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Flat 3 or flat 5?

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Fischer-Addicted
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which do you think is easier to learn? Everyone ive asked so far says flat 5s are easier.
Jan 10 2010 10:06PM
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Fischer-Addicted
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any tips you have as well would be appreciated
Jan 10 2010 10:10PM
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PC_Jibblet
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is a flat 3 even possible? if so ive never seen one. my vote goes to flat 5
Jan 10 2010 10:11PM
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deleted5
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flat 10 first
Jan 10 2010 10:13PM
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J-Evs
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of course its possible.
its practically an off axis back flip (idk kinda hard to explain)

i would say learn a flat 5 first unless u have backflips and lincoln loops down
Jan 10 2010 10:16PM
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304NordMan
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this was between flat and rodeo
Jan 10 2010 10:31PM
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Puzzled
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Some people can't recognize perfect flat 3 these days...
Jan 10 2010 10:33PM
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theabortionator
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Def go with 5, the rotation wants to come around 5 on that if you do it right. Some people are just ridiculous and can bust a clean flat 3.
Jan 10 2010 10:36PM
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Forkstealer
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Not to mention rodeo 3 is by definition impossible. And flat 3 is easier for sure, you just look sideways and backflip. My flat 5s always go rodeo ><.

Jan 10 2010 10:36PM
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wasatch_rat
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dude i dont know what these people are on because i find flat 3s way, waaayyyy easier. if u can do it on a trampoline you will land it. its easier than a backflip to me. flat/rodeo 5s
Jan 10 2010 10:37PM
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wasatch_rat
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sorry for the double post but i accidentally posted before i finished. anyway flat/rodeo 5s are easy once you can flat 3, but to me a flat 3 is a lot easier
Jan 10 2010 10:40PM
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theabortionator
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I feel like with flat 3's  on a tramp you'll over roate towards 5. Everythings pretty much the same but instead of trying to stop your spin you just let it go and  just come around switch
Jan 10 2010 10:41PM
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logange
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if i can 7 should i start trying to do flatspins?
Jan 10 2010 10:41PM
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TheButterHashira
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Lucky.

I went for a back flip off this thing a snow cat made the other day and I felt like I went off straight throwing the back flip but then I saw my tips about to catch so I dipped really hard or something and landed on my side. Felt like a failed flat 3 even though it was a failed back flip.
Jan 10 2010 10:46PM
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spliff.Life
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I learned rodeo 7s first. A flat 3 or rodeo 3 is a lot like throwing a backflip
Jan 10 2010 11:08PM
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Jamie_Baril
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Being able to do a striaght up seven doesnt correlate into doing a flat spin at all. So by that critera, no. But if you have them (flat) on lockdown on trampolines you are probably safe to try a flat 3 or 5.

On a side note, I wonder how many of the people giving suggestions in this thread can actually do either of the tricks...Probably less than half.

Jan 10 2010 11:17PM
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Alp1ne
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There 2 completely different tricks get backflips down first so your comfortable with going inverted.
Jan 10 2010 11:21PM
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Ian.Ham
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i tried flat/rodeo 3 first and just naturally rotated around to 5 and stomped.  so it doesnt really matter

Jan 10 2010 11:21PM
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J.Strain
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Jan 10 2010 11:29PM
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Jamie_Baril
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If you have never done the trick then how are you supposed to tell someone else how to do it?

Jan 11 2010 2:13AM
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Ftacnik
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Thanks for making this thread, it answered my question. I think im gonna try a flat 3 first then set the spin a little harder and go for a 5. Sorry for the thread jack but would a little 10-15 ft jump be good for learning these?

Jan 11 2010 2:20AM
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PC_Jibblet
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Id say go a little bigger. If the spin feels wrong you have more time to correct yourself with a larger jump
Jan 11 2010 2:45AM
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johanblaze
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Flat 3..... watch Idea. Andy Mahre at Meadows or somewhere in Oregon on a park jump.
Jan 11 2010 2:46AM
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THUGwife
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if any one can find the video of greenleaf doing the laid out flat 3 ill give you mad karma. ive been wanting to see it again for ages but couldnt find it.
Jan 11 2010 7:13AM
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TWoods
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don't get flat 3s and wack flips confused.

A real flat 3 is when your head doesn't dip below your feet. Real hard to do. The only ones I've seen that come to mind right now have been in idea and some of the montage edits
Jan 11 2010 12:33PM
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..jack
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This
Jan 11 2010 12:33PM
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THUGwife
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bump for that greenleaf vid
Jan 12 2010 9:36PM
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quixotic
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Word. I do "rodeo" 3s. So I guess you say they are called wack flips? Because it definitely isn't a true flat 3, but I throw it like rodeo 5 without the last 180.
Jan 12 2010 9:49PM
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RyanDiMatteo
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Rodeo NEEDS 540 rotation!!! You can't rodeo 3
Jan 12 2010 10:23PM
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Ftacnik
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So whats the first trick in this video called? Junction 133 Productions - Tom Wallisch: Ambitionz of a Ridah from Junction 133 on Vimeo.
Jan 12 2010 10:26PM
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twayne
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^ Pretty sure thats a rodeo 3...
Jan 12 2010 10:39PM
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Ftacnik
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Thats what i was thinking... That or an off axis backflip

Jan 12 2010 10:42PM
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RMillz
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oh no no no

rodeo 3's do not exist sorry

those are called flat 3's, even though they are more inverted then they should be they are still called flat 's enough with this rodeo 3 shit.
Jan 12 2010 10:45PM
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Yung_Gnarley
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a backflip w/ a japan grab haha
Jan 12 2010 11:22PM
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RyanDiMatteo
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thank you!

tweaked flat 3 for sure.

Jan 12 2010 11:26PM
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ski-swagga
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the first time my friend tried a rodeo 5 he stomped a flat 3 instead :)
Jan 12 2010 11:33PM
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WillMurphy
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flat 5, flat 3's aren't good flat spins. they don't look that good

Jan 13 2010 1:39AM
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Brenner
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Rodeo 5 = Flat Spin 5
There are different angles at which you can do them to make them flatter (spinnier) or more flippy. Somewhere in the middle looks the best in my opinion.

Rodeo 3's don't exist. They're just called flat 3's.

Flat 3's are half way between a back flip and a lincoln loop.

Rodeo 7,9, and 10 are all thrown differently than rodeo 5's so it's quite confusing as to why they're the same, but they resemble each other still.

When I do rodeo's, if the jump is a bit smaller i just land flat 3, but if i go bigger or on a bigger jump, it just comes around to 5. So just throw and see which one it comes out to
Jan 13 2010 1:50AM
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treebeard
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have you ever taken that to snow?
i have flat 3's absolutely on lock on the trampoline.
took it to snow this year, can only do flat 5's and 7's.

moving forward changes things a bit.
Jan 13 2010 10:31AM
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wasatch_rat
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yea i can do them on snow, idk it feels pretty much the same to me, just pop and set it the same way. grabbing japan helps, but you probably already knew that
Jan 13 2010 3:32PM
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fratskier69
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what??? tons of people do them, colby west does one in my friend is a pro,


but i woul dstill learn flat 5's cause they are more like rodeos which are easier
Jan 13 2010 3:37PM
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KramerC
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Flat three is one of the easiest tricks to do. just throw a back at a diagonal and grab jap. Comes around perfect. Good trick to know for pow cliff days.
Jan 13 2010 3:59PM
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blakroc
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not true at all. rodeo 5s are lincon 180s and flat 5s are supposed to be thrown like a backflip while dropping ure shoulder, in a proper rodeo in the middle your feet will be pointing somewhere in between the sky and being over your head while in a flat spin they will be parallel to the ground aka flat spin
Jan 13 2010 6:11PM
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willy_baller
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thats either a flat 3 or a backflip with a japan grab... you cant really tell from the angle but a rodeo 3 isnt possible because to do a true rodeo you 90 backflip 90
Jan 13 2010 7:01PM
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Brenner
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Yes, and like I said, they can be thrown at different angles. So the look of them is varied, but all the same essencially
Jan 13 2010 9:22PM
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fbaney
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idk whats easyer but flat 5s are SICK!!!!!!!!
Jan 13 2010 9:25PM
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andreweckels
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learning rodeo 5s i did alot of flat 3's on accident. if you think you can do it try it and see what happens
Jan 13 2010 9:45PM
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Brenner
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exact same here
Jan 13 2010 11:34PM
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TWoods
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wow, this is ridiculous.

A rodeo is a mix of spinning and backflipping.
you can't rodeo 3, because that's just a backflip. a rodeo 5 is a mix of a backflip and a 180.

A flat spin is when you spin off axis, and your feet/knees don't go above your head.
It's not the same as a rodeo. Flat 5s aren't too hard, to do a true flat 3, it's pretty tricky.

a Wack Flip is a backflip that is kinda tweaked or off axis.
It's not a flat 3, because your knees and feet are above your head. Most people call wack flips flat 3s. It's not a rodeo because you aren't spinning.

and a lincoln 1 is a lincoln 1, some people call them underflips. (I might be wrong about that but i'm pretty sure that's right.)

This is all really nit-picky. I just did this to clear it up. Call it what it is kids!
Jan 13 2010 11:47PM
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TWoods
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Watch the Darkness Flat 3 video on the first page. Real sick. not wackflip.
Jan 13 2010 11:50PM
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Ftacnik
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Thanks for clarifying things
Jan 14 2010 12:31AM
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