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Just received $8,000 from Uncle Obama...

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ferrinski86
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yup, just got my $8,000 from the government for the first time home buyers credit. want to take a guess how much i actually received? would you say more or less?
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More. $165.63 more to be exact. so, now im sitting with $8,165.63 because i made interest on the 8,000, i guess. haha

anyways, anybody else take advantage of the credit?
Dec 23 2009 12:08PM
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Armanzoid
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+k, read this shit people.
Dec 23 2009 9:43PM
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skiminnesota
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i dont know any other way to put it, but this is pure and simple, utter bullshit. yes Bush cut the taxes for teh "rich" but did you know that under bush the ammount of Americans that paid no income taxes actually went up? cause it did. not to mention after the "rich" got their taxes cut individually, their income bracket as a whole actually ended up paying MORE of the federal budget.

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Andy, congrats on the house. glad to see you got the credit, lord knows your family business has paid far more than its fair share in taxes...
Dec 23 2009 9:58PM
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Aenigma
Posts: 11256 - Karma: 424
I'm 21. I have had about $70,000 in medical expenses since high school. Insurance has been a very, very good thing for me, even though I am about to get booted off of it.
Dec 23 2009 10:17PM
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Gnarwall
Posts: 1180 - Karma: 50
Says the kid who has injured himself countless times bike racing...
Dec 23 2009 10:20PM
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SMH[-__-]
Posts: 545 - Karma: 13
hes definately up there
Dec 23 2009 10:44PM
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mavinnowhere
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Obama didn't just "give 6 million to a ski hill in MN (Hyland ski area) its a state park and in this economy 6 million isn't much going towards fixing our problems as a country. Would you rather the money be given to some company who in turn hands it to their executives? ala the point about it being a ski hill makes no point.
The problem is people don't that the money we pay as taxes pays for very major services that we take for granted. These people going nuts over higher taxes don't see how small an investment it is for the service it provides.
Dec 23 2009 10:54PM
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skiminnesota
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i know Spirit Mtn got a shit load of money, but i was not aware that hyland did as well.

as someone who works for Three Rivers. (hyland) (BTW its not a state park, but thats just semantics) i can tell you that money will be squandered in incalculable ways. trust me, i know how the park operates.

not to mention, the 6m (or whatever the number was) that money was not the governments, that was my money, your money, and other peoples money. For the government to give the park that money it first had to literally steal the money from someone. Go look up the broken window fallacy. basically it says that i should go around breaking windows because all the money that would then need to be spent on window repair men would stimulate the economy.

we already pay extremely high taxes, and honestly, i dont see a very great value from all the spending MN does. I would bet you dont either, unless you collect a transfer payment check. Dont give me this bullshit about roads and schools. MN is not running billions of dollars in the red because they spent to much money building roads and schools. have you driven on 94 lately?
Dec 23 2009 11:09PM
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ski_ENDUB
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congratulations, My buddy is still waiting for his
Dec 23 2009 11:13PM
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speedy29
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Errr
When the top 10 percent make more then the bottom 50 their bound to pay the largest portion of the taxes cause they have the most.

AMERICA would not be America if only the rich got government services and the poor got nothing then it would be China.

And no shit more people didnt pay income taxes during the Bush years. He did his darndest to send the middle and lower middle class down in the world. Considering when he was in offices wages werent even matching the cost of living increases.

As I said in a post before trickle down doesnt work when you give it to people who already have enough money to buy what they want they just save it. Hence BUSH=MASSIVE FAIL

But shit what do I care Ive been in the upper middle class my whole life and I bet a good proportion on this website are too.
Dec 23 2009 11:22PM
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skiminnesota
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ok lets atleast establish that i am working under the premise that its THEIR money. Consequently, i want everyone, including myself, to keep as much of their own property as possible. I like to think that its standing up for the greatest minority of all. The individual. whether rich or poor.

second. lets say i have a cool million bucks, im not going to go stuff it under a mattress. (although its my money so i can do what i damn well please with it) im gonna invest it. so i put the money in the bank and earn a hansom interest rate. whats the bank do with that money? they dont set on all of it, they loan it out. to a family that is purchasing a home, to a entrepreneur thats going to start a business. etc.
Dec 23 2009 11:28PM
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eheath
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Stoked to get my check.
Dec 23 2009 11:41PM
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DUKES
Posts: 5150 - Karma: 691
It's our tax dollars goin down the mother fucking drain
Dec 23 2009 11:56PM
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PhilboydStudge
Posts: 3431 - Karma: 206
Thank you. And to the guy you quoted-fuck you, you're an idiot.
Dec 24 2009 2:37AM
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Nicholas.
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meh, youre welcome....at least you arent some skell collecting welfare and unemplyment.

this kid was bitching to me the other day about how he loses too much money to taxes, ten minutes later he was like "why not collect unemployment while you work, or welfare?" facepalm so hard.

its a bit disappointing that i lose a few gs every year for things like this though.....
Dec 24 2009 2:42AM
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prontocuts.com
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-More dead troops and innocent civis

-they opened another "guantanamo"

-A stimulus that nobody seems to know where the money went. The government's website tracking the stimulus makes up hundreds of fake state counties, that are said to have been helped by the money.

Dec 24 2009 2:57AM
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skierdudeguy
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Its always good to preface an "intelligent" post with "dude. youre so retarded its not even funny."
Well, it set the stage for the rest of your post, so at least it was fitting.
You want to talk about how much debt our previous president put us in? Obama spent more money in his first year than Bush did in 8. FAR more. Agree or disagree with the spending itself, but it is irrefutable that the type of spending we are seeing with Obama is completely unprecedented. The sheer volume of dollars being thrown around is completely humbling. And just like somebody said early, you cant give someone money without taking it from someone else.
"you're ignorance is absolutely so painful to read." *sigh*  you really dont have any idea what youre talking about, do you? And I know that the whole spelling/punctuation thing is hard, but you're/your isnt that bad. Sorry, I digress.
This line is my favorite: " you and your fellow dickwad americans keep digging your whole so damn deep , your ears are covered in shit, thus why you're likely too fucking stupid to realize anything remotely logical."
I mean, really? How has no one called this woman out yet? Completely ignoring the whole/hole fiasco, and the lack of understanding of English syntax, all you did was sling mud here. Make an argument! You hide behind name calling and then a few posts later, say you have a life so you didnt want to justify your arguments. Great.
I love the idea that middle class/rich families pay less in taxes than the poor. Great, though common, misconception.
Bush was the worst thing to happen to the US? Well yeah, if all you do is listen to CNN and your undereducated peers who railed against Bush for 8+ years with no real idea of what he was doing right/wrong. That was a sad time in NS, with all the little 14 year olds shouting "FUCK BUSH!!1!" with zero actual argument. But I'm glad that the undereducated though HUGELY self-assured contingent is still present. If you don't really know anything about politics and current issues, thats fine. But for the love of God, don't come on here and call people out for being idiots when you, yourself, have no clue.

Dec 24 2009 6:42AM
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skierdudeguy
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I'd like to point out that Bush didn't just skip the whole negotiation step. Also, I'm not prepared to call the Universal health care thing as a positive, but that is definitely an opinion/perspective matter. I hope youre kidding about the pirate thing. "Passed the largest stimulus in US history." Yeeeaah, only taken one macro class, but I just cant get behind this whole thing. At least not in this manifestation.
I dont have a problem with the 21,000 troops in Afghanistan, but I think it's worth pointing out how much Obama preached that he was going to end the Afghani occupation. Bush isn't the only one who lied here. The guy that everyone loves is lying his ass off too.
Severely diminished the role of lobbyists in senate? Well... maybe. But remember his platform that he would hold C-Span televised negotiations and talks regarding environmental and health care issues, so that the American people would know whats going on, and could have input? Well, what they became are closed door talks with lobbyists present and involved. Call me Peter Griffin, but that REALLY grinds my gears.
"Before he can do any good, he has to fix everything that that dumbass Bush did." Can I get examples? I know you dont plan on chalking this economy up to Bush, so what do you mean? The middle east? I can see that, but beyond that...?
Dec 24 2009 6:51AM
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skierdudeguy
Posts: 6574 - Karma: 81
And here you swoop in to help me regain my faith in NS.
Dec 24 2009 6:52AM
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neutralzombie
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cnn is republican and definitely not a source i would use for politics.
middle class isn't the rich.
i speak two languages and am vulnerable to human error.
bush was the worst thing to happen to the us, and i think a lot of people agree.
Dec 24 2009 8:29AM
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skiminnesota
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please. you try and claim intelligence and then serve up this beauty. unless you were just mocking the kid who said Obama was the worst. in that case disregard  this post.


people hating bush just because, well actually i dont know why you hate bush. and honestly that seems to be par for the course, (people hating bush, just because, he was, and is fashionable to hate)

dont come back expecting me to defend Bush, because i am far from his biggest fan myself. but im not so dimwitted as to think he was the worst thing to happen to this country. thats just moronic. BTW are you even an American?
Dec 24 2009 10:32AM
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with_stupid
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called it.....

Dec 24 2009 10:41AM
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-justice-
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oh wow.  just wow. 
Dec 24 2009 11:05AM
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Norred
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Exactly, and they don't plan on using the majority of it until right before the elections.  They don't give a shit about helping Americans, they only care about power.  If they're so concerned about helping us, why will they start taxing the shit out of us right away for this health care bullshit, but there won't be any benefits for 4 years?  They're taking your freedom people, wake up.
Dec 24 2009 11:14AM
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GDC
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pics
Dec 24 2009 11:23AM
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Ben.
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lol.

i hated bush. im about as liberal as they come. i still dont think bush was BY FAR the worst thing to happen to the US. take a look at hoover, buchanon, andrew johnson, to name a few
Dec 24 2009 12:36PM
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neutralzombie
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jeez, just because i didn't say "one of the worst"

besides, i'm just saying comparable to the obama statement, which i don't see why isn't the main topic anymore. which ps, s a complete joke for a statement.
Dec 24 2009 12:46PM
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SkeeOrDye
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judging by your name and icon, you are probly barely in high school, and have very limited life experiences. For one, young people get hurt and sick too, you must be very sheltered. Second, a kids medical bill isn't cheaper than an adults like the kids meal at the Ground Round. If I didn't have insurance for my knee surgery, first the operation itself with all the hospital bills and MRI's and pre-op appointments added up to about 10 grand. Then post op appointments, Physical therapy, and prescriptions without insurance would have costed me around 300-500 a week, for about a month, then mabe 200 a week for the next two months after that. Without insurance I'd probly never even gotten it done and destroyed my knee completely by now.

What people don't understand is if people can get the health care when their problems start, instead of when we can finally afford it, we cut down on medical costs AS A SOCIETY, and thats what the fucking government is for, BENEFITING SOCIETY AS A WHOLE. This being a skiing website, most of us come from families wealthier than 70% of the country, and don't even have a clue what it is like to struggle financially, and then have to deal with a medical problem without insurance, its is life ruining. People shouldn't have to decide between their health and having enough money to pay for their rent/food, It is a lose lose situation.
Dec 24 2009 1:06PM
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skierdudeguy
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aaaaaaaaaaaaaaand faced by logic and knowledge, the backpedal begins
Dec 24 2009 1:09PM
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Ben.
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oh and justin stop posting your graphs. we all know you can make those say whatever you want them to
Dec 24 2009 1:11PM
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neutralzombie
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nooo. simply if you people read some my posts in their entireness there wouldn't be much bashing!
Dec 24 2009 1:32PM
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MitchPee
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Where are you going to go? Chances are that country will have socialized health care.


Dec 24 2009 1:51PM
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neutralzombie
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maybe he'll move to africa. good health care there!
Dec 24 2009 2:07PM
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MitchPee
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Funny, you definitely haven't gone down to the bank to a get a small business loan because you would realize that it is extremely hard. Banks are currently in a liquidity trap in which people (very rich) are essentially stuffing money in a mattress ie offshore accounts, tangible goods (gold/silver) and other forms of gluttonous, in which I refer to as purely in taste of economics, behavior.

That chart is complete BS because there were several acts that hindered the amount of income tax (and added more loopholes) in the outside portion of marginal tax rates in the upper 5%. Not to mention the message that it displays is far too vague to even interpret. There is a reason that the huge disparity of an income gap is in our country.

Don't look at me, look right at the facts. Look at any credible source of information, it will tell you the income inequality is at an all time high, yet people in here are bitching that the rich get taxed too much? Are you kidding me? During the most prominent economic times in the US we had a strong middle class, high taxes, no debt. That's what I want to strive for and having 5% with 95% of the wealth cripples any sort of effective demand that may appear. Not to mention there is no possible way to personally invest 5 billion dollars effectively and responsibly.

I think you guys need to recognize what it is to "earn" money. If you are born into a rich family and you get a huge inheritence does that mean you earned all that money? Does entitlement post any difference than the welfare slug who gets his check every month? I find a very fine line often distinguishes between the two.

It's not a matter of Obama forgetting macroeconomic principles, although he has made some mistakes, it's a matter of you guys not being able to interperet anything into the real world that isn't a supply demand model based on a thousand assumptions.
Dec 24 2009 2:12PM
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MitchPee
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You don't know why people hate Bush?

He can't even stick to a conservative economic policy. IE cut taxes AND spending. We know he only did one of those and the only spending he cut was for the EPA. This argument of Bush being fashionable to hate is utter garbage man. Utter garbage and I can't believe that people can't step out of their own bias to realize it. Just think about it as moderately as you can.

I haven't seen Obama kill thousands of US citizens to "Endure Iraqi Freedom" and "Spread Democracy". While he did completely lose hold of any sort of organization of the financial bailout, there are worse impacts I can pick out from Bush's policies.

If we don't deal with this right now and admit this was the absolute biggest fallacy in foreign relations since Andrew Jackson made the Native Americans march across the country to confined areas, then we will have people believing that Bush's "war on terror" was a good thing. So please stop perpetuating this utter nonsense. It's disturbing and this is why the rest of the world mocks us on a constant basis.


Dec 24 2009 2:21PM
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LO_GO
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^^^ yah very true.
Dec 24 2009 2:21PM
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neutralzombie
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:)
Dec 24 2009 3:01PM
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speedy29
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To anyone who thinks deficit spending is bad maybe its time it breakout the old highschool history books.

Last time we were in a depression on a scale similar to this was 1929 and it was caused by guess what the american people buying things with money they didnt have shocking isnt it.

Lets look at some of the ways we crawled out of that one who knows maybe its happening today too.

Spending on public projects. Check

Investing in new technology. Check

Increasing benefits to the jobless. Check

Help build up a new world class industry. Check ( if this one confuses you it was aircraft manufacturing back then and now its the green industry)

Why do we study history kids so we dont make the same mistakes over again. Maybe it would of helped if Bush ever thought of that you know with his two military quagmires and his sweeping deregulation of big business.
Dec 24 2009 3:16PM
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skierdudeguy
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A world war that enabled a wartime economy-- Check.
That's what really bailed us out. And before that Canadian woman starts spewing more nonsense, I am not advocating a world war. And to her again, I have read the entirety (or entireness) of all of your posts, and I did not misquote or misrepresent anything you said. Maybe you need to screen what you type, because you are honestly saying some ridiculous shit in this thread.
Dec 24 2009 6:20PM
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speedy29
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Every thing stated is fact.

We dont need a war to spend money and kick start new industry. At the time we were at war so we spent money on manufacturing weapons, planes, tanks, and whatever else.

We can spend money on green technology and boost the economy like aircraft design/manufacturing did for places like Southern California and Wichita during and after the war.

I'm not saying your wrong everyones entitled to interpret things the way they want but that does not mean I am fabricating facts. All of those things did contribute to bringing the US out of a huge recession.

Both recessions were caused by the American public using money they didnt have. Before it was putting money into the stock market using things like options and short sales and now days it was by overextending credit to buy frivolous things.

As someone stated before FDR was called a commie or a socialist and now he is considered one of the greatest presidents ever.
Dec 24 2009 6:31PM
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SirFryanator
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this thread is full of fail
Dec 24 2009 6:35PM
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skierdudeguy
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haha the misrepresentation thing was not directed at you. I do agree that the new deal had impact, but the war itself had a much greater impact, as far as i can ascertain.
Dec 24 2009 7:29PM
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Tinga
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spirit mountain will too.

Dec 24 2009 8:03PM
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eheath
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People need to stop arguing on NS about politics, 90% of the shit said is BS kids look up online.
Dec 24 2009 8:10PM
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speedy29
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Sorry my bad. The war did have a big impact but why cant we treat war as a mentality. Wage war on pollution. Or we could devote more energy to education reform, fix our broken agricultural system, help to end poverty, put money into making our country fit again, give incentives to bring manufacturing jobs back to america. There are so many problems that we could fix and that would boost economy that dont involve widespread death and mayhem that a traditional war would.
Dec 24 2009 8:20PM
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skierdudeguy
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Thats true i guess. I never really looked at it like that. My only problem is that we are entrusting the government for this. No one is less efficient with money than the government. In the whole wartime economy bailing out the economy, the government was BUYING, as opposed to now when the government is spending. They have incentive to spend money right in the face of something like a world war. Now, in my opinion, Obama is arbitrarily throwing cash around with no sense of accountability. And I think we have to have something that everyone who is paying into the system can really rally behind (again, a world war is just about perfect for that). So I do totally agree with what youre saying on paper, but i just dont think it will turn out like that in practice.
Dec 24 2009 9:03PM
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Rez4frederick
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Thats pretty sick, you better save that so you can make payments on your 100K+ house if thats what you bought....
Dec 24 2009 9:46PM
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MatRich
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a bunch of you rich kids bashing about your parrents working harder than the middle and lower class: step out of your dads fucking mansion and see the world a bit. go to the poor places and talk to people. the middle class and lower are probably the hardest working people. Think about it when your rich, you dont do the bitch jobs... you pay a guy who makes less than you to do that job. the lower class people do the jobs that take up time and effort and often have to do more than one of these. Im talking about everyone who is stuck with multiple jobs at fast foods, reatail stores to your plumber who works all day suffering burns, cuts, hearing loss and plenty of other problems. these are the hard workers of our society, they are called the working class for a reason: they put hard work into getting by. And then theres your rich ass dad's who you say are so hard working. Im talking about your buisness men who own shares in different companies for example. they make their money mainly by investing in companies and get paid for paying a good sum. And these all say that they worked hard to get their money. Fuck you, you didnt work any harder than anyone in the lower class. You were born in the rich class so you had the money to throw around and take risk's. The real buisness men I aplaud and respect are the people who came out of the lower class by risking their money and making tough decisions that got them to the higher class.
Dec 24 2009 10:12PM
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grown-ninja
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ive been planing on buying one or some delapidated in detroit for some time now as an investment, you need to be careful because some have backtaxes and so on but you can find homes for under a grand, there torn to crap and so on but after closing coast and so on your looking at under 4 grand, i need to talk to my tax guy and see if this "rebate" applons but if it does im going to jump on this and make a little cash...thank you government

Dec 24 2009 11:14PM
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.jesus.
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*waste
Dec 24 2009 11:21PM
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speedy29
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Now you are a scumbag taking advantage of something meant to help people. Fuck you seriously go play in traffic now.
Dec 24 2009 11:46PM
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