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Perma shin bang/treatment solutions

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mer-man
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so i had fucking shity boots last year and ended up baseically skiing whenever my shins werent killing with shin bang, this year i smartend up a little and got my self some full tilts and idk its weird its not like there giving me shin bang more like it just never really went away. is this even possible? if so and even if not is there any treatment besides time that anyone has found cause im sick a this shit


spark notes: is perma shin bang possible/ can you treat shin bang other then waiting

also i realize there are many shin bang threads but i fond nothing about perma bang

and yes my full tilts fit properly so fuck of
Dec 20 2009 9:47PM
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kronickrew
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eveyone says full tilts help a ton they help but not that much i ussualy just ice my shin if its feeling sore and that helps but a good idea is to get booster straps or stuff a drink cozy between your shin and the tongue of your boot

Dec 20 2009 9:51PM
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mer-man
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thank you lol i just read youre thread
Dec 20 2009 9:53PM
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Blurst
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I don't think that perma shinbang is possible but shinbang is caused most of the time from landing backseat so maybe you should try not to land backseat a lot?
Dec 20 2009 9:54PM
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skithesprings
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what flex are your tilts?

believe it or not, the softer the tounge, the less shinbang i get. i ski with the #2 flex and i have completly gotten rid of my bang

Dec 20 2009 9:57PM
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mer-man
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hasent even been any jumps yet only a decent amount of rails thats the thing its like over the summer it never really went away
Dec 20 2009 9:58PM
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LiamMcKinley
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no bang with my FTs yet. lovin it.
Dec 20 2009 9:59PM
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Blurst
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Oh i see that could be a problem then. I might almost be worth seeing a doctor if it is that bad.
Dec 20 2009 9:59PM
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mer-man
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i got 09 hot doggers so i think 4? ya i was thinking about getting some softer toungs dunno really where id get that b/s/t i guess i dunno all check my retailer maybe
Dec 20 2009 10:00PM
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Piste.Off
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shin bang isn't only caused by landing back seat and having bad boots. having bad form skiing causes shin bang too. not saying you do, but that may be it.
Dec 20 2009 10:03PM
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Sklar
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i hear booster straps help
Dec 20 2009 10:04PM
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jdilla
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Try cranking the top cable down a little more, along with the rest of the buckles. Get the strap tight as fuck too. I have the same boots (09 hot doggers) and I never get any shin or toe bang anymore, coming from shitty ass stiff langes.
Dec 20 2009 10:10PM
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icon1234
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maybe ur sking backseat?

Also if ur boots didnt fit before, and your new boots dont fit again then it doesnt matter if they costed you $1200 or $100 ur still gonna get shin bang
Dec 20 2009 10:21PM
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mer-man
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idk i really dont think so i have my level 1 instructor, im pretty sure thas not the problem.

am i the only one that gets perma bang?

also i would tighten my top buckle more but it makes a nasty pressure point on my calf

im thinking tighten the power strap like a nigger and get some softer toungs
Dec 20 2009 11:19PM
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Thatdp
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i was in some beastly racer boots last year and was geting mad shin band then i got some full tilts and they helped a little bit but still hurt.  I figured out that if you tighten your boots as tight as posible then it realy does aliminate shin bang.
Dec 20 2009 11:29PM
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DBAKE
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I have gone through HELLLL with shin bang, i had boots that were a few sizes to big then i, got fulltilts that fit perfect and i have learned a few things.

Try not to land back seat, it will start or re-injure your shins,

booster straps can help

Pretty much if you have any good fitting boot you can still get shin band if you land back seat.

Dec 20 2009 11:31PM
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skithesprings
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oh, with full tilts crank the strap as tight as you can get it under the tounge but over the liner. that helps too.
Dec 20 2009 11:33PM
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Walter.
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yeah i get it sometimes in my fulltilts but they are to big, i just ice em and make my boots fit better with secret ways...
Dec 20 2009 11:53PM
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Literature
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Landing centered/forward will help.

The same pair of Booster straps have kept me shin bang free through three pairs of boots over six years of skiing, and probably through 650+ ski days. Can't say enough about how well they've worked.

Full Tilts may solve your shin bang, but so might any other boot. My experience with FTs lasted a total of two days: the day I got them, and the next day when I skied three runs with them before hastening back to the store for a refund. Too soft (even with an 8 tongue), and the buckles randomly changed position while tightening, creating pressure points. I went back to Lange Banshee Pros, and have been super happy with them.
Dec 21 2009 12:35AM
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.jesus.
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i disagree i got hella shin bang last season and now with my hot doggers im feeling amazing!
Dec 21 2009 1:49AM
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blong131
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wait explain that again
Dec 21 2009 1:55AM
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jdilla
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You should be able to tighten your boots pretty much all the way without pressure points...especially with hot doggers. The stock tongue and cables are not that stiff anyway. If you're getting pressure points, try getting your liners baked...you should be able to crank those fuckers down as tight as they'll go. Just make sure you're getting even pressure when you tighten your boots. Shin bang tends to happen when your shin can wiggle around the top of your ski boot, and not buckling your boots evenly can cause that.


Dec 21 2009 2:11AM
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chicken
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I have full tilts. I find the best combo is 2 elastic booster strap inside the plastic with a 4 or 6 tongue (145 pounds)
Dec 21 2009 3:42AM
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Forrest.Gump
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if you ski with bad form (LOL), weight forward  into the boot, and you bend your knees alot, the plastic piece in front of you shin is cutting in to your shin as it tries to bend. everytime you bend to pop or press your skiing "improperly," which to me  is freestyle, not incorrect.

booster straps will further prevent you from bending and being freestyle.
Dec 21 2009 10:03AM
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L_Ahrens
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Try Arnica! Seriously. Go to a whole foods or wild oats type store and get a tube of arnica and rub it on your shins. Arnica montana tablets can help too. It really does help
Dec 21 2009 1:41PM
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IrideWI
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seriouisly?
Dec 21 2009 2:32PM
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Mr_pretzel
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word this guy knows whats up. Every time i get shinbang i just take a hot shower the cover my hole lower leg with arnica. Then i go straight to bed keeping my legs warm the hole time that should help. Also massaging your legs up and down does also help alot i do it like 4-5 times a day do it at school, while your watching tv on the bus anytime your sitting down this should help you get trough the season if you aint buying new boots. I did this last year when i had bad fitting spk's now i have ft hot doggers and have been skinbang free for 14 days of skiing.
Dec 21 2009 2:40PM
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kronickrew
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well yes if you had hella shin bang last year you boots obviously were not fitting well and too stiff for your comfort and the hot dogger must fit your footwell and you probably enjoy the flex more
Dec 21 2009 2:46PM
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RoadRash_Skier
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mass your shin! turpin told me to do that this summer and it work!! just press a bit with your finger where it hurt. after like 2 days of this treatment your shins will less hurt.
Dec 21 2009 6:29PM
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chicken
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Wait, are you saying that weight/pressure in the front of your boot is bad?

Because if you are saying that you are wrong.
Dec 22 2009 3:16AM
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rozboon
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My friend gets the same thing - crazy permanent shinbang. It's actually starting to put him off his skiing, he doesn't normally land backseat but if he lands just a little bit back it's agony. He can go 2 weeks without skiing and first hit of the day if he lands it a little bit wrong, bam. And it basically ruins his day.

He has a really pronounced shinbone and also skis really cranked into the front of his boots, we figure this is probably the cause. He had a bootfitter add 2 strips of foam on either side of the tongue of the liner (not Full Tilts...) to relieve pressure on the middle of his shin, kinda spread the load as such.

I don't know about it lasting all summer but I know for him it could last 2-3 weeks and still be really bad as soon as he got back on his planks.

Dec 22 2009 4:42AM
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BjornR
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Shinbang is because your shin is flexing uneavenly in the boot.

Tighten up the boot or get a softer tounge that have a softer flex.
Dec 22 2009 4:46AM
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Fischer-Addicted
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tighten up the boots around your leg really tight, and if that fails buy BOOSTER STRAPS! its a a nylon strap thats much stronger than your boot strap that goes around the liner of your boot. stops shinbang for good
Dec 22 2009 7:17AM
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THUGwife
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go see a physio or osteotherapist as you might have micro fractures that havent gone away over the summer. no matter what boots you have if your shins are fucked they are gonna hurt when you ski
Dec 22 2009 10:20AM
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mer-man
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ya thats what i was thinking can you really get micro fractures from shin bang?
Dec 22 2009 8:37PM
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foreverwinter
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dude. I have perma bang as well as the nasty bruise on the calf. as a female I have quite large calves (not cankles fuck off) so I find myself having the same problems.
Dec 22 2009 10:03PM
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THUGwife
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yeah man definitely. the buckles on boots when they are done up create hard spots you cant flex past. if you hit these hard enough you can definitely do some damage. when i was out in new zealand my friend was seeing a physio who gave him stretches to do(like on your knees with your feet pointing out as much as possible directly behind you), told him to ice them a lot and when he went in he had some weird laser thing done on them
Dec 22 2009 10:06PM
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aquinn
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cod liver oil
Dec 22 2009 10:20PM
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mer-man
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fo real? i give that stuff to my dog think itl help?
Dec 22 2009 10:26PM
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ChocolatyDrizzle
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I have perma bang going on right now too. Two runs at Alta and I'm done.  I injured my shins last year after landing in an ice hole, never been the same since, until now.

This is what I did:

Got softer boots: Full Tilt Hot Dogger with 6 tongue, I am 6'4" 210 Lbs.
Booster Straps, make sure there is no room between your shin and liner.
Put cork footbeds underneath my liner just in the heal area to lift my heal up and put the pressure in a different area.  you will need to play around with this and maybe even grind out a little of the heel cup to get a proper fit. 
Ice everyday after skiing, with a massage afterwards. 
Hot shower, lather on the Bengay, and STRETCH!  Stretching has helped so much, not only with the bang but also preventing other injuries. 
I also have some Manoovs coming, heard they help.

Most shin bang is caused by tearing or straining the anterior tibial muscle, which happens when you land hard backseat, or into an ice hole.  Just like any torn muscle, it takes a long time to heal and can easily be re-torn.  You need to be careful until it is fully healed.  However, I believe what we suffer from is a combination of torn muscle and bruised soft tissue and bruised bone.  The outer layer of bone called periosteum can be damaged and broken (i.e. shin splints).  Excessive banging against hard boots can cause this.  Just because there is no visible hematoma, does not mean that there is no bruise.  Our soft tissue is battered and beat. 

This has cured it for now, but I already feel it coming back.  Hopefully the shintronics help.  I ski everyday so my shins get no rest.  I spend 1 to 2 hours after skiing preventing bang from coming back because I make my living skiing and am sick of being in pain all day.

Hope this helps.
Dec 23 2009 12:21AM
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Roy
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I know lots of people said it, but try not to ski and land back seat as much! And don't take that the wrong way. No matter how good you are if your landing forward off things sometimes your gonna be off balance and land backseat no biggie! Like I've been doing 3's forever but once and awhile I take off a little weird or something and bang backseat landing.  

I used to get such bad shin bang, but now I try to do tricks were I land switch more often. Just think if you can land switch on half the things you do during the day. It makes a big difference.

Oh and if your thinking of getting a softer flex, that might not solve your problem. You'll still get shin bang you just won't feel it as much as the softer flex won't push on your shins as much making it not feel as bad. And if your at all hitting bigger jumps or considering it, I've found that if you do case or go deep, the softer boot won't support your ankle very well and you could fractor it (which is what happend to me last season when I switched to a softer boot for park).

Dec 23 2009 1:10AM
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aquinn
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cod liver oil helps build the connections between muscle and bone, I use it to fix shin splints. I think shin bang is similar to that so it is worth a try, I personally will probably try it this year becasue I can't afford better boots.
Dec 23 2009 8:31AM
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sgv
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I'm the inventor of the Shintronic (www.shintronic.com). It is not only about preventing 'shin bang' (which they do almost 100%), but you will enjoy the power. grip and control effects as well. Not happy, just reply! We made some changes by leaving the outer padding away this season (better fit, less volume, less pressure) and we provide an optional elastric strap preventing sliding up. If you have any specific questions, do not hesistate to ask via info@manoove.com . We receive very positive reactions from the Park etc.
Feb 8 2010 4:27PM
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