coat of wax

Feb 15 2010 1:43PM
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sskkrrtt
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true
Feb 17 2010 1:38AM
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PATROL
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^that.
I have no problem with the speed and only waxed them when i first got them. and it was like november when i got them so...
Feb 17 2010 5:55AM
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steezilicious
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my a bangs are super fast for some reason and i have never waxed them
Feb 17 2010 1:36PM
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