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line_haze
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A friend of mine from my hometown who was in the military killed himself yesterday. His brother also committed suicide a few years ago after he willfully sold bad heroine to kill this other kid. My grandfather shot himself 4 years ago and one of my skydive buddies also intentionally did it this year as well.

Unfortunately for some reason in my life, I've known way to many people who have done this to themselves and I'm wondering if this is a common thing for other people. I feel that I am old enough now to understand, and cope with, the trials that life throws. I just can't understand why anyone would feel so shut off from the world that they feel the only way out is death.

I suppose I'm not really asking anything or for any responses, and this is more of a just a rant. Modern philosophy tells us that it is human nature to think about death and to think about killing ones self, but if anyone reading this is has any serious inclination to do this, talk to someone about it. Yeah, its hard to talk about it, especially because it may be one of the hardest things you may ever discuss with someone but do it anyway. I feel if any of these individuals would have talked over their problems that they could have been convinced that life is way more special than a lot of us realize. Were all guilty of taking our lives for granted at least at some point, but we need to appreciate it much more.

thanks,

Zach
Jan 10 2010 12:20AM
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Shredneck
Posts: 2051 - Karma: -32
Depression is a serious mental illness, It's easy to say you wold never consider something untill you've been in their shoes.
Jan 10 2010 12:26AM
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no_steeze
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i think the only way to comprehend how emotionally unstable up one has to be in order kill themself would be being on the verge of suicide yourself
Jan 10 2010 12:28AM
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fujarome
Posts: 8630 - Karma: 1,561
exactly.

until you've been there, you just don't get it. Back when i faced some....issues....people would tell me about all the great things i had going for me, which i now fully realize, appreciate and love. But when you're in a bad enough place that you're considering offing yourself, nothing else will matter to you.
Jan 10 2010 1:07AM
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superpoluha
Posts: 1986 - Karma: 10
drink like 10 cups of expresso, then wait for the crash.... thats what depression feels like. im not kidding, go ahead and try it. i can understand why people do it, but i think you never should even consider resorting to it
Jan 10 2010 1:33AM
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pmw
Posts: 5760 - Karma: 831
suicide is the most selfish act
Jan 10 2010 1:36AM
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baethoven
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I've had two friends stand in front of trains, and know another kid who did the same, and another that lit himself on fire. Suicide has exposed its cruel and unforgiving hands in various ways the last 3 years to me. I don't think i could ever do that to my friends and family. I've experienced firsthand what it can do to those around you, it’s awful. Death in general can alter your life greatly, when my older brother died 5 years ago, it sent my family through a mindfuck, I won’t lie I thought about whether or not it would be better if I was dead. My family has never been the same, and never will be, but I’ve learned through the experience. Nothing is ever quite as bad as it seems. There’s always hope. People need not forget this when going through a shitty time in their lives. That’s my take on it.

Jan 10 2010 1:37AM
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geteducated
Posts: 6410 - Karma: 86
espresso doesn't give you a chemical imbalance in the brain. 

if you've ever done a hard drug maybe you should have used a coming down example instead, that would be a lot more suitable.
Jan 10 2010 1:45AM
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Funnel
Posts: 7815 - Karma: 1,531
At the age of 15, I haven't experienced losing someone I knew to suicide, but I know that soon enough I will. From a good healthy mind like your's and mine, there is no way to grasp the concept of taking one's own life. Make sure the loss of someone, or bad times in general, never get you to that emotional low. Look forward at all that is to come. If you ever feel that someone you know is going to committ suicide then please tell someone immediately and get help. Good luck man and stay positive!
Jan 10 2010 2:11AM
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prontocuts.com
Posts: 5244 - Karma: 42
serious depression is one of the worse illnesses in the world. Anyone that has gone through it knows.
Jan 10 2010 2:14AM
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panojibber
Posts: 3382 - Karma: 216
Fuck off.

You have no idea why people do shit like this, and they have way bigger problems than you do or probably ever will.
Jan 10 2010 2:17AM
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860media*
Posts: 1575 - Karma: 10,519
this. people dont realize the impact that they are having on those around them.
Jan 10 2010 2:43AM
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geteducated
Posts: 6410 - Karma: 86
permanent solution to temporary problems.  

except if you're terminal with something.
Jan 10 2010 2:46AM
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seabass.
Posts: 155 - Karma: 11

i have depression i had thoughts of suiside and trust me it more than that but that saved my life because i scared my friend so bad she started to cry and then i reliezed what harm it did to other ppl

Jan 10 2010 2:54AM
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ThaLetterM.
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until you've been there, you can't understand. Thats just how it is.
Jan 10 2010 3:00AM
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Thenowhereman42
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On the contrary, suicide is actually the single most selfless act you can commit. The world is hugely over populated and getting worse. There isn't enough food. There aren't enough resources. We are slowly destroying the earth with our waste. Ending your life and tacking that -1 to the population count is the best thing you could possibly do for the earth and our society. I may sound like a dick, but I say let people who want to kill themselves do it. Not some confused 16 year old, but for example a 40 year old. If you are fully self aware, and decide that you don't want to live anymore, and your hate for yourself or others or whatever is so strong you are willing to pull the trigger and kill. yourself, I say let that person have their peace.
Jan 10 2010 3:36AM
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epic_line
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You hurt love ones and many other people. There is no reason for people to be depressed!! if everyone got enough exercise daily, then I'm almost 100% positive they wouldn't be depressed. Kid's today sit inside on computers and dont get nearly enough exercise. And they also listen to this emo music, witch just makes it worse. All they are doing is putting themselves in more of a depressed state
Jan 10 2010 5:06AM
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Benedetto.
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You have to think about how its a permanent solution to a temporary problem.
Jan 10 2010 5:42AM
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Mr.Panda
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This shit just sounds fucking scary. Like, I can't tell if you are being sarcastic or serious and if you are being serious I think you need to get some help.
Jan 10 2010 6:39AM
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dave44
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If that's what you think, then you obviously haven't a clue.

Depression really fucks you up. I'm still struggling 6 years on. It's a real mindfuck, and despite the common term "depression", what it's like for everyone is different. It's something that noone can ever truly understand. It ain't a fuckin joke.
Jan 10 2010 7:16AM
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Mike-O
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Depression is surely different for everyone who goes through it. I became depressed and paranoid when I had awful lower back pain for over a year almost constantly and no one, doctors, physicians, osteopaths, could figure out WHY. As a side effect, I succumbed to depression.

It was one reason why my 6-year-long relationship was ended, I just couldn't go out of the house during holidays for like 3 weeks except for when I ran out of food, I had no energy to do anything but lay down and feel terrible. Every speck I had of my own existence, I felt unhappy and useless. Actually, I didn't feel anything - nothing had taste, everything was just grey and bland. No matter what anyone said, I would either pretend that I'm ok or just tell 'em it would not do me any good. I was not on the verge of suicide because it's something I would never do, but I was sure as hell contemplating how easy it would be to just throw myself in front of the train or something and boom, no more misery for ME.

I also started drinking and gained 20 kilos of extra weight (I was skinny before anyway), which didn't help out that much. I had two turning points to overcome this shit: 1. I was listening to good music while taking a walk outside in early spring and saw how beatiful this world can be and started getting back to shape by going outside jogging. 2. Had sex with a girl I had a crush on for two years (even when I was in a relationship) and she came on to ME.

Then I realised that life has a habit of turning up these good things if you really want to get out there and see them for yourself. Now, I've had the best 6 months of my life and I'm happy again - it's wonderful to FEEL something again.


Jan 10 2010 7:58AM
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Mike-O
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I forgot to add, that I didn't realise that I was depressed myself. It was the people around me who suggested I go to psychiatrist or therapist. I didn't go, but I went to a nurse and did a basic test for depression and got a little too many points. She reserved me a time for a psychotherapist, but I didn't go - I suggest you do if you are offered help, I'm sure it would have done me good as well.
Jan 10 2010 8:04AM
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Elg
Posts: 2998 - Karma: 3,880
if a 40 year old commits suicide, it wont really change anything. He or she will most likely be done having kids, and then it doesn't matter if he dies now or 40 years later. If what you're saying should work, they should kill themselves before they have kids.

And what you're saying is truely fucked up. -1 person dosn't help the world population at all. Its a drop in the ocean. Suicide is selfish, you hurt alot more people than you think. And the people you hurt are the ones who you should ask to help you.
Jan 10 2010 8:34AM
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superpoluha
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aight, you guys are experts, i will leave it to you
Jan 10 2010 8:52AM
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pmills
Posts: 7162 - Karma: 59
Just to add some perspective


most of the time, when someone is depressed, even suicide is too much work to go through. You'll see that anti-depression medication often has the side effect of 'may cause suicide' and here's why: one of the troubling aspects of recovering from a deep depression is that as you get closer and closer to coming out of the depression, you start to get more motivation and are capable of more action. Unfortunately you get the motivation and capability for action before you get a sense of a positive mood which results in getting the motivation and acting upon suicidal urges.

i wonder if it's possible to realize how close to normal you are at the moment of suicidal ideation.

on a side note i've heard that depression is the body's natural reaction to problem solving; trying to make the self more logical and analytical.
Jan 10 2010 9:32AM
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hanksy
Posts: 659 - Karma: 265
Word, in the past year I've had two of my best friends entrust me alone with their suicide contemplations. It's extremely rough for them and for myself and everyone around them. Luckily neither of them killed themselves. For anyone dealing with a close friend being suicidal and looking to you for support, I suggest for yourself to also go to another close friend for support for yourself in the situation, it can be such a burden and it really helps to be there for the suicidal person when you have others supporting yourself.
Jan 10 2010 9:37AM
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hey-dude-its-me
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danm you have such a cool and interesting way of thinking about things, shut the fuck up that was the stupidest shit I've read in a while.
Jan 10 2010 9:54AM
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LMPJibbin
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its not their choice. its a fucking mental illness, no one will willfully kill themselves because they WANT to hurt the people around them
Jan 10 2010 10:33AM
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noname..
Posts: 449 - Karma: 91
sadly, he is right. the human race is in a sense a parasite.
Jan 10 2010 11:02AM
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860media*
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I had a good fiend going through this,I dont feel that they ever want to hurt the people around them, but they are none the less.
Jan 10 2010 11:09AM
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Uah
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I think you really need to calm your shit, and you have no idea how many people are destroyed because people get in a rut. My dad commited suicide and it nearly desecrated my entire familys lives.
Jan 10 2010 11:27AM
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pmw
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really? i was going to add this in but felt like people would assume something along the lines

3 fucken years ago a friend of mine hung himself, so dont go around making non-fact based assumptions about other fucken peoples lives. you honestly dont think i know why people do this? what the fuck are you, the problem police?

the rage i have for you right now is indescribable, i honestly want to put a pool ball in your mouth, curb stomp you, break all your teeth, then drown you in a toilet filled with my own shit

he took the easy way out, as does anyone who commits suicide. instead of standing fighting, he/they commit a cowardly act of selfishness, which only affected everyone around him.
Jan 10 2010 11:32AM
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pmw
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so was hitler, hussein, any other mass murdered, or even murderer acting for the good of other people?

fuck you
Jan 10 2010 11:40AM
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hey-dude-its-me
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The world is not overpopulated, certain areas are overpopulated. There is more than enough food and resources, the problem is the distribution.  You really think allowing/encouraging the mentally ill to kill themselves is the BEST thing that can be done for our society? I don't think it wouldn't have any measurable impact at all...

Thats not even considering the fact that its a fucking disease, the symptoms of which are you sometimes want to kill yourself.. So you're sick with a disease that makes you want to kill yourself, best solultion, kill yourself. So you're sick with cancer which might kill you one day, best solution, kill yourself. They're both real chemichal/molecular/biological/whateverthefuck conditions that can result in death, if you don't believe in the treatment/curing of one, you can't believe in the treatment of the other.

So basically your argument boils down to "kill all the weak people, for the betterment of the strong people". Very Hitleresque...
Jan 10 2010 11:47AM
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pmw
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the conclusion i have drawn is this kid has watched the happening one to many times
you know, that movies where the earth is over populated and the plants let out those chemicals to make people kill themselves?

yes, hes just that dumb
Jan 10 2010 11:53AM
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hey-dude-its-me
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You're more selfish than your friend who hung himself.
Jan 10 2010 11:54AM
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hey-dude-its-me
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we agree on that but, I can't agree with you that its a selfish act. Its neither, selfishness is like a conscious decision, the mentally ill clearly aren't thinking straight so the normal rules don't apply. I said you're selfish earlier bc it seems like you don't understand this and are more focuses on the suffering you've encoutered after his death rather than the suffering he was experiencing prior to his death.
Jan 10 2010 11:57AM
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sol.
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1) calm down, it was a valid comment

2) honestly, he is right.  drinking enormous amounts of caffeine over a short period of time can totally alter your thinking and basically make you go absolutely insane.  temporarily, yes, but this often includes a severe burst of depression.  so yes, it is a good way to tell what people with real depression feel like all the time 

Jan 10 2010 12:18PM
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panojibber
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I'd like to apologize to Spork and everyone else for this statement, it just irks me when people talk about suicide and think they can really understand what these people go through unless they've been there.

I hope I didn't offend you or anyone else too much, it was a reactive statement made based off things that have happened to me in my life, I definitely did not say that with the intention of hurting anyone.

Sorry for being an asshole.

I still do kind of think its unfair to call it the most selfish act. While it can be a selfish act, it is never really intended that way; when someone is suicidal they don't really see any options, and its often the desire not to hurt the people around them that keeps them from doing it. These people are often at the point where they feel they have absolutely nothing to live for - no friends, nobody who cares, no future. I do realize that this is not the case for everyone, because every situation is different, but there has to be some pretty monumental motivation to go to that length.
Jan 10 2010 12:19PM
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geet
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anyone whos saying its a selfish act is a fucking moron. people have no idea what depression is like. its a mental illnes. you dont realize what your doing u just want out.
Jan 10 2010 12:22PM
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hey-dude-its-me
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dont be a pussy, you were right to begin with, you're wording might have been harsh but you were right
Jan 10 2010 12:24PM
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panojibber
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Trust me, I'm not giving up my position. This is touchy ground for a lot of people, and I just think we should all be a little more diplomatic when discussing stuff like this, myself included.
Jan 10 2010 12:27PM
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ride_on
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Sooooo once you turn 40 everyone should kill themselves???? If its helping the world like you say then i'm going to go into and old folks home and set it on fire, or maybe just start murdering anyone i see who is over 40 because it is "for the greater good" . i hope in the future you  re read what you write and maybe try be a little less hitler and a little more ghandi

Jan 10 2010 12:30PM
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ride_on
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they may want out and the only way they see an out is death. you must admit that most times they probly dont think about their families and freinds and everyone around them they will affect. the human life is a beautiful thing. i had a freind whose mom killed herself and it was aweful, and im sure if she would have seen what she did to her family she might have reconsidered
Jan 10 2010 12:33PM
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spliff.Life
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I agree with this. I have bipolar, and during the times i dont get depressed i never ever see it coming or think about it. But once you feel depression you understand it from that point of view. I guess what im saying is i think depression is a major catalyst in the thinking process leading to suicide
Jan 10 2010 12:34PM
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panojibber
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The thing is though, they will always consider what it will do to their families, it takes a very long time and a very deep depression to get to the point where they feel that the act will either not hurt their family or will benefit them somehow. You have to keep in mind that a suicidal depression really is a mental illness, and these people don't think straight at all.
Jan 10 2010 12:48PM
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Mike-O
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Hard to see what "they" were thinking, as "they" are dead.

In Finland there is a rising trend of family men first offing their own families (wife, children, even parents in some cases) and then offing themselves afterwards, leaving behind a note  that they wanted to commit suicide, but didn't want anyone close to suffer - so kill them as well. It's pretty harsh.
Jan 10 2010 1:36PM
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geet
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they dont think about those around them ot becuase they are selfish but because the disease is very blinding. if you are in a deep state of depression there is no thinking of anything other than the state your in
Jan 10 2010 2:20PM
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jason...
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You don't think suicide is selfish? Just think about it.
Jan 10 2010 2:26PM
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860media*
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I agree, that is a very valid point
Jan 10 2010 3:23PM
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