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Re: Climate Change email hacking thing

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OhMyBosh
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figured i might as well post something to help explain the whole situation.

please watch both of these videos if you are one of those people who believe those emails = global conspiracy to make up climate change.





Dec 11 2009 1:34PM
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OhMyBosh
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that is a joke right?

climate change =/= warmer temperatures everywhere on the planet every year forever. watch the videos dipshit.
Dec 11 2009 1:40PM
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StevenSegal
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Human caused global warming is such shotty science it's not even funny. It's mostly media hype and an economical move toward cap and trade.
Dec 11 2009 1:42PM
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Delphi
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Some of the experts at Copenhagen have been saying it's bullshit to talk about worldwide restrictions when the numbers have been so fudged up.
Dec 11 2009 1:43PM
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Joshua.
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my threads for when i have 15 minutes to watch something pointless....
Dec 11 2009 1:46PM
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NW_Rider
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The second video was just some 17 year old kid talking, probably for some high school government class.
Dec 11 2009 2:04PM
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skiierman
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people are so fucking dumb. on both ends. just another example with this here thread, and those videos.
Dec 11 2009 2:56PM
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Delphi
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Shoddy, not shotty. god damn grammar skills on this website are atrocious. And the data is shoddy, why else would you have a bunch of "climatologists" scrambling to delete emails and evade Englands FOIA, for fun?
Dec 11 2009 3:09PM
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OhMyBosh
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for fucks sake it doesnt matter who is speaking in the video. it clearly shows that the quotes have been taken out of context, along with how skewed the information as been from the media in responding to this situation...
thats all that matters.
Dec 11 2009 3:13PM
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Tasche
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stop.
Dec 11 2009 3:15PM
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Delphi
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hammertime
Dec 11 2009 3:17PM
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Tinga
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the mistake you just quoted was not a grammatical error.
Dec 11 2009 3:28PM
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Delphi
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despite what you may think, spelling is indeed a huge part of grammar, trust me, I've talked extensively on the subject with a professor of mine who is a real strict grammarian. I tried to tell her that the "no prepositions at the end of a sentence" rule is outdated and arbitrary, she got pissed and continues to start grammar related debates with me.
Dec 11 2009 3:38PM
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Delphi
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no one wants to read more shit about global warming because people like you foist this shit on us everytime you get butthurt over the fact that not everyone believes in anthropogenic global warming, get over it. It doesn't change that fact that a group of scientists at the premier climate research center in the world had to fiddle with data to support their opinions. If you have to back up your science with lies, it isn't science at all.
Dec 11 2009 3:40PM
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Tasche
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what you are saying is not true. A little research and less politics will make you see that all the data supports a rise in global temperatures. What degree are you backing up your hypothesis with? Your English degree. this is not a grammar problem.
Dec 11 2009 3:43PM
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Delphi
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I'm not an english major, I just have to know that shit to survive writing history papers. And I agree that we need to look past politics and ensure that politics don't influence people to cover up data that goes against your warming trend.
Dec 11 2009 3:52PM
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Tasche
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agreed, look past politics, to scientist, who overwhelmingly agree that a warming trend is happening caused by human involvement. I have actually had numerous classes discussing climatology and a minor in geology at a very conservative school. The only question left up for debate is how long and to what extent.
Dec 11 2009 3:56PM
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theabortionator
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But it isn't global warming anymore. It's just climate change. So global climate change could be the cause for every inch of snow. And if you don't get snow for a month, that could also be cause of global climate change.

Now anything that happens with the weather falls under that.

So retarded. I'm all about the environment, but these people don't really give a shit about that. Unfortunately it's funneling away money and peoples attention from honest environmental efforts
Dec 11 2009 3:57PM
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Tasche
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agreed, as I have said in the past, there are no drawbacks to investing in renewable clean energy, there could be dire consequences if we do not. /debate
Dec 11 2009 4:00PM
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antwone
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noobs are funny  who cares if you are a believer
Dec 11 2009 4:02PM
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OhMyBosh
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you know whats fun? ignoring all the information that doesnt agree with your opinion.


watch the videos.
Dec 11 2009 4:08PM
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Slinger1x1
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i dont understand why everyone is fighting...
we all all skiers, correct? we want the most snow we can get, correct? we aren't getting nearly as much snow as we used to, right?

OBVIOUSLY THERE IS A FUCKING PROBLEM.

whether its man made or not, something is happening. and if its not exactly man made, im sure spewing out tons and tons of CO2 isn't helping.

and i agree that its fucking expensive for the government to force changes, but if we weren't all so fucking lazy (myself included), we wouldn't need the government and we would be a little more proactive about fixing it ourselves.
Dec 11 2009 4:15PM
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theabortionator
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Co2 isn't pollution. The toxic waste being dumped in the ocean all the time is
Dec 11 2009 4:17PM
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antwone
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snow isnt a proof of anything but doesnt mean that i dont agree with your opinions

less snow not equal to climate change
Dec 11 2009 4:18PM
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skier_boy26
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Come on, the red herring in all of this is that for years everybody was bleeding chunks about "global warming" but then people didn't realize what the fuck they were talking about, thus the new alarmist term "climate change" emerged to keep the fight alive.
Dec 11 2009 4:19PM
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Slinger1x1
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did say it was pollution.
CO2 traps heat, and its "spewed" our frmo our cars and factories.

im not a huge like environmentalist drive-a-hybrid kinda guy, but i still think a little change won't hurt anyone
Dec 11 2009 4:21PM
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Tasche
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climate change is global warming. The change the name of the movement so stupid people wouldn't go outside and say "Oh its cold, global warming is fucking dumb."
Dec 11 2009 4:22PM
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Delphi
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not only is it expensive, it will result in the large scale government encroachment on our rights as citizens.
Dec 11 2009 4:23PM
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Slinger1x1
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its not proof, but it does support the whole climate change idea

here in southern NY, we used to have snow storms that were measured in feet, and usually we had constant snow on the ground when i was little
now, i can't remember the last time we had a winter that had more days with snow on the ground than no snow.
and in the past, the skiing was better. now it seems that mountains have trouble making it through the season. for the past two years, it has rained every time i go skiing.
Dec 11 2009 4:24PM
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antwone
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transportation is only 15 % of the co2 emitted.
Dec 11 2009 4:27PM
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Slinger1x1
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I wish we could multiquote


well thats pretty weird isnt it? somethings changing if whistler normally gets rapped, but now its beating baker of all places? they set the record for snowfall in 1999, right? the number has not been that high since... and since then this "global warming fad" has come about.


you guys are looking to far into this. all im saying is that where i live, we have had a lot less snow then we used to, and the temperature has obviously changed where i live. and i dont like it... i want to ski more
Dec 11 2009 4:30PM
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Delphi
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most of it is released through agriculture, deforestation, and that natural processes of the earth if I'm not mistaken. The tundra is choc FULL of methane.
Dec 11 2009 4:30PM
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Tasche
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right-o. Its actually referred to gas hydrates. Its basically a crystal structure that forms around methane particles. It forms at very low temperatures and high pressures like the bottom of the sea or in certain high pressure oil and gas pipelines.

It is estimated that energy held in gas hydrates is equal to 5 times that of the energy held in all the conventional oil and gas plays combined. I saw some of this stuff in a pipeline one time. You can literally lite a piece of ice on fire, pretty crazy.

Anyway with a slight change in global temperatures a good portion of this stored methane could devolve and find its way into the atmosphere. This would create an exponential warming trend that would take us back to the Jurassic style climate.
Dec 11 2009 4:36PM
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Slinger1x1
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do you even know what a red herring is?
Dec 11 2009 4:37PM
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daringharry9
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You get that from wikipedia?

Dec 11 2009 4:37PM
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theabortionator
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Remember the little ice age? In europe there were carnivals on the frozen rivers and canals. They don't freeze like that any more.

The climate is always changing. You can't expect it to just stay the same. Weather goes in cycles too.

Saying that these shifts in climate prove global warming cooling or whatever is insane. Look at different time periods in different places around the world. You'll see changes in climate long before the industrial revolution. If you expect the climate to stay the same all the time, then you really need to look at the past.
Dec 11 2009 4:38PM
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Proletariat.
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i agree 100% with what you say. I just hate when people say that OMG GLOBAL WARMING IS GOING TO MELT THE ICE CAPS AND WE WILL BE FUCKED!!!!! and other sorts of catastrophic scenarios. Shifts in temperature are natural to earth in different regions but the whole turning into Florida is bullshit.
Dec 11 2009 4:42PM
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Delphi
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The Thames completely froze over for the first time in human history. The LIA may have been nominally responsible for tipping off the explosion of overseas exploration and colonization of the 15 and 1600s as well. Wreaked havoc on europe's agriculture.
Dec 11 2009 4:44PM
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daringharry9
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oh oh tell me more
my big big brother goes to a university.
what is a university
what do you do there
my brother is a bad boy. is it for bad people?
my brother is stupid are thye going to put him to sleep there?
but ilove my bother why would they do that?
i don't think ilike a university, they sound weird and creepy

whats a university?
Dec 11 2009 4:46PM
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Delphi
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aren't you due for another banishment?
Dec 11 2009 4:47PM
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Delphi
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you are the only one who got the rabies vaccine.
Dec 11 2009 4:49PM
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Delphi
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no, not at all. It's not a fact at this point, and it's damn ignant to say it is. There are plenty of educated people with PhD's in the concentration that don't believe anthropogenic global climate change is a fact, but I guess they are ignorant.
Dec 11 2009 4:55PM
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Delphi
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this is such an overstatement it would be funny if it wasn't indicative of the cheap scare tactics and overdramatization the global warming religion uses on a large scale to scare the shit out of people.
Dec 11 2009 5:03PM
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Delphi
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everyone is in someone's pocket, you need to realize that your precious climatologists are corporate and government lapdogs just like the skeptics are.
Dec 11 2009 5:05PM
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NW_Rider
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hmmm, I got 46.
Dec 11 2009 5:12PM
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Delphi
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My psychology teacher told me two years ago that the answer, when in doubt, is always C, so you are both wrong.

On a serious note, he did say that if you are ever questioning an answer on a multiple choice question, there's a good chance it's C because for some reason a large percentage of answers on multichoice tests are C.
Dec 11 2009 5:15PM
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Slinger1x1
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im pretty positive you have a very small amoutn of knowledge of the topic of global warming

what is this Florida bullshit that you speak of? Do you know why people are concerned about the melting of the ice caps?
Dec 11 2009 5:18PM
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Delphi
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atlantic conveyor belt, duh! less salty and less dense water makes it so that cold water doesn't sink and the atlantic conveyor shuts down, throwing the northern hemisphere into a fucking mini ice age. People think this is what happened during the little ice age, which was not anthropogenic. that means the ice caps were probably melting in the middle ages-1800. hmmmmmmmmm.....
Dec 11 2009 5:21PM
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Snowgoner
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really?  i'm in massachusetts and last year was the best ski season, weather-wise, in many years. 

i think it's ridiculous when people analyze every spur of warmth as global warming.  this is all extremely over hyped.  some of the warmest winters in years occurred during the 60s.  mountains are not having trouble making it through the season.  yes, there are occasional thaws.  but do you think that magically these thaws didn't  occurred during the 1800s?  my home mountain made a record amount of money last year.  they had snow from december all the way through early april.  from my experience, your comments are way off.
Dec 11 2009 5:22PM
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theabortionator
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I'm going to take this chance to show why C02 is so bad for the earth. Regular CO2 isn't bad. We breath it out, plants take it in, they give us O2.

The problem we are seeing, is due to the fact that the C02 were seeing today, is clearly laced. Laced CO2 can cause all kinds of things from anxiety to death. Mother earth is at terrible risk
Dec 11 2009 5:32PM
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Snowgoner
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not at all.  it was just showing that my mountain was able to hold a lot of snow last year, because of cold temps.  cold temps and snow=more money...
Dec 11 2009 5:57PM
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