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Camcorder from 1000-3000$ ?

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Sigdawg.
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Just wondering whats hot on the semi-pro or pro level
Dec 16 2009 9:07AM
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KarmaInitiative
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if your droppin that kinda money, you should already know
Dec 16 2009 9:12AM
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Sigdawg.
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Yea, I allready got a cam. but i can say it more clear: Does someone have any experiences?
Dec 16 2009 9:56AM
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dave44
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in that price range... new FX7, used FX1, DVX100B, VX2000
Dec 16 2009 10:10AM
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*Fujative*
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Wait... why wouldn't he want HD..........
Dec 16 2009 11:04AM
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eheath
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hmc40, hmc150, xha1

lots of prosumer cams in that range.
Dec 16 2009 11:36AM
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CS_Films
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In that range there are tons of cameras. Give us a better idea on price and what you would like in a camera.
Dec 16 2009 11:55AM
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ReedSkis~
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I have the HMC40, haven't really filmed much with it yet, but I really like filming in avchd.

The picture quality is really good and it has a good variety of framerates and manual controls.
Dec 16 2009 12:36PM
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T.L.
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do you have any footage on snow from it yet?
Dec 16 2009 12:48PM
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ReedSkis~
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Nope not yet :(

In two weeks i should have my first edit of the year, I'll post it up when im done
Dec 16 2009 12:55PM
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ILoveOhio
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Your price range varies $2000...........that's a big jump from $1000-$3000.

How much experience do you have behind a camera?

What exactly will you be using it for?

What's your final output?

Do you have a beast computer?
Dec 16 2009 3:07PM
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JStrathern
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what camera is that
Dec 16 2009 3:36PM
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*Nickdel*
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Killington from Nick Del Negro on Vimeo.



This is with an hcm40. im not the best at editing so dont hate
Dec 16 2009 3:47PM
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Alias_
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perfect example of someone who spent a lot of money on a camera they do not know how to use to its full potential.

no hate.
Dec 16 2009 4:00PM
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eheath
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It was also foggy and couldy. The hmc40 is a perfect camera to toss on auto and film your friends, imo.
Dec 16 2009 4:05PM
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thegoat
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honestly?

7D, 17-40mm, mic, and a steady cam rig.
Dec 16 2009 4:23PM
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thegoat
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7D -$1700
17-40mm $700
steady cam w/ plates - $400 (this is a guess, you could do more or less probably)
mic - < $300

just over $3000.

Dec 16 2009 4:26PM
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frenchsteeze
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wait... are you serious?
Dec 16 2009 4:29PM
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eheath
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That's like buying the very first HD camera that came out when HD cameras were first produced. I'm gonna wait at least 5 more years before i even think about buying a dslr HD camera.



And to the guy about the hmc40, yeah, my budddy has the dvc30 (same thing basically just SD and tapes) and its the perfect camera to tweak scene files, throw everything on auto (exposure, focus, etc) and follow your friends through the park and get a decent video from it.
Dec 16 2009 4:47PM
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thegoat
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meh, look at the rate tech, is moving now vs. then.
the first ones came out a year ago (5D mk II, D90, D5000, whatever the canon rebel was).
the 7D is doing just fine.
Will there be a way better version a year from now?  Of course there will be. But then there will be an even better version 2 years from now.  You can't keep up.
I would take the 7D against many of the cameras that are being tossed up in this thread.
Dec 16 2009 4:50PM
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eheath
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It's all personally preference, id prefer not to deal with detachable lenses right now and sacrifice DOF shots. Now, you may want that shallow DOF but right now with what im doing, not too worried about it. If i had a dslr id be running a pretty high aperture anyways so that i wouldnt have to worry about focusing (as much) so whats the point ya know? Its all about what you want, nothing to do with which is "better".
Dec 16 2009 4:59PM
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aoe
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So true. Both have their place. A Video DSLR like the 7D is very appropriate for setting up on a tripod, focusing your shot and leaving it. Nice shallow DOF shots and artsy stuff. 24p and what not. And low light obviously

Not the type of cam you want to be doing follow shots with though or any really fast motion or other tricky shots. Too much of a problem with rolliing shutter and jello for action sports.
Dec 16 2009 5:10PM
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.jw
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thats SO eheath of you eheath
Dec 16 2009 5:48PM
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*Nickdel*
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fuck you
Dec 16 2009 6:10PM
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ReedSkis~
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Nick, I thought your edit was pretty good, although the quality of the footage did not seem as clear as the little footage that i have recently filmed on my hmc40... It may very well be because of all the fog.

Just curious, what frame rates and shutter speeds were you filming at?
Dec 16 2009 7:10PM
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*Nickdel*
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1080/60i
Dec 16 2009 7:13PM
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family_vacation
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here is some from mine.

HV30-First Shots from AbeK on Vimeo.



Buster's Summer Edit from AbeK on Vimeo.


Dec 16 2009 7:30PM
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Trent_Palmer
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For sure! Besides doing new and challenging shooting techniques is played, in fact so is the whole "good production value" thing. So fuck it, aim and push the red button and call it a day. "Its a style choice" not to be confused with laziness or lack of talent
Dec 16 2009 7:30PM
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.jw
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haha, yes. im glad im not the only one.

toss on auto and film your friends&
follow cam until you find yourself on your side on the deck&
thuuuuuuuuuuggg music&
refusing to take the time to be creative&
telling everyone else their videos suck&

...im spent
Dec 16 2009 7:44PM
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eheath
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Why the fuck are you shooting interlaced onto solid state!?!? Shoot 1080p30 if you want 1080 and 720p30p or 60p for the love of god.


As for people hating on kids throwing cameras on auto and filming their friends, maybe they don't care? maybe they just wanna shot the day and have fun and watch themselves later? You don't have to be creative and artsy with shit all the time, if ever if you even want to. Also, im not sure if youre trying to hate on me, but once again why does it matter? If the kid wants to be able to hand off the camera and have everyone get filmed, then there is nothing wrong with the hmc40 on all auto, its just like everyone did with gl2s and vx2000s back when they were 2000 bucks.
Dec 16 2009 7:53PM
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*Nickdel*
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Im kind of a noob on the camera scene and wasn't sure what to film in. Thats why i had in 1080/60i. But thanks for the advice.
Dec 16 2009 8:01PM
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eheath
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Yeah, please, interlaced is for tapes, shoot 1080p30p or 720p30 or 60 or try 24 if you wannna get filmy.
Dec 16 2009 8:13PM
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*Nickdel*
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i tried 24p but it wont let me upload it to imovie.
Dec 16 2009 8:28PM
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Trent_Palmer
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Kinda a bold statement, I can tell you that there is not a single person on newschoolers that knows how to use their camera to its full potential. Myself included. That doesnt mean they shouldn't be able to use a decent camera. Thats like telling someone who skis that they cant learn on good skis because they wont use them to their full potential...
Dec 16 2009 8:30PM
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ReedSkis~
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yea both iMovie and Final Cut Express don't support 24p yet

If I were you I'd shoot in 720p30, imo 1080p30 is not necessary if your shooting primarily for the web...

Good luck
Dec 16 2009 8:36PM
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thegoat
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there is a handful or less of people that I would say come very close.
Dec 16 2009 10:01PM
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Jwenz
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i could think of one person who knows whats up as far as cameras go.....well maybe two or three

definitely not me ;)
Dec 16 2009 10:20PM
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dergblerp
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Truth.  I will probably sell XHA1 at some point to upgrade, but I'm sure I'll hang on to my HV20 for a long time.
Dec 16 2009 10:31PM
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grown-ninja
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wasnt really feeling avchd untill i started to work with fcp, but my opinions changed now for sure
Dec 17 2009 2:08AM
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GFProd.
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GFP Skate 2009 preview from Gone Fishing Productions on Vimeo.

Some of my hv30 Footage just to give you an idea


Dec 17 2009 7:21PM
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eastover
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if your willing to spend like 200 bucks more you should go with a sony fx1000.
Dec 17 2009 9:45PM
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Sigdawg.
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Dec 20 2009 12:15PM
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