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What would happen if Pinochio said his nose would grow?

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DasGoatenshafter
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give me your thoughts, NS. It stumped me.

Dec 16 2009 3:03PM
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aquinn
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oh snap
Dec 16 2009 3:04PM
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Ski.Ballet
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Catch-22. There is no right answer.
Dec 16 2009 3:04PM
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lilwhiz165
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well he's not lying so nothing would happen. . .
Dec 16 2009 3:05PM
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ski@jaypeak2
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It would not grow.  He isnt lying.  It only grows when he lies, this statement is truth
Dec 16 2009 3:05PM
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DasGoatenshafter
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it would be a lie too though because he said it would grow, and then it wouldnt cuz its not a lie, but by not growing it would become a lie.
Dec 16 2009 3:09PM
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1337
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ITS A CATCH-22
Dec 16 2009 3:10PM
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daringharry9
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FUUUUUUUUUU
Dec 16 2009 3:10PM
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fountain.
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oh the great ideas you get while high...
Dec 16 2009 3:11PM
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k-rob
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probably some universe-ending cataclysmic event.
Dec 16 2009 3:16PM
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BlackieChan
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he could just say that if he told a lie his nose would grow, instead of just saying "yo dawg my nose grows" ye dig? since just straight up saying that his nose grows fucks everything over
Dec 16 2009 3:20PM
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lilwhiz165
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it would probably pee in her butt
Dec 16 2009 3:23PM
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nickyp
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If he says it will, and it doesn't, he is lying, so it will grow, but it grows, so he was telling the truth, so it grows, but he was telling the truth, so it doesn't grow, which means he was lying, so it will grow, which means he was acutally telling the truth, so it won't grow, which means he was in fact lying, so it will grow, etc, etc

It will not grow. The system enters a cyclical equilibrium, in which the status quo is the Condorcet winner.

/thread
Dec 16 2009 3:23PM
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timmi
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by not growing, it would become a lie. therefore, because it is a lie, his nose would grow.
Dec 16 2009 3:24PM
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yuck
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he will turn into a real boy

done
Dec 16 2009 3:25PM
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timmi
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wait i didnt think that through at all!
Dec 16 2009 3:26PM
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Tasche
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Fun Fact. The publication of the first chapter of Catch 22 was actually catch-18 and Heller experimented with Catch 44 as well.
Dec 16 2009 3:28PM
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ski@jaypeak2
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what is his direct quote?  "If he says my nose will grow"  or "my nose grows" he is simply stating that at some point his nose will increase in length.  Which is in fact the truth and not a lie. 

However if he says,"my nose will grow after this statement"  well then we are all fucked

Dec 16 2009 4:13PM
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TGdude
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you beat me to it.  this is exactly it.
Dec 16 2009 4:16PM
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k-rob
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but it could only be true that his nose would grow if he was to lie at a later point in time. so it's only true if he is going to lie later on, otherwise it's a lie and his nose will grow, which again means that he was telling the truth in which case it should not grow. he's trapped.
Dec 16 2009 4:20PM
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Smuffy
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Dec 16 2009 4:23PM
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skithesprings
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this idea came from the high ideas website, and the og question was what would happen if pinochio said "my nose will grow right now!"
Dec 16 2009 4:23PM
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k-rob
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on second thought, i suppose the lie doesn't become a lie until the nose changes, and the truth doesn't become the truth until the nose changes. so his nose would probably grow and shrink repeatedly forever, instead of pre-determining the results of his statement and ending the universe in a cataclysmic event.
Dec 16 2009 4:23PM
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MN_Nice
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It would grow. Since he said "My nose will grow," its too vague of a statement and therefor is considered a lie, making his nose grow. If he said "My nose will grow if I'm lying," then it wouldn't grow.
Dec 16 2009 4:25PM
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ski@jaypeak2
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Now that i think about it more is it more fucked up that his nose may or may not grow?  Or the fact that we have a talking, lying, and growing wooden toy?
Dec 16 2009 4:29PM
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k-rob
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i suppose we have the technology to build a pinocchio, perhaps not with a 'growing' nose, or a biological brain, but with an extendable nose and an artificial mind. so i think the nose question is more fucked up than Pinocchio himself.
Dec 16 2009 4:39PM
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no_steeze
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but it would be a false statement, not a lie, because he wouldn't know for sure that it wouldn't grow

if it was the second time he tried it, then it would be a lie, and therefore it would be a catch-22
Dec 16 2009 4:40PM
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Afeld
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he would become enlightened and be able to solve world problems. Like the cure to cancer and how to divide by zero
Dec 16 2009 4:40PM
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UNREAL
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Dec 16 2009 4:43PM
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GORlLLA
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Nuclear Holocaust
Dec 16 2009 4:51PM
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Brenone
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his asshole would explode
Dec 16 2009 5:02PM
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superpoluha
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its not catch-22, because either of the answers does not have the same outcome

if he said his nose would or would not grow, nothing would happen, meaning his nose would not grow, because he is simply speculating, not lying

boom



Dec 16 2009 5:08PM
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Tinga
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is he in real boy form?

because most real boy's noses don't grow
Dec 16 2009 5:08PM
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k-rob
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if he says my nose WILL grow then he isn't speculating, he's making a statement.

you turd.
Dec 16 2009 5:11PM
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Sufferboy
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eh, i like streetlight better
Dec 16 2009 5:13PM
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1337
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so true /thread
Dec 16 2009 5:17PM
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Black-Bandanna
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What a mindfuck!
Dec 16 2009 5:18PM
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superpoluha
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lie1  [lahy] Click for larger image Show IPA noun, verb, lied, ly⋅ing.
–noun1.a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood.


if yo want to get technical
Dec 16 2009 5:18PM
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soulskier
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what is he is making a prediction?
then he's just wrong, not lying
therefor no nose growth
Dec 16 2009 5:21PM
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T-Holt
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Would he be able to touch the vertical asymptote?
Dec 16 2009 5:23PM
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k-rob
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yup.
Dec 16 2009 5:26PM
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landonn
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yeah but then he would be lying if his nose didnt grow,
Dec 16 2009 5:29PM
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