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College Is So Not Worth It

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Cortez
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Dec 24 2009 12:26AM
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Shredneck
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Most people that I go to school with are drug users with zero ambitions
Jan 19 2010 2:39AM
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ATLskier
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I hope you're kidding. Otherwise, your attitude shows exactly why going to college is worth it, because you're fucking stupid.

No one said anything about happiness here. This is about college being worth it.

I spend prob around 6 grand a year for a top 10 architecture program. I will recoup those losses in a year. Its not hard to find scholarships and stuff.

But the thing is, is that for a lot of people, they just dont need to get a bachelors degree these days. they need to go to grad school too. The right school depends on the program you are looking at and helps determine if its worrth it. . Getting a masters in architecture at UCONN isn't even going to compare to anything at Yale, Columbia, Harvard. But getting a degree at other schools like Virginia, Cincinatti, michigan, va tech is still really good.
Jan 19 2010 3:04AM
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titsLOL
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If you go to college then become a plumber then yes, it was a waste of money.
Jan 19 2010 3:04AM
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theabortionator
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That's why I go to school. That's my favorite song. Asher Roth is awesome. I had to go to college. I wanted to drink my face off and have that one girl completely naked or whatever. 20g's a year, hell yeah.




jk I don't go to school. Other than hitting a class or two when I go two parties at random schools.
Jan 19 2010 3:25AM
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Static
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shocking
Jan 19 2010 3:28AM
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scratchproteen
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hmmm...what do you classify bullshit degree?
Jan 19 2010 3:31AM
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theabortionator
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Ouch. I really am pretty good at some stuff. Economics and business have always been something I was good at. And I already had sociology, psychology, and history for college credit.

But college wasn't for me.
Jan 19 2010 3:34AM
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steveys
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As far as I know architecture will make bank.  Hopefully.  Architects build things.  Commercial buildings and homes are in the tank.  Will their be a job for you?  You may end up at Safeway working for minimum wage.  Alot of degrees that showed you as making bank are in the shitter now due to recession or housing market.  Construction management?  Lucky to find a job.  Computer Science used to be a good $60,000 job.  Now you might have to deliver pizzas.

If a major says you can earn $x, ask them what percentage of grads make that?  Will they offer a money back guarrantee?  You are paying that tens of thousands of dollars, I bet they wont stand by what they say

Jan 19 2010 7:02AM
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Static
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^ yep, lets see how enthusiastic everyone is once they graduate
Jan 19 2010 8:08AM
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feihlination
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well here in austria, universities are pretty much free (they change it every once in a while, but the last "tuition" was 370 bucks per semester).

so a lot of people attend university, of course a lot of them shouldnt do it.

BUT unemployment rate among academics is as low as 1%. so youre pretty much set, even though it might not be a dream job, but you have good chances to get a serious job.

Jan 19 2010 9:27AM
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Malcolm
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not if youre native and living in canada.
Jan 19 2010 9:38AM
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8ONE657
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i'm gonna go out on a limb and say college is pretty worth it. i'm very thankful to be at a great university and making great grades to hopefully go on to med school.


if college is so "not worth it" then i assume you people would have no problem whatsoever dropping out tomorrow...let me know how that goes!
Jan 19 2010 9:39AM
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lahnabonny
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agreed !
Jan 19 2010 9:48AM
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Tasche
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Explains a lot.

And to ATLskier; good luck finding a job in architecture. Not trying to be sarcastic at all. I have several friends in architecture and after working at places like Home Depot for the last couple of years they are all back in grad school. The only architecture major I know with a job works for his dad's company.

In my opinion one of the great failings of the American college system is this idea that as long as you go to college and get a degree you are set. I personally can't see any advantage to getting a communications degree.

That being said I went to college having no idea what I wanted to do. I went to a school that was engineering only, and to tell you the truth I would have transferred out of engineering after my sophomore if I had anywhere to go. I then picked a major that, at the time, was the highest paid 4 year degree in the country. My freshman year the graduating class was 40 kids. I graduated with 150 during a sudden and dramatic decline in not only my industry but the entire economy. The graduation placement was 99% the class before me, mine was less than 50%. Just goes to show you that no matter how hard you work in college or what degree you get shit can always come up and wreck your plans.

I am still of the opinion that the most versatile degree is mechanical engineering. You can do anything with this degree and I highly encourage anyone who is undecided to go this route. You may not party quite as hard in college but it will be more than worth it.

I am also a big proponent of trade school. You can get a inexpensive degree in 2 years that, if you are good, will lead to a specialized career and high income. I would much rather have a degree in diesel engine maintenance from Denver Automotive and Diesel College than a communications degree from CSU.

College is worth it and everyone should go to some type of secondary education, saying it is not for me is a foolish decision, even for someone who is so heavily invested in the silver market.
Jan 19 2010 10:33AM
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DaveM
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Impressive facts
Jan 19 2010 10:41AM
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I_Am_Mod
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all the cool kids study geology!!

Jan 19 2010 10:47AM
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comeatmebro
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i think some sort of secondary school is a must, but college not so much. i'm more for the trade schools.

hell i'm going into a 15 month program for air traffic control and after a maximum of 2 working years i'll be making 100k+ a year.
Jan 19 2010 10:57AM
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Tasche
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You will be making max 70k a year, where do people get these outrageous salary ideas?

I know several air traffic controllers who have been at their jobs for several years. Also they have to move wherever they are told to move. No job is perfect, air traffic controllers are rewarded with high salaries for the extreme stress, high suicide rate, and rotational nature of job placement. Also I have heard that most if not all starting jobs go to Navy and Air Force retirees.

That being said good luck and congratulations on getting a legitimate degree, just curb your expectations a little bit.
Jan 19 2010 11:03AM
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JNix.
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people who work in air traffic control have the highest percentage of suicide. Apparently it is one of the most stressful jobs because so many lives are riding on you not fucking up ever. Does make bank though
Jan 19 2010 11:10AM
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Dustin.
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No you won't, but you could learn that in the Air Force for free in the same amount of time, get out after 2 years with 2 years experience and actually be valuable to someone.  Not 100k, your insane if you think that.
Jan 19 2010 11:20AM
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Dustin.
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This is one of the most quality post to ever hit the web.

I especially like this quote:  "In my opinion one of the great failings of the American college system is this idea that as long as you go to college and get a degree you are set.  I personally can't see any advantage to getting a communications degree."

It's absolutely true.  A degree means little if it's not valuable to society.  And there are plenty of kids who waste thousands of dollars to fail out of college and/or put in 0 effort.  If you are going to go, you should at least expect to work hard.  Getting into college is easy as shit, even large state universities.  Do you really think it's that difficult to convince them to let you pay them $20,000?  You have to perform well in a valuable degree, and even then jobs are not guaranteed.  Set yourselves up for success...don't bitch about it after the fact.
Jan 19 2010 11:26AM
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Barefootin_Fiend
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This is very true. Unless you want to work an entry level position for 10 years, you almost have to have some sort of Master's degree or other professional certification. Bachelor's degrees are a dime a dozen anymore.
Jan 19 2010 11:37AM
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skithebert
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yep. i'm in grad school at UT-austin, which is a top 10 architecture school apparently, and have many friends graduating with masters in architecture and none of them can find jobs. This is the reality that a lot of graduates find unfortunately. i'm in the sciences which is also challenging to find a good job even after i get a phD.

i think a lot of young people will be shocked to find themselves not earning as much as expected as quickly as expected. I've read that our generation will be the first to not out earn our parents. It's interesting to think about but it could definitely be true.
Jan 19 2010 11:44AM
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eheath
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Its a proven fact that college grads will make more money, so its worth it.


Plus, i dunno about others but i spend way less money on school than in those stats. I will spend no where close to 217k on my bachelors, more like 80-90k, which is still alot, but still i think its worth while.
Jan 19 2010 11:52AM
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Tasche
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I think that will be true.

Here is my fumbling attempt at psychology why; My parents are very modest. My dad is an aircraft mechanic for United and my mom is a school nurse. Combined they make about 80-100k a year depending on how much overtime my dad works. I went to a high school where kids were literally driving M3's and Esclades as their first cars. I was in no way poor but I would say below average for the income level of my school. I think that kind of motivates a person to do something. A lot of the kids who had a ton of money got BS degrees or didn't go to college at all. So their parents worked hard to give them everything they could ever want, and they never learned to work and want for themselves. One of the most successful kids from my high school was poor as dirt, now he owns an airplane.

Also I would say the vast majority of kids at my college were from modest families. A lot different vibe at a place like CU where most of the kids are rich out of their minds.

So maybe it will just become a cycle. Rich hard working parents = lazy kid = hard working grand kids?
Jan 19 2010 11:53AM
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Steezius_Maximus
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fuck you thats my job- part time tho
Jan 19 2010 12:37PM
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neon1peace
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Im Gonna magor in Woman Studies










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Jan 19 2010 12:45PM
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antwone
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college here cost 1k per session
Jan 19 2010 1:04PM
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TechnoPotamus
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it is worth it, but it certainly sucks trying to find a job once you graduate. especially if you live in the U.S. because I have to tell you it feels near impossible to find something....despite sending out over 10 apps a week for things i'm fully qualified for.
Jan 19 2010 1:11PM
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VT_FLO
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this is just a compilation of stupidity
Jan 19 2010 1:14PM
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weedski
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college is the best thing ever, until graduation. then  70% of american kids have to get a job for the first time, and there are no jobs, only entry level positions that wont allow you to live and pay off the loans you took out while doing nothing but telling people "im in college!"

college is worth it, but not at 18 with no life experience. guidance counselors wont tell you this. go ski.

Jan 19 2010 1:19PM
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vermontsteez
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:\ fuck it...
Jan 19 2010 1:20PM
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Afeld
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This man died so you could go to college
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Jan 19 2010 1:31PM
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apcaipse
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I would say college is definitely worth it.
My dad grew up kind of poor, he now owns his own email publishing business called Pizzazz. He was never sure he'd have a meal on his plate at night, but when it came to school, he fucking worked his ass off. Got full scholarships to a school in Santa Barbara. Then he worked hard enough to go abroad and study in Britain, where he left his college and went back packing around. He traveled till he graduated and says it was the best 4 years of his life. He had NO help from his parents, and he has all the respect in the world from me.
My mom grew up where she was never sure about money, because her dad (my grandpa) was a lawyer who wasn't very wise with his money, so he would make like 2 million on a suit, then spend 400k on a car. They were always in debt, so when she got to go to college, she worked her ass off. 4.0 GPA, never had lower then an A. Studied abroad in France. Now she owns a writing business called Brave Writer. And says college was the best time of her life.
Without college, neither of them would've have these opportunities, they would have never had their businesses, traveled, met there friends, or each other. So as far as I'm concerned, college is DEFINITELY worth it.

Jan 19 2010 1:52PM
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TheButterHashira
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No stupid degrees and private schools are not worth it.
Jan 19 2010 1:57PM
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ECfreeski3
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i'm the first person to say that going to college is absolutely not mandatory, but that list was fucking stupid
Jan 19 2010 2:33PM
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theabortionator
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This whole idea that everyone needs to go to college is retarded. There are plenty of people getting a hell of a lot out of it, and also plenty of people just wasting there money. People going for the wrong reasons.

I'm more about the entrepreneurial spirit. I just want to find my own means through. I'm alright with driving a 2k used car. If I buy a house it just being a small house. I don't need a lot of shit.

Some people are way to stick up in commercialism.  I'm not a fan.

And for some of you people. If you took whatever you spent on college, and invested it into silver. You would have doubled your money. And not been sitting in to bad a spot right now.
Jan 19 2010 3:02PM
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Tasche
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Silver investment =/= college degree haha you are so fucking crazy. You love silver, you are like gold finger, but with silver.

American life is buying shit you don't need, with money you don't have, to impress people you don't like.

Good luck changing the status quo with your lucrative silver investments.

haha doubling your money. "I made 3 grand investing in silver and you can too!!!"
Jan 19 2010 3:12PM
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theabortionator
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Dude, I didn't have a shit ton of money to drop. People made hundreds of thousands. I mean doubling your money in a year pretty much knowing it's going to go up is never a bad idea.

I'm not trying to change the status quo. People can do what they want. But there still are a ton of people in college, that aren't getting as much out of it as they think.

"American life is buying shit you don't need, with money you don't have, to impress people you don't like." Unfortunately that's true. And that's a big trap for a lot of people. Keep racking up that debt trying to buy a bunch of shit that you can't afford, and try to find happiness in it.

Again with the silver though. Investing money might not be for everyone. But there are plenty of people playing around with the stock market, and an investment that doubles in a year in the stock market is pretty damn good. I don't see the problem with silver. Anyone who's been sitting on a large stack of usd for years is the crazy person.

precious metals are a really smart investment these days. Why do you think cash for gold type things have been popping up everywhere. Giving idiots who have no clue what there gold or silver is worth, a small percentage of it's value. Those guys are making serious bank.
Jan 19 2010 3:20PM
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comeatmebro
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or i could not go to the air force because i don't want to. i would rather pay off my 19,000 dollar debt. not to claim, but my uncle is the vice president of US airways and is on the air traffic control board which oversees the entire country, i think he knows a bit more than you. i promise you the salary for air traffic controllers is after they "check out" (if you even know what that means) ((which takes a max of two years)) is 100k and above at medium size airports. in fact i would bet money that you have done next to no research on the subject whereas i have visited various schools and talked to many people running these programs as well as professors who have given real time numbers. actually i will do a quick google search for air traffic control wages...

Air traffic controllers earn relatively high pay and have good benefits. Median annual wages of air traffic controllers in May 2008 were $111,870.

The average annual salary, excluding overtime earnings, for air traffic controllers in the Federal Government—which employs 90 percent of all controllers—was $109,218 in March 2009. The highest 10 percent earned more than $161,010.

both from different sources.

do not talk about something you know nothing about, please. you just make yourself look like a complete idiot.
Jan 19 2010 3:29PM
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comeatmebro
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same thing i said to him, but i am guaranteed 100% job placement within 9 months after i finish my school. anyways after you check out (which takes 2 years max) the minimum salary you can earn is 70k. and that is at a ridiculously small airport which has a few planes a day land at it. anyways, at least you weren't an asshole. you can google numbers for all of this stuff, it's in plain view. the rest you can read above if you'd like.
Jan 19 2010 3:32PM
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Tasche
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Your scope is so limited and misinformed it is impossible to debate you. Silver is in no way guaranteed to increase. You were lucky with a sound investment in a market that was in an upward swing with a very small amount of capital. I even made a reference in an earlier post that you would bring up silver.
Jan 19 2010 3:35PM
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feihlination
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dude i talked to jesus last nite and he said that air traffic controllers make max 65k. i was kinda high and everything and then i asked that fat white triangle in the air and it totally agreed with big J. obama (who pays all federal employees) was more on max 70k. so no way youre gonna get 100k.

three different sources, so i guess its safe.

no serious, i think that youre sources can be trusted, but there are a lot of people out there who make similar claims to ensure their arguments sound better, although they made up the whole thing

Jan 19 2010 3:38PM
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theabortionator
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Misinformed? You make it sound like precious metal investment only go up due to increased demand or some upswing in value.

Inflation. That's a huge problem in america. The value of the dollar keeps going down. The more money we print off the higher the prices will rise. Yes there was a silver rush that drive up the prices realy high. But inflation adjusted precious metals are still dirt cheap.

Unless we start pulling money out of circulation, inflation is going to keep rising. And were doing the opposite. We keep printing money. The USD is a joke these days.
Jan 19 2010 3:39PM
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comeatmebro
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yeah i know. hell i said to google air traffic control wages and you'll find plenty of info right there.
Jan 19 2010 3:40PM
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Tasche
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I agree with everything you said, just be prepared to start out more around 30-50k as a ground controller and have to work your way up and be open to moving around if you ever want to make 100k. I wouldn't expect 100k in 2 years but all the best.
Jan 19 2010 3:47PM
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-+Siver+-
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Hey man, that is great to hear that you are becoming an air traffic controller. Those guys definitely don't get enough credit for the amount of people that they keep safe everyday. Who knows maybe I will eventually be talking to you on either tower or ground frequencies. Good luck with your program! 
Jan 19 2010 4:57PM
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hoodSlayer
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whats with the hate on liberal arts?!!! I'm a poly sci major/business minor (planning on going to law school) and even if I decide not to go to law school I think I would be marketable to a wide variety of job opportunities
Jan 19 2010 4:58PM
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OhMyBosh
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Philosophy major FTW.


Jobs are overrated anyways. im gnna make unemployment cool again.
Jan 19 2010 5:02PM
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steveys
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And my parents paid for it too.  Including housing.  Got a degree from a UC, which is probably the best system after the IVY league, then got a Master Science in Network engineering (and during my schooling got a Cisco Certified Network Associate) and graduated right in the recession, and just nothing.  That guy that is going to a tech school that thinks he is going to get $60,000 -$80,000 a year, I hope you know what you are doing!!  BTW, someone recently SUED a tech school because they promised he would get a high paying job, and he graduated and couldnt get shit because of the economy.  And while the economy might improve, most tech jobs aren't coming back unless you want to move to Inda.
Jan 19 2010 5:03PM
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