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Try the Burton AK 3L or 2L bib...I think there is an idiom and hover series...and maybe some other ones too. These are all goretex and come in green/white/black. Cloudveil makes a bib too called the Koven I think, but it's black. It's made of Cloudveils custom material, but it's ust as good as gore-tex or eVent. Also check out Trew gear up in Oregon...www.trewgear.com...a little pricy but I've seen the Trewth bib in person and its sicker than any bib out there. Also, 20k waterproofing is basically the same as gore-tex or eVent in terms of waterproofness, just not breathability necessarily.