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Final Cut Pro Vs. Sony Vegas

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weskisea
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So me and my friends have just started to consistently film, edit, and put out footage of us skiing.. and i have more than one friend who is capable of editing.

One friend has a macbook pro, (which runs final cut like a fuckin pro) and another has sony vegas ( 7.. im not sure). I personally think PC computers < Macs, and I'm sure that most all of you who have tried both agree.. unless you're a fucking redneck.

both friends want to edit, but i think that the editing / finishing should be done on final cut.. my other friend doesn't really think so.. and conflict (not like .. angry) ensues because we always use his camera.. haha.






My question:

if you had FULL access to editing Go Pro footage in either Sony Vegas 7 or Final Cut Pro, which would you use?


Jan 31 2010 11:48PM
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iLLbiLLy
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first off. its not going to be a huge differance anyway.  Its more just personal perferance.  I have vegas hd 9, permiere pro cs4 and have messed around with final cut a few times.  All are good software.  I use vegas mainly because it seems cleaner and faster than premeire.  the end result is way more dependant on the person using the solfware than the software.
Jan 31 2010 11:51PM
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ECfreeski3
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i mean its somewhat subjective, but FCP by a mile
Jan 31 2010 11:58PM
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AdolfShitler
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macs are gay
Jan 31 2010 11:58PM
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Mooserz
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its personal preference like said before. having final cut isnt going to make you a good editor and vice versa. its all about who is editing
Feb 1 2010 12:09AM
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Caveman.
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I got to know Final Cut pretty well then I switched back to PC so I could run AutoCAD and Vegas seems way harder to learn..
Feb 1 2010 12:10AM
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special_k10101
Posts: 1498 - Karma: 72
buster,
are you talking about aidan?
cuz i'm pretty sure he's never used final cut before...
Feb 1 2010 12:26AM
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steezemeister
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bitch i use final cut like errrday

but i don't think he's talking about me
Feb 1 2010 12:28AM
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Balto
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final cut blows the shit out of any pc editing program, as macs destroy any pc
Feb 1 2010 12:29AM
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Caveman.
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What? Take Steve Job's dick out of your mouth and I might be able to understand what you just said.
Feb 1 2010 12:36AM
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dergblerp
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This is barely worth asking.  Final cut pro ftw.
Feb 1 2010 12:49AM
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*saevioVITA*
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apple and fcp made my ass go broke
Feb 1 2010 12:52AM
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Dr.NS
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this thread is seriously retarded.

you can't compare the two  and you can't justify macs being better for no reason at all.

or how bout

you go run avid on your fancy macbook pro and you'll just get the bestest edits no matter what. and set it to a hathbanger song, we've fir sure never heard that shit before.
Feb 1 2010 1:19AM
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kstanz
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i have FCP but im finding it really hard to learn how to use it....
Feb 1 2010 1:40AM
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Kcin
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I can't believe what I'm hearing. I refuse to support anything apple. My mp3 player was $50 and is better than any 4 gig ipod I've ever seen
Feb 1 2010 1:42AM
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GORlLLA
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I've used both and I find that vegas is better. You can do the same things as final cut but vegas makes it easier to do.
Feb 1 2010 1:45AM
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Mooserz
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I want FCP just for the multi camera editing. unfortunately im stuck with FCE
Feb 1 2010 2:10AM
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Dr.NS
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this is happening so much now
that eventually apple's just gonna lose it and cut the whole product line

because so many people torrent it for literally no reason
like they have to edit one 2 minute video for one highschool project, and think that justifies fcp

torrenting it is fine, if you have apoint for it though
Feb 1 2010 2:20AM
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Hugh_Conway_jr
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Final cut runs on PCs too. I guess PC's blow because they support .AVI files and Games. ... off topic, I digress.

Its been said before, but it holds true ... use the program you are most comfortable with.

good edits have little to do with the program you use, and much to do with the riders and video quality.

Feb 1 2010 5:25AM
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iLLbiLLy
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haha thats a rediculous statement.  If your into overpaying for a computer that looks good then yea i guess so.  Macs are built very well but you could personally make a better product for 1/4th of what they charge.  I edit on a desktop that i garrentee would destroy most of your macs.  I would like to see your macbook pro's handle 3 hours of 24 mb/s avcHD without breaking a sweat. 

And btw, while most of you probably had your parents drop 2000+ on that fancy mac book, i built my quad2core 2.8 gighz (thats four 2.8 processors) pc for under 600.

Feb 1 2010 9:06AM
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Static
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$600? damn, you got ripped off
you can get a touchscreen mac for less than that
Feb 1 2010 9:23AM
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antwone
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lawlz
Feb 1 2010 9:27AM
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antwone
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can you explain me what you know about that, cause i'd like to know.
or point me some websites
thank you
Feb 1 2010 10:09AM
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iLLbiLLy
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haha, dont try to bullshit me, im a comptuer science major. Everything about the statement you jsut said is wrong. Four 3.0 gighz cores will always be faster than one 12 gighz(they obviously dont make this) core because of the way programs are written. Video editing programs(and any other program that handles large amounts of data)  are written to take advantage of multiple cores by implementing a highly parrell design.  By breaking up the computations into multiple 'threads' the program allows each cpu to work on a different tasks. 

On the OS/ISA(architecture) side of things, I run a 64 bit system so my processing isn't as limited by slow bus speeds.  Vegas has had full support for 64 bit systems for a few years now(since 7?) and premeire as well (CS3 or 4).  Im not sure if FC 7 now supports 64 bit but last time i checked it didnt. 

Im not saying PC's are awesome. Im not saying Macs suck.  I thought about doing a duel boot system with Mac and Windows but in the end i know i would end up doing all my work in windows because im used to the system and am more productive with it.

Feb 1 2010 12:25PM
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wh@t
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who you callin a redneck?
Feb 1 2010 12:27PM
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sstricky
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yea their full potential... no hardware in computers is up to their full potential because there is always something in the build that is holding something else down...
Feb 1 2010 2:30PM
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123ski
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Premiere Pro is a good program

FCP is also good

Vegas is good becuase it is cheap, but lacks some features of FCP and Premiere Pro.

All of those can edit HD footage without a problem.

Feb 1 2010 2:32PM
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sstricky
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ms paint?
Feb 1 2010 2:34PM
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Alex=God
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i have missed you no homo
Feb 1 2010 2:37PM
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123ski
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I just built a computer with a

core i7 2.67 ghz processor
nvidida quadro 1800fx with Elemental Accelerator (768 MB)
5 - 1TB Hitachi dries in a Raid 5 Array
12 GB of RAM DDR3

The elemental accelrator helps a lot when you are exporting footage because it puts the process of exporting/compressing the footage all on the GPU so that the CPU can still do its job.  Still, however, Premiere Pro by itself cannot read an H.264 MP4 file very easily.  You still need to put the video file in a .mov container (not the same as compressing it) for almost ANY movie editing software to read the file easier.

Feb 1 2010 2:40PM
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Big_Spence
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Only drop the money on FCP if you plan on doing a lot of advanced editing.

90% of the edits made my amateurs here on NS could easily be reproduced on Vegas. Thus saving you a lot of skrilla.
Feb 1 2010 2:42PM
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antwone
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what workflow are you using
Feb 1 2010 2:43PM
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thisandthatfilms
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i like vegas a lot better
Feb 1 2010 2:52PM
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123ski
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1st I am using Mpeg Streamclip to recontain the H.264 footage as a .MOV file instead of .Mp4
then I use Adobe Premiere + Adobe After Effects depending on the purpose of the footage I will use 1 or both.
Feb 1 2010 3:38PM
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123ski
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oh.. and then I use a 720 AVCHD 60 FPS sequence (timeline) and export the final video as an H.264 MP4 file at 59.94 FPS

^ If I am using a GoPro or any other 60fps 720p video.
Feb 1 2010 3:40PM
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Tasche
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Unrelated but when I try to bring in clips from my point and shoot digital camera in .avi format it opens a case of ff media converter or some shit, so if I try to bring in 12 clips into premier pro it runs shitty then crashes, what is the solution here?
Feb 1 2010 3:49PM
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Buzzell
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el finalcut
Feb 1 2010 3:55PM
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123ski
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what camera is it, likely your computer doesn't have the right codec yet. my guess is the MJpeg Codec in an .avi container.  But, I can't be sure unless you know what camera it is.  Once you install the correct codec your computer will run/edit the files correctly.
Feb 1 2010 5:59PM
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Franny
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windows movie maker anyone?
Feb 1 2010 6:16PM
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MADDECENT
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yeah seriously what the fuck?

Just because I'm not willing to drop $2000+ on a pretty shell with a horrible operating system that makes me a redneck?

Everybody I know that has macs and knows even the slightest bit about computers is running dual-boot so they can use windows, because it is that much better
Feb 1 2010 6:44PM
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123ski
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you, my friend, are an idiot
Feb 1 2010 6:57PM
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123ski
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but not better than a lenovo thinkpad
Feb 1 2010 7:07PM
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weskisea
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ryan

can you read?
Feb 1 2010 7:32PM
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shortdawg
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I don't even know what this thread is about but I use parallels for vegas. cuz vegas is dope.
Feb 1 2010 7:45PM
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They're both very similar programs just for different systems. Personally I prefer Final Cut Pro over Sony Vegas but you can do the same things in virtually everything.
Feb 1 2010 8:02PM
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1337
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i like using express, kind of irrelevant because its not pro. but i find it easier to do more advanced stuff in it and you can get tutorials virtually anywhere to help you.

and for all of those fighting over your own built computers, why don't you just build a super fast computer and run a Mac OS instead of a windows OS? that not possible or something?
Feb 1 2010 8:14PM
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