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What a stupid rule.

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DFull15
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I'm in the ski club at our school and today one of the managers of the mountain we go to came in. She talked about rules and safety and blah blah blah. All that crap. Then she told us if we do any flips, then we get kicked out and get our passes taken away... Wait... What?? Yeah she fucken said that. If your heels go over your head, you're out of there. Apparently it's a law in Pennsylvania that you aren't allowed to do any aerial flips. This is the most beat rule I've heard. And the consequences are outrageously gay.
Dec 16 2009 10:31PM
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alpineplease
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better work on your flatspins
Dec 16 2009 10:32PM
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pghjibber
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i dont think its a law, more like an insurance requirement so they can pay a more desirable rate
Dec 16 2009 10:33PM
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DFull15
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I dont know. The fat ass who came here said it's a law. Since when are there skiing laws
Dec 16 2009 10:33PM
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leeum.
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wow what the fuck. they really need to act like they do in france: if youre crazy enough to do it, then if you get injured its ur fault.
Dec 16 2009 10:35PM
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BWalmer
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My mountain has a rule that Backflips and Frontflips aren't allowed, everything else goes...yes, that includes Rodeos, Corks, Mistys, Flatpspins, Bios, Lincolns, Underflips, and Overflips - but no Backies or Fronts (the two easiest ones), I thought it was kinda funny, but hey at least we can do most inverts.
Dec 16 2009 10:37PM
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afed
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how can some one tell you you cant do something that cant affect any other person but you. if it was harming others it would be differnt but its not so people should just let people do what they want to do.
Dec 16 2009 10:38PM
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8088
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at my mountain no flips are allowed either but the ski patrol only comes in the park when someone gets hurt you we throw them anyway
Dec 16 2009 10:41PM
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PeterWojnar
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I'm so glad I don't live in penn... even if I can't do any of the above maneuvers.
Dec 16 2009 10:41PM
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DFull15
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Wow flashkick haha. That's pretty funny that they let you do all that but not backs or fronts. I'm afraid to try anything related to a flip. Not because of fear of being hurt, but fear of getting my pass taken.

And you're right afed. It's not like I'm putting anyone else in danger.
Dec 16 2009 10:42PM
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LAME.
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maybe if you daffy your backs real well you wont break the rules.
Dec 16 2009 10:45PM
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T_orageskiier
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my mountain is the same
Dec 16 2009 10:46PM
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leeum.
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same. and i have a pass so i cant risk it being pulled. shits expensive.
Dec 16 2009 10:52PM
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BWalmer
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Haha, yeah, I thought it was funny. I found this out when someone threw a backie off a jump that was wearing similar outerwear to me and ski patrol caught up to me and asked if I did it and I said no, then I felt the need to ask "what is considered to be an invert" and he replied "nothing with your feet above your head", but then the ski patroller right next to him said "well, basically no Backflips or Frontflips, everything else is cool".

I still do fronts off rollers and stuff, but I make sure no patrol is around first - it's harder with backs because the lift goes right by all the jumps that are backflipable and you can't really tell who's on the lift cause it's not just patrol that needs to catch you, basically any employee can call up patrol and tell them to get you and you can't always tell whose working and who isn't.

While it's true that you aren't putting anyone else in danger, it still has to do with "public safety" (seat belt laws are the same thing basically - you're not hurting anyone but yourself, but you still are part of the public). Plus, it's all about liability, you can get really hurt doing inverts and lawsuits can be huge money, if they don't allow them then they have less of a chance of someone get permanently injured. Plus, it keeps insurance costs down if you disallow inverts.
Dec 16 2009 10:54PM
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*simba*
Posts: 9125 - Karma: 512
Are we talking about Blue Mt? Because I know it's bull shit, they bought an airbag that cost $30,000 and they won't allow inverts on it! And obviously inverts are legal in PA because Boulder allows them.
Dec 16 2009 10:54PM
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matt.rad
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I live in PA and I can do flips at my mountain, so it's not a state rule or anything.
Dec 16 2009 10:55PM
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Dan-Man
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my youth hill (sunlight) was like that, they had it posted on the lift towers "NO inverted aerials"  wasn't enforced though..
Dec 16 2009 10:59PM
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jdilla
Posts: 706 - Karma: 41
Pretty much every mountain in PA more or less has a rule written somewhere that says "no inverted aerials", go to big boulder.
Dec 16 2009 11:02PM
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nicknack_55
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hahahaha nice
Dec 16 2009 11:06PM
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garygohard
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at a mountain near my home town it says no nverts

but one person just runs shit and does them a lot

and if anyone else does them they get there pass puled

Dec 16 2009 11:10PM
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mynilla
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At most mountains "inverted tricks are not recommended"
Dec 16 2009 11:13PM
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Billiards.
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that sucks because backflips are the illist
Dec 16 2009 11:15PM
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pomme-de-terre
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i still dont understand how they can control what you do off jumps...

as soon as your skis leave the lip of the jump, you are in the air, and therefore, not on the mountain anymore. if you arent on the mountains property, then how could they possibly persecute you?

unless they called the FAA or something.



jokes.
Dec 16 2009 11:15PM
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Cincher
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only one place has this silly rule for me: Holiday Mountain. It's because of this, and the fact that last year they basically wrecked the only jump they had into nothing halfway through the season that I stay clear of it.
Dec 16 2009 11:17PM
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pghjibber
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yeah this is how they treated inverted at the uscsa collegiate national championships last year in winter park

in all honesty this rule is legit

it keeps the gapers from trying a backflip or fronty and definitely lessens the chance of them trying any inverts if u think about it

they prob dont even know you can move ur body in any other way like the aforementioned moves


Dec 16 2009 11:24PM
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jdilla
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I don't know anybody else, but I don't think many gapers would throw flips off of any sizable jump...I feel like the only ones that rule would affect would be the people actually capable of landing flips
Dec 16 2009 11:34PM
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Gameboy
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I have the same rule at my mountain, but they don't seem to care about it. They say we can't do flips but in their TV ad, they show like two people doing backflips..
Dec 16 2009 11:40PM
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.JPolster
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My mountain has a no invert at all rule. And they will cut passes.
Dec 16 2009 11:47PM
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Forkstealer
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Better work on those off axis backflips.

"Nooooooooo mister patrol man, that was just a really corked 3"

Dec 16 2009 11:50PM
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Tinga
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i think its the same rules for ussa thing too. or whatever the acronym is. had a friend who did 3 rodeo 7s in his slopestyle run and it was his big air trick too for like a month and he got good scores on everything then they almost dq'ed him from competition because he did a front flip on the last jump after falling on the first hit.
Dec 17 2009 12:13AM
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farmskier
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It's a pretty standard rule at any resort that doesn't have (or more likely can't afford) the proper insurance to allow inverts.  I'm not entirely sure how it works as far as from a legal standpoint, my understanding is that it's a resort rule not a law, but Pennsylvania could be completely different.

Sure it sucks, but it only takes one asshole to fuck himself up and RUIN everyones fun at one resort (Does the RCR resort incident ring a bell?).  Sure places like Keystone, Breck, Whistler, etc...  have this insurance and let if fly because the parks are properly maintained, patrolled, and the level of talent is there, your average gaper isn't going to jump into the Breck park and try backflips on one of their jumps.  Resorts in PA... the vibe, jumps, and bascially everything about the places there are completely different and they know it, so why let it happen?  It would definitely correlate to more injuries in the long run if they let it happen.

It's not a "stupid" rule.  Sure it's lame, weak, or one of many other adjectives you could use to describe it as less than desirable,  but definitely not stupid  It makes sense to anyone who has a brain..  But wouldn't you be more pissed because your mountain went out of business because if frivilous lawsuits when some fuckstick breaks his neck trying a flip?

NS has become even more increasingly ignorant on how the way the industry works recently, it's becoming almost annoying to come on here and read some of this crap.  Ya, sure it sucks, but unfortunately life isn't always going to be fair and allow you kids to do whatever the fuck you want.  Figuring that out sooner rather than later is the biggest life lesson you can hope to learn. 

And saying it "only affects you" if you get hurt is soooo incredibly IGNORANT!  What about your parents, the ski patrol, friends, and others who want to hit the park but it's closed because you're hurt.   Or have to now help you wipe your ass because you broke your neck trying a flip and can no longer walk?  It MOST CERTAINLY affects others.  Skiing isn't a team sport, but if you fuck yourself up good trying flips, it changes a lot of lives other than just yours.  Please understand that.

I can't believe the ignorance coming from that statement.  I've seen a few head injuries in my life and have come to understand this rule and respect the mountains that wish to enforce it.  Please grow the fuck up and step outside of your ignorant "let me do what I want" mentality for one second.  If you want to try one, go to a mountain that lets it fly and have fun.  Hate me, give me some shitt karma, but once you grow up and see a few injuries up front, you're tone will change.  I guarantee you.
Dec 17 2009 12:26AM
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gnarles.
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better work on corks and flats
Dec 17 2009 12:31AM
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srwinnsuco
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back flip right onto that bitches head rules suck!
Dec 17 2009 12:32AM
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sip166
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say u did it by accident and act really gaper about it haha
Dec 17 2009 12:50AM
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smooticus
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Dont think so, they cant send you to jail can they
Dec 17 2009 12:53AM
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gkenworthy
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Yeah I've definitely heard of that rule being enforced at certain resorts - seems shitty. It sucks to work on corks and rodeos and other non inverted tricks because the people in charge don't know the difference and would probably assume the worst. Plus if you did mess up and go upside down then you'd have to deal with that bogus... Basically my advice is to move to Colorado!
Dec 17 2009 1:05AM
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Black-Bandanna
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Definitely not a PA rule... Come to CBK or Boulder and flip all you want, my dude.
Dec 17 2009 1:17AM
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KevinK.
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exactly
Dec 17 2009 1:26AM
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oreopancake.
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There can be a law where you don't get sent to jail for breaking it..

But yeah, there is now way that is a state law.
Dec 17 2009 1:28AM
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BackRoad
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^ yeah ever had a parking ticket?

anyways my mountain (Cannon) used to have a no inverts sign until one day maybe 4 when someone thew a backie in front of a patroller and the patroller just took down the sign

Dec 17 2009 2:28AM
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Kotke
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Yea i live in alberta and thats a rule at my hill too. Kids do them all the time tho and i've never seen it enforced at all.
Dec 17 2009 2:47AM
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TOAST.
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If your heels go above your head and somone yells at you just say you were trying to do somthing different but threw it wrong.
Dec 17 2009 7:34AM
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Static
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Dec 17 2009 7:40AM
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lilwhiz165
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haha
Dec 17 2009 7:48AM
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Armanzoid
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Rule zero is awesome.


There's a law against inverts in Penn? I don't think Brogan or Sean J. got the memo.
Dec 17 2009 7:50AM
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mikeisener
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im in nova scotia and the same rule applys. we must also be able to pull rodeos and all that because thats all dave pulls at the competitions and emberly pulls one switch back and hes gone. i did here from my coach that freestyle ski nova scotia offers a course you can take to me invert legal but you have to do a lot of trampoline and water ramp sessions
Dec 17 2009 7:55AM
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urbanjib
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thank you
Dec 17 2009 8:35AM
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B.Lyfe
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last year i went to BB/JF and threw rodeos and no one said a thing even ski patrol. I was wearing a helmet if that changes anything. Yay for mt snow not giving a PHUCK about what I do

-B
Dec 17 2009 9:34AM
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Pee_and_Ski
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fuck it and flip anyways,
Dec 17 2009 10:28AM
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steveys
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You are not a child, are you?  Most of the posters here are :(
Dec 17 2009 11:02AM
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steveys
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Yes, THEY ABSOLUTELY CAN!  They either own the land, or lease the land, and if it is forest service land, their lease gives them the right to do so.   It is like some people have cabins on forest service land.  Do you think you can break into their cabin and steal all their stuff?
Dec 17 2009 11:05AM
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