Let's be realistic

my statement only sounds dumb because the post it was in response to was 10x dumber.

fight fire with fire.

you love cherry picking your battles don't you ohmybosh.

from where this thread started to where it is now proves once again that this fuckin' kid needs to shut up.

again, typical leftist response. Offer nothing to the argument, just call me absurd and argument without explaining why.

Know why you leave it at that? cuz you don't know why my argument is absurd or arrogant.

The only reason this thread is hwere it is now is thanks to theabortionator, a member who has time and time again proven he's a flat out idiot.

You never read any of the posts, because you can't. The previous two pages are pretty good discussion.

why don't you try reading, rather than name calling.

Don't call people older than you kid.

also, i prefaced the statement by calling it idiotic. thank you for telling me what i already knew.

oh yeah, that's exactly what i said, i said a terrorist attack on your land disqualifies you from that terrorist attack happening on your land. yup.
i also said that the US is no authority on combating terrorism because other countries suffer terrorism as well. that's exactly what i said, word for word. yup.
QUIT PUTTING WORDS IN OTHER PEOPLE'S MOUTHS. you did it in the afghanistan thread by presuming people were talking about iraq, and you're doing it here by confusing my mention of religion with terrorism, because as we know, every time i say religion, i mean muslim terrorists.
i could not give a FUCK how many people died on 9/11, stop telling me, I DO NOT CARE ABOUT DEAD PEOPLE. it has nothing to do with the fact that a) it was an attack on a global organization and b) it was an attack on everyone working in that building. it occurred on your soil, so yes, it was an attack on your country as well, and your people died so it was also an attack on them. but even those facts don't suddenly cancel out the fact that america and her citizens are not the only victims of muslim terrorist attacks, therefore meaning that america is in no way the world authority on dealing with muslim terrorists, let alone the rest of the muslim community. if that were the case, then you'd have a right to argue about what America should do with the Muslims, but of course america doesn't have the right to do anything with them and therefore you don't have the right to entertain the notion of what america ought to do with them.
of course i speak for canadians, i was elected by my nation to represent the entire country in every word i speak. of course i'm handicapped, so is the rest of canada. you're right about that.
so us douchebags make America look like the bad guy, us jealous coward motherfuckers you despise, who rather play simple international politics than identify the enemy. i get that international politics are completely pointless and hold no power in the world, i am sorry for dabbling in them, i will try to no longer play those mindlessly simple international politics and simply concentrate on the politics of my own nation. it is all my fault that the world operates on a level above national federal politics and i take full responsibily for that because i am a coward motherfucking jealous douchebag (which you despise). yup.
also, america has a large GDP, and they invent things, which has absolutely everything to do with this topic. i am sorry for denying that like i did. yup.
also, i have not been bashing your personal opinions, but your entire country. yup.

sarcasm really has no place in here, i am sorry for that. now read.
your entire fucking country was founded by people who believed in a non-interventional god, by a man who cut up the bible and made his own out of it, and by people who wanted to build a country free of religious hate. it's just too bad that a bunch of religious fucks had to move to the US and ruin it for everyone else. well, at least religion plays no part in your politics. oh wait, former president G.B. Sr. said athiests should not have rights in America. if only he could travel back in time and say that to Jefferson, he'd get his face punched in. so it's safe to say the US no longer has anything to do with the people who wrote the constitution, which would explain your idea of america being some christian nation that will be allowed by the international community to deal with those damned muslims over there.
this is off-topic, but has the US abolished slavery yet? they have? took them long enough. good thing they aren't prejudiced or ignorant.

it's pretty obvious you've never read the Qu'ran, because you have the same skewed view on it as a anybody who has never read the Bible. you clearly don't know any muslims, otherwise you'd have probably killed them for being loosely connected with terrorist groups through faith only. you don't know jack shit about the muslim faith or the people who follow it, only that a small (and it is no doubt small) percentage of them want you dead. it's perfectly reasonable for you to be scared in that case, and it's clear you are. it's a good thing you support the government whose job it is to keep you safe.
or do you? if you don't, is it because you perceive them as liberal? if so, don't worry, the rest of the world still knows they're conservative. i mean, you live in the most conservative country in the world. the chances of you having a liberal president and the same as the chances of china suddenly becoming a shining beacon of conservatism (no chance in hell). so not to worry, no matter what they taught you about the political spectrum in school, your government is still on the farthest right end of the modern global spectrum. you're safe from the rest of the world, especially since you have all of those inventions of yours at hand, protecting you from things like the dark. besides, if a liberal ever talks to you, you can just ignore everything he says and call him a dumbass or a fuck, as i've seen you do time and time again on this very website. it's only hate if it's against your views, right?
at this point, i better state that i completely agree with you on everything, otherwise your response will just consist of pro-american babble and insults.
see, i'm not bashing your country. i like America. i've visited your country a few times, and enjoyed it. of course, i might not have enjoyed it if some kid who's never experienced the world beyond his own community, or the american tourist destinations in other nations, was constantly hiding around every corner i looked, ready to jump out and tell me how his nation was better than mine, how mine was full of idiots, how many books he's read, etc. then i might not have enjoyed my stay, but i probably still wouldn't hate america, just that kid who thought everything he'd ever read was true.
see, you could read all the books in the world on any topic, and there's still a chance that the authors left out all of the important bits you'd have to experience for yourself to understand. like, if you read say, 16 books on africa, you still wouldn't have been there, and chances are if you did go, you'd only visit the places your 16 books told you to go. in that case, you'd still be missing out on everything else, and you still wouldn't know shit about africa beyond what anyone else with access to a library could have learned as well.
i could even relate an experience of my own. see, i've worked at various energy companies throughout my life (what with living in Calgary and all), and i've seen too many kids fresh out of university show up and assume that what they've learned at school can help them get the job done, that they'll end up with high-paying jobs, because they paid a lot to read a lot of books. but for all that money they spent on school, they still won't get the position they asked for because they don't know shit about the business.
now, i live in Canada, we rank somewhere around 16th in the world as far as GDP goes, which is disgusting to be honest considering all of our resources. in our economy, even a privileged kid with parents who lives in a nice house and gets ski all the time and read lots of books still has to LOOK for a job. imagine what a tough time people born into poverty must have here. it's no wonder they need help getting off the streets.
but a kid like you, who lives in America, well, a kid who wasn't born into a third-world nation, a ghetto, or even a poor family, a kid who lives in a nation that ranks so high in GDP, you shouldn't have any problem getting the jobs us poor Canadians have to work for. hell, you probably get jobs thrown at you constantly, and getting a job for poor people there must be a cinch if they just take the time to look, which is why they clearly don't need the help those damn liberals want to give them. you won't even need the experience we need to get the same high-paying jobs we get. you live in America.
so when a little bearded man fails to blow up one of your planes, it's no wonder you would get scared. the comfort of your life could have been invaded by that attack, you might have actually experienced a little bit of the world outside your borders, or your allies borders. THEY MIGHT HAVE BLOWN UP YOUR JOB FOR JESUS' SAKES.
so of course, you come on here and talk about what should be done with that man's acquaintances, and anybody who follows the same faith as them. not because you're ignorant, no, of course not, you've read books. but because you're inexperienced, and you're a fucking pussy.

don't count on me responding to any pro-american babble or insults, i already told you i agree with everything you have to say.

THANK YOU KROB, SOMEONE ON HERE HAS A FUCKING BRAIN!!!!!!!!

this entire thread is tl;dr

i miss Quinny.

Wait, there was a discussion going on?

You're whole beginning of your post. Interesting. Now I'm a charlatan too?  Then you on to tell me what I don't know. Which you have no clue on, but of course you must since your an expert on everything. Then you go back to your usual shut the fuck up blah blah blah, that you usually post to everyone.

"All you're doing now is parroting what you've read in rollingstone" I've actually never read rollingstone. And wtf does that have to do with anything? Is that somehow a dis? You just try to make fun of anyone that doesn't agree with your super duper expert ideals?  Your such a fucking winner.


"9/11 relatively small? see things like that make you an idiot. Relatively small in what sense?" Lets see maybe the atomic bombs? It's all perspective, we see that as relatively small, we were on the good side, they were on the bad side. 911, something like 3k people, but it's absolutely huge because it actually happened on our soil.

"see things like that make you an idiot" You keep repeatedly calling me and other people names. i haven't attacked you. Your style of "debating" is pretty flawed. Your into the whole i don't agree with these people so I'm going to yell and call them names. Things like that don't help to prove your point.

"Get your head out of your ass. You call me arrogant." So telling everyone there wrong, spewing constantly in every thread, calling people names, that doesn't show any arrogance?

"You're arrogant because you sit on your high horse atop a mountain of blank nothingness" Oh so turn it around, now I'm arrogant? Your the one preaching and yelling at people, calling people names. But now you need to send another attack my way. lol.

"Before you entrench yourself in opinion, read as much as you can. Spend all your free time reading, thinking, analyzing, maybe then you can hold an opinion with as much regard as you do." you should take your own advice. And on the ending in general. That just showed your arrogance.


God I can't believe I just took the time to reply to you. And I'm sure I'm going to get attacked again, even though I haven't thrown anything your way.

"again, you imply that Muslims aren't out to get us, yet you provide nothing to support your claim. You disregard all the evidence thus far presented, and simply wallow in your own world of denial."

"the idea is so foreign to you that you simply reject it with a narrow mind, simultaneously claiming that im the closed minded, ignorant one."

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The hallmarks of ignorance: making unsubstantiated claims, ostracizing those who don't believe the way you do even though your own beliefs are based on nothing."

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You've done both. congrats.

Now get the fuck out of this thread, its you and only you who's turned it into a shit storm. I know you can't read, but just take a quick glance at the previous 2 pages. Based on the structure of the words, it doesn't appear to be a shit storm does it? Get your illiterate empty dumbass brain out of here."

 Your so full of win. I lolled so hard reading that. It's amazing how ignorant yet arrogant you really are. Don't go to new jersey, a muslim guy might pump your gas and try to kill you.

^

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panda ur always givin me a boner no homo

Trying to explain things to you is like explaining math to a mentally handicapped monkey with broken hearing aids. I have offered depth in my arguments, or maybe you missed how I explained that its a combination of Islam's historical founding, American military action, American and Western culture clash, support of Israel over Arab nations and our sole fixation on draining these areas of oil by any means that have led to us as being the most hated foreign power in that region. Your insatiable lust to argue is fucked up man. If you want to look like less of a tool, try arguing with whats actually being said instead of making shit up to freak out about.

well shit in that case lets nuke them

yeah, "let's be realistic", i probably wont scroll back up to read past those first 5 points.

depth is substantiation which in this case is history. you have offered no evidence but your own thought process.

You say i have an insatiable lust to argue, yet in this post here you only say what i said in the first post. If that's the case, why post at all, unless it is you who has the insatiable lust to argue?

You offer no clear insight, ramble for two paragraphs without establishing your view point, yet employ an antagonizing tone. Then you tell me my arguments are shallow, when I have in this thread grounded everything I've said in history, text, theory, and my own thought, where you have done nothing but spew simple rhetoric without backing it up. Then you simply reiterate what I have said, yet you come from the posistion that Im wrong. then you tell me i have the insatiable lust to argue.

how on earth did you become a mod.

Dude wtf. "You say i have an insatiable lust to argue, yet in this post here you only say what i said in the first post. If that's the case, why post at all, unless it is you who has the insatiable lust to argue?"  Everytime anyone points anything out you flip it around on them. You do have a lust to argue, you are pretty arrogant.

You've consistently called people names, freaked out on people that didn't agree with your "expert" views.

Maybe your so deep in your own world that your really can't see what people are talking about with you. And then you go and drop that "how on earth did you become a mod." That's weaksauce.

Grow up a little bit jumister.

Its pretty simple, they hate us because we don't mind our own business and fuck shit up in the middle east. we dethroned the shah of iran in the '50s and appointed our own puppet, we had troops on sacred saudi soil during the first gulf war which enraged all middle eastern muslims, we blindly invaded iraq (not the best example but one nonetheless), we kill innocent civilians with predator missile launches aimed at so called "enemies," we try to pressure middle eastern governments to bend to our will with the threat of sanctions and now we have troops in Afghanistan and are threatening Iran again.

Hahaha

i think there is a problem when two very different cultures collide, like the way they have in the last 20 years, ideas have been twisted and changed...

im liking where this is going....

or you could take two minutes and read it christ i hate kids like you

you're sooo stupid.
shit.

you're saying it's bad that we help out our allies?

i'm just throwing this out there, if say russia were to attack canada, who would really have to step in to sort shit out? america, and canadians surely wouldn't bitch about that.

fuck this thread... i cant read any more retardation

im gonna jerk off to some of these pics now

CORRECT.

A thank you would be nice.

Panda please continue. I just hate how any debate seems to turn into calling each other names. For some reason, these people fail to understand that calling the opposition names makes you seem more like an ass than them. Maybe they've seen to many modern political debates/commercials where mudslinging has been effective, idk. For me at least that show a major flaw/immaturity in the poster. I don't even bother with that shit.

Go ahead panda, post some more goodies. Better than anything this thread is turning into

No actually, not helping would have been best. The Mujahideen WERE fundamentalists and we used them as fodder and didn't think the movement would grow as fast or large as it did. The soviets weren't killing them, they were killing the fundamentalists which would have solved our problems as you so display. They did EXACTLY what you are proclaiming we do. Modernized, built schools, preached communism (yet gave everyone the bare essentials of life). Can't you see this is exactly what you are saying we do Communism did it in Ghana, the horn of Africa (not then Somalia), etc. So way to contradict yourself. Hekmatyar himself literally started with maybe 30 pashtun tribesmen. Of course when you give them hellfire missiles to shoot down Russian copters it is going to backfire. Much like it did when they started turning to Massoud instead to solve our problems which we didn't learn the first time. So we failed yet again and let the Taliban come in. This isn't searching for loopholes, it's fucking up a country with the enemy of my enemy is my friend philosophy which has often lead us astray.

He became a mod not because of his arguing skills which are clearly more sufficient at creating a point.

You do make their religion seem really full of hate.

I think the religion thing will just take time.

Countries like Iran are anti-american because we sponser bombs being dropped on them. It really isn't much of a mystery. Our big mistake was arming, funding, and training them while simultaneously supporting Israel, their biggest enemy. Completely forgetting about them after the withdraw of the soviets and then dropping bombs on them in the 90's didn't help much either.

Dredging through this thread, I believed I thought I read on NS all that could be considered dumb as all fuck before... NS surprised me once again.


I didn't even want to reply to this thread. Really, it is mind-numbing (kudos Rowen, op, etc, for at least trying to do something in here for whatever reason). But this.... wow.

BLAHBLAHBLAHBLAH LOUD NOISES!!!!

Panda, please continue on.

its been there and back a few times already now

yea well said dude

I smoked pot with Johnny Hopkins...