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Just received $8,000 from Uncle Obama...

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ferrinski86
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yup, just got my $8,000 from the government for the first time home buyers credit. want to take a guess how much i actually received? would you say more or less?
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More. $165.63 more to be exact. so, now im sitting with $8,165.63 because i made interest on the 8,000, i guess. haha

anyways, anybody else take advantage of the credit?
Dec 23 2009 12:08PM
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theblacktaco
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are kidding me young people don't need health care ..  so what about those  nights i spent in the hospital over the months and the drugs i needed to get rid of the clot in my liver. what about anytime u get sick or anytime u break a bone . or u just to ignarant to have anything bad happen to you
Dec 23 2009 5:10PM
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fuckyocouch
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what the fuck do you know about the world?  your probably 16 sitting in your parents warm food filled house house with the television as your only alibi.  The health care reform is meant to help people who can't afford or can't get expensive corporate insurance along with aleviating the costs to anybody struggling (although negoation with people aligned with the larger corporate interest have pretty much stripped the plan of any worth).  turn off fox news and pull your head out of your ass. It absolutely enrages me when completeley ignorant fools like you say obama is the worst thing thats ever happenned to this country. We were left in shambbles (Trillion dollar defecit, Troops fighting a losing war, No progression whatsoever on the front of science in the betterment of world affairs and numerous other things)  after the 8 year idiocracy of the bush administration. It baffles me how republicans all say they want the government out of our business but align with the people who only further look to control us more. Please for the sake of America do move out of the country it will most Definetly be a better place without you. sincerely, Fuck yo couch you dumbass motherfucker
Dec 23 2009 5:15PM
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lineskier10
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this is why minors are not aloud to vote
Dec 23 2009 5:17PM
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lineskier10
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*allowed, i knew when i typed it out it looked wrong
Dec 23 2009 5:18PM
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yojimbo
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yeah, obama might tax the shit out of us. but at least he's taxing all of us, not like previous administrations who only taxed the middle to lower classes.

also, sounds like you like using examples, however most countries where universal healthcare "works" still have crazy high taxes, just like norway. so sure, you might not go to norway, but chances are any other country you pick is going to have crazy high taxes anyways.
Dec 23 2009 5:25PM
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sktrkdo7
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your a dumbass of epic proportions. grow up a little bit and see the world outside of your narrow minded parents shadow u ignorant piece of shit
Dec 23 2009 5:26PM
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yojimbo
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so ignore the threads that have "political crap" in them. just because it's there doesn't mean you have to read it, or even post.
Dec 23 2009 5:28PM
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Casey
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haha, yeah you would.

Dec 23 2009 5:32PM
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yojimbo
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lol. you really are a fool. young people need health insurance more than old people. they're just going to die, you could get a serious illness in your early 20's and not be able to afford treatment and lose your entire life. your a fucking dumbass. the only reason old people need health insurance is to pay for those mad expensive drugs that keep them alive for what...3 or 4 more years? I'd rather lose 3 or 4 years than 30 or 40 years. your a fucking idiot. also, i really hope you break your spine the day after you get dropped from your parents insurance. oh, and good luck moving to another country to avoid all this american bullshit. you can pay even higher taxes, to maintain an equal quality of life. or you can pay no taxes, and live in your neighbors shit and only drink bottled water.
Dec 23 2009 5:33PM
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Mr.Panda
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What is so funny though is that in the bill in the Senate if you can't afford to pay the tax for the healthcare you don't get it.
Dec 23 2009 5:37PM
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fuckyocouch
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thats why the whole thing is a Fail.  of course the rich overprivelaged senators dont want to tax themselves.
Dec 23 2009 5:45PM
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shibby
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Haha, you're a fucking idiot. I would tell you why and how but I'll just let NS Hydro Pump your ass.
Dec 23 2009 5:52PM
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jerad
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Dec 23 2009 5:56PM
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Ben.
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jesus. you really are a total moron
Dec 23 2009 6:27PM
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BootySpunk.
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Charmander I don't even wanna quote all the stupid shit you have said but...you are fucking retarded...have fun breaking a bone while skiing and than saying you don't need insurance.


and Ohmybosh I am starting to like you more...keep it up!
Dec 23 2009 6:34PM
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gigi.d
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^i know. Some people are so ungrateful sometimes.They don't know that we work hard for money just to give it up to people who think that they don't have to do anything and that they government will just give them money.
Dec 23 2009 6:39PM
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Commonwealth
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Obama forgot the information you learn in basic macroeconomics, but it seems you have forgotten the the basic rules of English.

Dec 23 2009 6:48PM
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neutralzombie
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you're quite possibly as dumb as charmander.



and i think i fell off my chair when i read "young people don't need insurance"

maybe you should look at who gets injured the most. i.e. breaking bones, car crashes, illnesses, fights, stitches.
your parents have insurance because of you.
Dec 23 2009 6:51PM
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Commonwealth
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Shut up, he's right.
Dec 23 2009 6:53PM
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neutralzombie
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unfortunately, good luck with yourself.
Dec 23 2009 6:54PM
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Hermondo
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Norway.. hell yeah!

this man knows what's up
Dec 23 2009 6:59PM
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Commonwealth
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See, what does that statement even mean? You're talking garbage.

Rather than provide one-line replies, please elaborate on your thinking. I'll start:

I know jack-shit about politics. But its common knowledge that there are plenty of lobbyists in Congress. Right away, that proves Snowcase's point that Bush wasn't the only dishonest politician - they're all dishonest. They don't give a fuck about us, they just want to get re-elected.

I don't pay attention to the health care debate, so I don't claim to know what I'm talking about, unlike some members who aren't even old enough to vote, like fucking charmander. I voted for Obama, and I'm happy I did. Because him and Geithner prevented our economy from completely collapsing.

Wall Street was so fucked, and big business thought they were invincible. Obama refused to take shit from them, and I applaud him for that.
Dec 23 2009 7:01PM
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henrik
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infested with muslims? are you serious? you clearly don't know what you're talking about there buddy
Dec 23 2009 7:07PM
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yojimbo
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lolz. read the rest of what he's saying in the thread then tell me he knows whats up again. especially the bit about young people not needing insurance. hah.
Dec 23 2009 7:08PM
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gigi.d
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Damn you are dumb. First of all Obama is a communist. He is taking money from the people that have worked hard for their money(my father for instance) and giving it to the people who don't give a shit about work and think that the government will pay for everything (for example: did you see that video with that woman saying, "he gonna pay for my car, my house my everything"?) I mean some people have it hard. Some people are working like 3 jobs just to keep up with the economy (such as my friends mom). Obama gave like 6 thousand (or million i forget which) to a small as ski area in Minnesota so they could have snow making machines. I mean that is wack. We are already in debt why would you spent money on something that will help EVERYONE.
Dec 23 2009 7:10PM
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SMH[-__-]
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Dec 23 2009 7:12PM
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Commonwealth
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Hey sorry, I didn't get around to reading the rest of your shitty ass reply because I couldn't get past this statement.
Dec 23 2009 7:13PM
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speedy29
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So at the risk of looking like an ignorant fuck Im going to add my 2 cents.

So banks weren't giving out loans easily lately(completely justified). But there were people who had the money and stable employment but could only buy there first home if they put a large sum down on the house(for instance my brother had to put down 25% on a 400,000 dollar home). Now they have the money but they can put that much down and still pay other bills.

Now if this 8,000 tax credit allowed them to buy a home then instead of later its a good thing and heres why I think its good. First off buying the home put money in the pocket of both a realtor and the home inspector. Both of which are usually middle class job and both of which are hurting for business right now. So that 8,000 dollars just help 2 middle class families. Not to mention the insurance agent who now has 1 more client again a middle class job. Maybe the 8000 dollars goes to home improvement again it gives money to those working instead of being unemployed getting money for doing nothing.

Then again maybe new home owners are using money to go on vacation in a foreign country or put in in savings and not stimulating the economy.

If I'm wrong please correct me I don't know a huge amount about economics. It makes me want to slight my wrists then take a bunch of vicodin and chase them with a tall glass of vodka. And if you are going to correct me please be older than 16 and explain why not just say shut up your stupid.
Dec 23 2009 7:15PM
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ferrinski86
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I like how everybody turned my thread into a healthcare debate haha

thanks NS.

nobody still answered my question and i dont expect them too. apparently im the only one on NS who built (or bought a house) and took the credit. did it help in my case? not really, i already built my house before all this happened. i just happened to get in on it when i closed on my house loan.

ill probably use it to plant a lawn next spring.
Dec 23 2009 7:16PM
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skier_boy26
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So glad I didn't vote for obama. Unfortunately, too many people were entranced by his hallow words.


I love the contrived haste for this healthcare fiasco. The bill doesn't do shit to combat what most politicians say it will. It doesn't even provide the "immediate relief" that many in congress (reid, burris, murray from my state recently have said) say is so fucking crucial. It just raises taxes, takes from other broken programs, and then subsidizes shit in a few years... really fucking great. The system is broken as hell, but this is not the solution. Hell, the government is part of the problem (see widely-seen axelrods comments on competition). Perhaps the sad thing that is coming out of all of this is that people feel the need that the bills floating in congress (the passed house bill, and the one that will probably pass tomorrow in the senate) are the only solutions; entranced, again. Nobody is proposing to do nothing. Plenty of moves, smaller ones, can make some bigger, and less disastrous changes, without having bigger government tentacles.
Dec 23 2009 7:19PM
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ferrinski86
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I dont know how old you are but your pretty right on the spot.

Im going to use it for home improvements (technically its still a new construction at this point). I made interest on the 8 grand because i did not get the money up front at closing, which is what its sort of meant for. so the government paid me interest from the time i closed on my loan until i received the check (today)

oh, ad it stimulates alot more people than 2 or 3. I paid closing costs to realtors, my banker, the closing agent, the mortgage company, the inspectors, and a couple more that i cant think of. but yes, they are all middle class people that helped along the way.
Dec 23 2009 7:20PM
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theabortionator
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The problem with the homes, had a lot to do with the fed an interest rates. Artificially low interests rates, encouraging people to buy homes they could afford, banks were making risky/bad loans.

The housing market got bid up way over what the homes were actually worth. In all it turned into a big mess. Unfortunately we didn't really change that much. And we def didn't learn much of a lesson. We should have gone through the recession, dealt with it and moved on. All we did was prop up a bad system, that will fail time and time again. Fed needs to be shut down asap.
Dec 23 2009 7:30PM
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speedy29
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"Tear" you just gave me a little hope for the intelligence of America.Seriously.

Thank you for not being greedy and hoarding the cash but doing what it was meant to do.

Im 20 and I'm a rare breed called a moderate im in the middle and lean left on some things and right on others.

And just to add this is how the "trickle down effect" really works. What Bush did was give money to the rich who already have all they need so extra money never "trickled down". Now what this tax credit obama approved is aimed at people who are most likely to spend it on things that help American.

I hope some people on here think about their view and realize that being greedy isn't always the best way. There may be a day where you need the help and if everyone has the view of screw everyone I want to keep my money you may spend the rest of your life in the lower class. Remember its really easy move into lower classes than it is to move up.

And most of all con-grates on your house it good to see some hard working people doing well.


Dec 23 2009 7:32PM
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speedy29
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And before anyone says anything no im not a commie and no I dont think we should give all our money away.
Dec 23 2009 7:33PM
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speedy29
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Actually a large part of the bubble was the rise of unfixed loans. They were really low at first then jumped up beyond what most people could afford to pay.

Lesson is if you can pay a fixed rate dont fucking buy a house.
Dec 23 2009 7:35PM
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MrLarsen
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Seriously? Infested with muslims?! I have been living all my life in Norway, and not once have I been in a place I would call muslim infested. Sure there are certain parts of the major norwegian cities where there are more muslims than most other places in Norway, but infested, no..

And why are muslims so bad? It´s fundamentalists that are bad no matter if they are muslim, christian, hindu or whatever other beliefs they may have..
Dec 23 2009 7:37PM
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neutralzombie
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dude. we're arguing the same point. the only thing i was pressing was if obama was the worst thing to happen to the states, i don't know where anyone was for the past 8 years. and if you've read my posts in many other political threads you'd know i've said the exact same thing you're saying. i would highly appreciate if people actually read points i make and instead of assuming i'm a complete twit, perhpas considering that maybe, just maybe, i'm making a valid point without the actual ability to communicate on a much higher level. i don't need to sit and debate all night and get hot headed over internet conversations and when i'm ready to call it quits i insert a one liner as my bail out, saying, enjoy yourselves boys. i have a life to go have fun with! merry christmas everyone.
Dec 23 2009 7:39PM
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gigi.d
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uh you too?
Dec 23 2009 7:51PM
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fappy
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you stupid motherfucker. norway is one of the most secular countries in the world.
Dec 23 2009 7:55PM
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Steezius_Maximus
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WHAT the Fuck thats my icon?????
Dec 23 2009 8:00PM
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SSteezle
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the upper class has been paying more in taxes than the poor. why do you think we should further this deficit of money on the upper class when they're the ones working for their money? And we're providing people who do absolutely nothing and don't have a job with financial support.

Also I'd like to make it known that a lot of the money that people are paying for US health care are actually paying for those millions of people that don't have health care. If a homeless person comes off the street into a hospital, they aren't just not going to treat the person. They treat the person and leave them back on the streets where they came from. So a lot of the money that we pay for health care is contributing to surgeries, etc. for those without health care. I'm not saying that this happens in every instance, but it happens a lot more than people think.

I would also say that it's fucked up that a lot of my friends in college don't have health care and if they hurt themselves skiing or snowboarding then they have the option of going to the hospital and spending the rest of their life paying off their debt or to not go to the hospital and possibly die or have your body fucked for the rest of your life.


Dec 23 2009 8:01PM
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PhilboydStudge
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Oh boy...
Dec 23 2009 8:14PM
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gigi.d
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 you said it.
Dec 23 2009 8:22PM
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butteredjohnson
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put it this way. you just put our country 8,000 dollars more in debt. its like obama doesnt relize we are 18,000 million dollars in debt.
Dec 23 2009 8:32PM
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blackoutbill
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Haha. 18 million? Try over 12 trillion. Someone already said it but I feel like Obama has a team of economic advisors and they probably know a bit more about economics than some kids on the internets

Dec 23 2009 9:19PM
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adamlukowski
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The Bush family is the worst thing to happen...
Dec 23 2009 9:27PM
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SSteezle
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Dec 23 2009 9:27PM
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selkirks
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Stop talking. Just stop. Barack Obama is not a Communist. You're confusing different political systems. If anything, you'd call him a Socialist, and even that doesn't make sense. Go to China. Go to Cuba. That's real Communism. Look at the former Soviet Union. That was a Socialist Republic. You don't even know. People called FDR a Socialist. Now he's regarded as one of the best Presidents of all time.

The people that the Congress (and Obama, by proxy) is trying to help are mainly low- to middle-class Americans. It's not about giving money to people who sit on their asses. It's about helping the people who are literally struggling just to keep their house, their car, their job. These people (most often) have jobs or have recently lost their job and are faced with a decision of literally putting food on the table or paying their mortgage. These are the people with three or four jobs just so that they can try to sustain themselves.

There was a list higher up of Obama's positive achievements, which I though was pretty spot-on. For example:

-The reparation of the US's image overseas (to an extent).
-Troop surge (with a plan) in Afghanistan.
-Closure of Guantanamo Bay.
-Passing a stimulus package that ultimately saved our economy from falling into a depression.
-Filling the stimulus package with long-term measures to make sure our economy continues to grow.
-Negotiating a climate framework that will be brought to fruition next year.
-Overhaul of the financial regulatory system.
-Massive progress on energy legislation.
-Of course, significant progress on healthcare reform.

Which brings me to another (rhetorical) question: would you seriously rather have your healthcare controlled exclusively by a consortium of private insurance companies, who don't really care about you as an individual so much as getting your money, than have your healthcare regulated (not completely controlled) by the government, which you have considerably more control over?
Dec 23 2009 9:34PM
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Nathn
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You're probably the dumbest person I've seen on newschoolers so far.
Dec 23 2009 9:37PM
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