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Dont try acid.

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gbirrd
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Don't. I did it friday its fucked just saying.

Dec 6 2009 9:57PM
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theabortionator
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Are you fucking kidding me? Nobody cares what you "think". Look it up. Lethal dose is well over 12,000 ug. Average dose is 50-150. A heavy dose is 400+.(and that is heavy heavy, like 400 and up your tripping balls)

Do you get it? You would have to drink vials of it for it to kill you, and that still might not. It's really not lethal.

"You guys need to get off your high horse of calling everyone who against doing LSD closed minded. " Are you serious? Nobody is on a high horse here other than you. People are calling you out because you've shown nothing but ignorance on the subject repeatedly, yet your calling people out and posting hate.

"You are abusing a substance to have a good time." Again more ignorance. Use and abuse are completely different things.

Please use your brain. For real.
Dec 7 2009 6:12PM
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Sky.
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my threads...
Dec 7 2009 6:13PM
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Arabian.
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I'm not jumping on your posts because I'm "pro-drug". I'm countering your posts because you based most, if not all of your opinions on disinformation and lies. Like right now, you assume the slippery-slope argument for LSD to needle drugs, which has been proven a falsity, and is by the nature of the argument, a logical fallacy. I'm fine with toning down the pro-drug environment, but replacing it with ignorance is worse in my opinion.

Do your research.

erowid.org is a good place to start.
Dec 7 2009 6:17PM
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T-Holt
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Ok, this is annoying.

I know people who did and currently do drugs, specifically weed, shrooms, and lsd, who really enjoyed it and didn't drop out of school. That kid Joey probably would have failed out of school anyway. So far the only negative thing that has come out of my drug use (weed and shrooms) is the way people tend to look at it. My grades have gone up, my overall mood has gotten better, I'm less stressed, I'm MORE motivated, and my outlook on life is healthier IMO.

For me it annoys me when people blame a drug for their problems. THEY chose to do the drug, THEY are the ones being unmotivated, and THEY are the ones who are failing. The drug isn't doing this for them.

My first experience with shrooms was AMAZING. I went to the park on a beautiful day after eating an eighth and everything was just so beautiful and amazing. I felt at one with the park and I felt sorry for the park because it gets trampled on and used so much, but people still litter and don't respect it.

You know why the gateway drug happens? Because of the PEOPLE, not the drug. I have never had ANY want to try drugs such as heroin and meth. You know what, I also don't drink. I do two drugs which are more harmless than walking around in NYC. And drugs don't amplify an addictive personality, it's the other way around.

And this is also not an entirely ultra pro environment. We have all said that it's not for everyone. None of us have condoned the use of heroin, meth, etc. And none of us condone drug ABUSE.


As to theabortionator's name and icon, I find it humorous. I don't think that people should go out and skewer babies with a coat hanger, but it's still funny. It's the same thing as me finding the picture of all the dead animals spelling out PETA with a bunch of hunters in the background humorous, but that's entirely besides the point, and you don't really need to address that.
Dec 7 2009 6:18PM
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theabortionator
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"I was incorrect when I said a lot of people die from LSD a year, I cant find a figure at all so the number is probably very low." No really? It wasn't like we kepts telling you to look it up. You kept arguing that were on our high horse not listening to you and your wisdom that surpasses all factual reason.

As for the end. There are people who do crazy shit like that any way. And its just s rare as sombody doing it tripping.Fucked up people can do fucked up shit when they get even more fucked up on drugs, that is true. But cases like this are sooooooooooo extremely rare that using them in your argument is retarded.

Many people have killed themselves intentionally when they were drunk and super angry/emotional.

Look at the cases of domestic violence with heavy drinkers. Not saying it's a large percent, but much higher than what your refering to with acid.

And as far as weed? Haven't you seen the commercials? Marijuana kills, smoking it makes you lazy and a waste, white women lust after negroes, and will def make you kill people and yourself from refer madness.


Dec 7 2009 6:18PM
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derbski
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So, even thought this was about MDMA, not LSD, I just watched the whole thing, pretty interesting.
Dec 7 2009 6:20PM
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Tasche
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true, I loose, you guys are right, the more I look into the more I see you are right on the LSD issue. I am just unwilling to sacrifice my grip on reality for a high.

And again I have seen people fuck up their lives. Who knows they could have pulled the same shit sober but some how I doubt it.
Dec 7 2009 6:29PM
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theabortionator
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Then dont try it bro. It's the kind of thing where if you don't feel comfortable with the idea, it's probably not for you. Not a drug for everyone.
Dec 7 2009 6:32PM
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Tasche
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see we have found some common ground.
Dec 7 2009 6:33PM
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ECfreeski3
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see i dont mean to keep arguing but that is way off man. whatever lets agree to disagree
Dec 7 2009 6:43PM
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Arabian.
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But you've taken mushrooms right? You obviously didn't sacrifice your grip on reality from one trip. It's the same with LSD, but a lot less risk (you do know that mushrooms are riskier than LSD right?).

What it comes down to now is just self-control and moderation, which is not something that you can attribute to drug use. Your friends fucked their lives up because they were fucked beforehand and had no business doing drugs in the first place. It's not just some slope where you go, "Oh, I've taken LSD, now i'mma try meth." There is personal responsibility involved. You consciously have to make that choice to get into that world. Hell, I've had friends (and still do) that drop, and I've yet to see coke, let alone meth or heroin. You actively have to seek out that world if you want to get into it.

Guaranteed, if your friends hadn't fallen into drugs, they'd have fallen into some other addictive behavior (maybe not drugs, but working out?).

Dec 7 2009 6:47PM
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jaylib
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awful thread. disrespecting a great and powerful thing.
Dec 7 2009 7:34PM
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Big_Spence
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Lolz.
I was wrecked when I posted that. For whatever reason I thought that applied.
Dec 7 2009 7:49PM
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SSteezle
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it's sounding like your getting angry after replying to this kid over and over again. stop caring so much about other people's opinions and fucking move on with your life


Dec 7 2009 8:01PM
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theabortionator
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Believe me I'm fine. Why does everybody keep posting to me? for real.

It's getting annoying, I don't get angry. I just replied to him to show how ignorant what he was saying was.

Seriously why do people keep posting to me? Move on with your own life and let me be
Dec 7 2009 8:11PM
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Mr.Panda
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It is cause we respond to you and then you respond back.

Plus in text it from time to time comes across like you are whining a little bit is all.
Dec 7 2009 8:14PM
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jason...
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How is it logical to overdose from lsd? It's a psycadelic drug you dumbass.

Your experience with shrooms shows that are a pussy and weak minded. You let yourself fall into a bad trip, that's your fault, not the drugs.

Shrooms and LSD are nothing like meth or heroin. (Common needle drugs, which are actually opposites among themselves.) How you can even say that one leads to the other is completely outrageous. And guess what, you could call any drug a gateway drug. If people did heroin first, it would be called a gateway drug, if people did meth first, it would be called a gateway drug. Get your fucking facts straight before you post in a thread like this thinking you know what you are talking about.

And all this information is coming from first hand experience and through DOING SOME RESEARCH. Moron.

Try and make a post like this on a real drug information site and you will be ripped to shreds. (If anyone is interested in a real drug information site, check out www.bluelight.ru)
Dec 7 2009 8:25PM
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theabortionator
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He posted to me for the first time. Then you were out for me for the first half of this thread, untill and even past when it was clear to all that tasche din't no what he was talking about, You still were supporting him, but you stopped coming after me at least. Tasche ws doing the same thing until the very end of the thread. I kept getting called out and called about everything, by somebody who obviously didn't know anything. I gave people chances to explain themselves, and show me where all the flaws were, and no body ever bothered. Instead just kept to the mindless hating and ignorance. Ignorance can get annoying. Especially because people just drop hate instead of having an intelligent discussion of the facts.

I wasn't really whining, I dont care what it comes across as. Tasche followed me into the thread at first just so he could quote me, and say he hated me and other dumb shit. I told him he obviously knew nothing about the drug and people were trying to have a discussion. there was no need for him to bring his mindless hate and drama in.


As for you, you couldn't even separate yourself from him the whole thread. You went right a long with him, just like you guys were doing in the other threads.

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Dec 7 2009 8:30PM
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theabortionator
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That picture really doesn't mean anything useful, but then again none of your do either.

Dec 7 2009 8:30PM
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some-skill
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i am utterly appaled that this many people use LSD and other drugs. did anyone pay attention in sixth grade health class? you are the people that hundreds of thosands people see and think or say "whats that persons problem? i cant belive thier doing this in puplic! ive never been so happy i grew up in a good family and nieghborhood!" and i know people that grow up in the worst of nieghboorhoods and familys, and still dont get invloved in the worlds of drugs and alcohal! if you have enogh self respect, you will realize that what u r doing is wrong and that unless ur family and people around you hate you and wish you dead, then there is no reason to do drugs. accualy, nix that! even if every one hates you shud give them something to be proud of!

you are the people that are continuing to drive america and other countries into the dirt! stand up! get away from this hell you call a release! not just for urself, but for people everywhere! you are keeping drug dealers and gangs in buiseness! these people kill people everyday! not only with drugs but with violence! and u users to! if ur on a trip and suddenly become violent, u will not be spared by the judge or jury just because u were intoxicated! or if you get in a car amd kill somone, how would you feel, that u just ended someones life! there family and friends will never see them again! i know 2 people that were in my skool whose lifes were ended by themselves or someone who was intoxicated! they were close to people in our skool! our skool is that much less happy, and its that much harder to make it through the day! please people, listen!

come on people! america needs you! everyone needs you!

Dec 7 2009 8:39PM
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quixotic
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I honestly can't tell if this is sarcasm or if you are for real. 

Dec 7 2009 8:43PM
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theabortionator
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"you will realize that what u r doing is wrong "

Oh man this guy is a winner.

Ignorance. The government and there drug laws are keeping gangs in business. The drug war is a 50 billion dollar a year fail. Putting people in jail and such.

"if ur on a trip and suddenly become violent, u will not be spared by the judge or jury just because u were intoxicated! " You are a complete idiot. Please do some research before you post.

"if you get in a car amd kill somone, how would you feel, that u just ended someones life! " Wtf does this have to do with lsd? Look at drunk driving fatalities.

"ere close to people in our skool! our skool is that much less happy, and its that much harder to make it through the day" Skool dun good fore yew man. 

This thread is not condoning drinking and driving, it is specifically about lsd. I really hope you were just kidding trying to be an ass. Otherwise, I feel bad for you. It must suck being that ignorant.
Dec 7 2009 8:57PM
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Mr.Panda
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PCP does that.... not LSD.

Not calling you out Abortionator I just want to clarify something for myself is all.
Dec 7 2009 9:00PM
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wasatch_rat
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i get the feeling your still in 6th grade health class. its unbelievable how badly warped your perception of drugs is, probably mostly because of the propaganda thats been shoved down your throat


Dec 7 2009 9:05PM
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T-Holt
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Sarcasm?


Please?
Dec 7 2009 9:12PM
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C+Thompson
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threads for later.
i want to read more of this stuff.
Dec 7 2009 9:13PM
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some-skill
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god damn im stupid! i was thinking about alchohal. *uber facepalm* but lsd is still bad for u, but hey, its ur body, u fuck it up if u want to.
Dec 7 2009 9:40PM
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some-skill
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fucking damnit again! i mean underage drinking. ugh...
Dec 7 2009 9:46PM
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Mr.Panda
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How does LSD hurt you permanently though? I thought the whole spinal cord thing was false.
Dec 7 2009 9:47PM
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jarossamdb7
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yea for sure. I don't regret doing it, but I don't want to do it again. Its just a drug. Its not some special key, and it doesn't actually make you smarter regardless of what people who take it say. I'm sure many people come to great realizations on it, life changing for the better and whatnot. If your mind was truly strong YOU WOULD NOT NEED IT to get to a decent spiritual state. A professor (who has likely done acid before) was telling us a story about a student who was close to him who went to India on a spiritual journey. He brought a vile with him. He met his mentor, and after getting to know his mentor told him he brought medicine with him. He asked for the medicine, and the student gave him a drop. He just sat there for a while, didn't say anything at all. After a while longer, he asked for more. And more and more and more. He must have had at least 15 hits. He just sat there and stared at the student. When it finally wore off, he just said calmly, that it had NOTHING on meditation. Its kind of like cheating (assuming you do even get good effects out of it) and it will create a false foundation in your mind- if you come to spiritual beliefs with it. I have seen people with good, genuine intentions, people who had not done the drug in a long time, to the most crazy disconnected and illogical things, ruining important friendships and so on. They were not the people they thought they were, and they presented themselves falsely to other people. They talk of humanity, good will, and karma, but really while the LSD they have taken may have brought on these ideas, it also confuses these ideas in a major way. Any substance you do will re-wire your brain. LSD has a profound ability to do this because it is so sensational (our brains wire themselves based on what we sense). It creates an unreal world. Many proponents of the drug have spiritual foundations based in an unreal world. I mean if you really want that, look into controlling your dreams or meditation. These things take time and effort, LSD is the fast train, but often times its better that IF YOU ARE GOING TO DO SOMETHING, DO IT RIGHT, DON'T TAKE THE EASY/FAST WAY. Sorry, didn't mean to preach, if you wanna do LSD you should...If you want to smoke meth, it is me belief that you should be able to.
Dec 7 2009 10:17PM
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Arabian.
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Dec 7 2009 10:18PM
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ZavierV
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Learn how to spell, dumbfuck.
Dec 7 2009 10:43PM
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WSMFP
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THIS EXACTLY.

If you don't like lsd, then cool. gtfo nobody wants to hear your bullshit analysis on it.

But here is the fact.

LSD is a very very powerful substance that should NEVER be taken by dumb asses like a lot of you in here. It should never ever be taken by anyone just trying to "trip balls" because they think if they can handle being stoned on some "fire ass beasters", they can handle lsd. Even if you have done psilocybin multiple times, you are most likely not ready to embark on an lsd journey.

LSD should ONLY be taken by the user in search of expanding ones mind. And finding the real insights of life.

LSD finds you. You do not find it. It works this way every time.

Because im 99% sure that most of you out there that say they can get some "dank acid" from an "acid dealer" are being sold complete shit that only acts as a placebo.

The few people who have access to good acid (by no means "pure") will know what i'm talking about, and also share the knowledge about the most powerful spiritual molecule known to humanity.

I will close by saying that probably every single one of you (except maybe BcL$) has never actually had LSD in any form whatsoever. I hate to break it to you. Even your dealers dealers dealer is getting lied to. ..Beacuse.......

ACID IS NOT A STREET DRUG.

and never will be
Dec 7 2009 10:51PM
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ECfreeski3
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yeah? then what drug is it thats made me trip every time?
Dec 7 2009 11:13PM
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gbirrd
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Holy fuck! 5 pages about this. i didnt even care that much to get in all this. w.e battle away at it
Dec 7 2009 11:42PM
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Nico_G
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I saw them on the summer tour it was the best show i have ever sen i wasnt on drugs i mean fucked up still but not tripping cause i tripped off the face of the earth two days before the show thinking I should have some experience before doing it at a concert and my mind just wasnt ready to do it again two days later. But yeah I am really excited to hopefully follow them around this summer a couple shows maybe hit up the Gorge if they play there and the red rocks runs. I was dying to go to phish 8 but i didn't have the funds at the time. and Kurodas light show is definitely the most insane thing I have ever seen. I'm seeing this disco biscuits on my birthday in January at the fox in boulder which is like a 400 person venue so that should b nuts too will probably candy flip for that. O and yeah man you probably got some dirrty acid if it was really visual and confusing unless you were tripping for more than 12 hours
Dec 7 2009 11:50PM
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CKpolicy
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suprised? you just summed up the current state of NS describing this one thread.
Dec 7 2009 11:57PM
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jason...
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IF ANYONE WANTS REAL DRUG ADVICE PLEASE DO YOURSELVES A FAVOUR AND CHECK OUT http://bluelight.ru

BAR NONE THE BEST DRUG INFORMATION SITE ON THE WEB. AND PLEASE FOR FUCKS SAKE NOBODY MENTION EROWID, THAT SITE MAY BE SOMEWHAT USEFUL BUT SO MUCH INFO ON THAT SITE IS FALSE.
Dec 8 2009 12:30AM
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theabortionator
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No, I can clearly see that.

Anybody ever seen videos of dude in the hospital on illy?  It's like pcp flakes baked in formaldehyde. Crazy shit. Def not something I would ever try. people were tweaking hard, like really hard. Held down with multiple handcuffs all over.

Also as far as the ether goes, never tried it, never will. I'm not going to say I know that much about it but from having friends who used to huff gas all the time, not something I want to try. That was the hardest I ever got peer pressured for anything. One of my friends buddies actually grabbed me and tried to force me to huff it. I just left right then. I might have considered it under other circumstances, probably not but you never know. Just didn't like something that people wanted to force me to do. I'm sure that doesn't extend to all ether huffers but it kept me from ever trying it
Dec 8 2009 5:21AM
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theabortionator
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I haven;t gotten it outside of a headie fest or show in years. And only from somebody who seems legit, and clearly know there shit. And even then, it's never a sure thing. I've had weak shit, some chemmed up shit, and dob.

And believe me, Ive had plenty of experiences with. Liquid check swiss fluff, and many others.

I would never buy anything from a random person outside of that environment. I just don't just it.

Especially these days when there is so much bad shit going around.
Dec 8 2009 5:26AM
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quixotic
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Very, very true.

But I do know that there are a few other members in this thread of have dosed before because they are great contributers to the 420 forum and I've read their stories.
Dec 8 2009 10:11AM
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theabortionator
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It is. Right now the belief is that flashbacks are like ptsd. Thats why people from wars sometimes have flashbacks. A massive psychedelic experience can do that.

As for the crystals in the spine that dislodge and make you trip, that's bs.

Lsd can hurt you permanently if you trip harder than what you can handle mentally. Other than that it's extremely safe physically.
Dec 8 2009 4:29PM
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Mr.Panda
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I got a flashback once at the perfect time. Top of Whissy on the peak on a bluebird day. Was AWESOME!
Dec 8 2009 4:30PM
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theabortionator
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Most people are pretty weak minded these days though, To actually really start unlocking stuff through meditation it takes year usually. People devote their lives to understanding it to get to that point. The average person is probably not going to get there.

"They were not the people they thought they were, and they presented themselves falsely to other people.  They talk of humanity, good will, and karma, but really while the LSD they have taken may have brought on these ideas, it also confuses these ideas in a major way. " What are you talking about man? You make it seem as if everyone that uses lsd trips out and goes crazy.

How many times have you yourself actually used LSD? You is this professor you speak of, is that story even real?

"IF YOU ARE GOING TO DO SOMETHING, DO IT RIGHT, DON'T TAKE THE EASY/FAST WAY." It's a tool, not some fast track. It can be extremely helpful if done right.

I doubt you know  near as much about meditation as you make it seem.

"Sorry, didn't mean to preach, if you wanna do LSD you should...If you want to smoke meth, it is me belief that you should be able to." Way to put meth and lsd together right there. I'm for all drugs be legal myself, but meth has nothing to do with this.
Dec 8 2009 4:38PM
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Tasche
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not trying to start anything so just hear me out.

It is pretty outrageous to say that a "weak mind" has anything to do with tolerance to drug use.
Dec 8 2009 4:44PM
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ECfreeski3
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thats what youre not getting, that lsd is nothing like most drugs you know.
Dec 8 2009 4:48PM
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ThaLorax
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no, it's not... to a certain extent. i'd say it's more true with more unstable minds rather than weak.

people with unstable minds cannot handle trips. people in a state of stress cannot handle trips. people who are comfortable in with themselves and are open to a new experience are more likely to be able to handle it. if you can't handle the trip, it usually means there's something goin on in your life that is making you emotionally unstable.
Dec 8 2009 4:50PM
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[~_~]
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To be fair, it's pretty outrageous to think that the effects of psychedelics are a product of tolerance and not psyche. The reason why psychedelics have a more diverse range of effects than any other drug is because they are just that-psychedelic. Everybody's head is different, and your experience is an amplified product of self, not the drug.
Dec 8 2009 4:51PM
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Tasche
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I am going to do LSD then come back here and debate the shit out of you guys.
Dec 8 2009 4:53PM
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Tasche
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Exactly, so if you are well adjusted person why fuck with the chemistry of the most complicated thing in known existence.
Dec 8 2009 4:54PM
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