Dont try acid.

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Acid its self can not kill unless in extremely large doses. People often die from acting reckless because of the psychedelic effects. Also LSD is often mixed with other more harmful substances that can kill.

If you have an addictive personality and use drugs there are risks there. There is a fine line between drug use and drug abuse. If you are one of the people that can control their use then props to you, again I have seen a lot of people fuck up their life with drug use.

And I didn't bring any hate to anyone except to you because you annoy the hell out of me, I don't know exactly, maybe because you are a snowboarder and even being here makes very little sense to me, or the fact that you seam to know everything and in actuality you don't know shit. Other people can back me up on this one. I also hate your user name/icon so maybe I am having some subconscious hate.

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Wow, for all the hate you dropped you are crazy ignorant. Your whole view on drugs is based on ideas that are not actually backed up by facts. You yourself have almost no experience in the drug world, and really don't seem to know anything about it.

Why are the people that drop the most hate always the most ignorant people. "but this is not the norm in my experience." You experience is next to nothing.

You should start making above the influence commercials. You would fit in perfectly.

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while we're on the subject, the fact that your signature says "bob tasche pwns son" makes me think youre 14 and also makes me want to reach through the screen and fight you :D. and hating on snowboarders? are you serious? you are the epitome of the guy who "seams [sic] to know everything and in actuality doesn't know shit." you are talking out of your ass on this subject, why dont you just cut your losses guy

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If you think the drinking and smoking all the time has helped you be successful then I concede to your argument. This is why companies drug test people (another reason I don't smoke very often or do any other drugs) if people could be drug users and be productive then whatever but in most cases they cant.

Again I drink pretty much every weekend and I know it has limited my potential. I also know that I would have 1/20th of the crazy stories I have if I never drank.

Again, everything in moderation including moderation.

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Obviously he isn't but that's not what tasche said. Maybe you should post your dumb images to him next time. He is making a statement based on his gut, and no real factual evidence. He already proved his ignorance on the topic through his posting.

So why are you trying to back him up all the time, but have no problem going after me?

I really don't get some people on this site

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Lol. The facts simply change based on age. 2+2 is 4, but just wait till your 50

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I go after you cause you rub me the wrong way with your NS name and icon. It just annoys me for some reason.

Also, every time you are in a political thread, while they are already shit shows, it becomes a conspiracy theory. Man, you can believe those things, but not EVERYTHING is a fucking conspiracy theory.

And you probably wouldn't understand this site, silly snowboarder.

One last thing, I am far from the king or biggest offender of posting pictures. That title goes to RainbowPotamus.

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So true. It's amazing how it can help you break free mentally. Your no longer limited by what you've been taught. Possibilities are endless. You're not just stuck in a rut through life. Just the different perspective on life is crazy.

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People get pretty pissed when you challenge them on their drug use. Sounds like people trying to vindicate their own vices and shortcomings.

I knew I would be playing devils advocate in this thread. If you want to keep doing drugs go right ahead I don't care. And of you are successful in your life props to you. I just don't see the appeal. And I have taken mushrooms and smoked quite a bit so I don't need that lecture. No doctor is going to suggest you take LSD. In my opinion, regular use, does nothing but limit your potential and ability to process your environment.

And Bob Tasche does PWN son. (this comes from my counter strike days) also not 14.

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never cited any facts except that lsd can cause death from being reckless while under its effects.

Other than that everything I said is based on my own experiences and friends I have that are drug users. I never cited any facts or anything like that you fucking pussy.

And me and Panda have had our differences but I respect him because he is not a fool, like you.

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way to make assumptions dicksauce. age does not equal life experience. i know plenty of people that are 30 years old who do nothing with their life and havn't ever touched a drug or even alcohol.

i could refute everything you just said there but instead i'll turn around the last sentence of your response for lack of time.

we all have that buddy who constantly plays video games all the time and is successful but this is not the norm in my experience.

we all have hat budy who has bad ADD and is successful but this is no the norm in my experience.

go sip some more haterade.

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OMG please stop posting about drugs. You have no idea what you are talking about. I'm trying not to hate, but seriously, some of the shit you say is just plain dumb. LSD is one of the cleanest, safest drugs out there, provided you have no underlying conditions. You can't OD and die from it. Acid will NOT kill you from high doses. Are you serious?

You have no idea what you're talking about.

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i wasnt going to argue your reply but these two sentences are just not true. there have been studies on tripping that have had extremely good results. the problem is that the stigma around drugs like shrooms or acid have made it so studies on them have been extremely rare since like the 60s or some shit.

and limit my potential and my ability to process my environment? just wrong, sorry. baseless claims

btw acids extremely similar to shrooms ( i cant think of another pair of more similar drugs, besides obviously some opiates are really similar) so if youve taken boomers you have a decent idea of what acid is like its not insanely different

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yeah honestly man im not trying to be a dick but you just have no idea what you are talking about, at all.

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for instance, as a possible cure for alcoholics

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You yould literally have to eat multiple sheets or drink vials to die from lsd. EWven if you dropped thousand of doses, I still don't know if you cna reach the lethal threshold.

"Also LSD is often mixed with other more harmful substances that can kill." Are you reading a d.a.r.e. r above the influence manual right now? Often mixed? Not true at all. Is it sometimes? yest. But you can't blame acid if somebody isn't ingesting acid. Your more likely to get bunk shit or weak shit than get anything crazy.

Were talking about acid, were not talking about people shooting H. And I doubt you've seen "a lot of people fuck up their life with drug use."

I don't know anything, yet I can actually back up what I'm saying with facts. Just because you choose not to listen, doesn't mean I'm wrong. Most of your claims in here can easily be proven propaganda or just straight bs with facts.

for why I'm on here. My friend, a skier made me an account a few years ago. I was working the park at the mountain and he wanted me to be able to post updates. Also a huge amount of my friends ski and are on this site, so I can get a hold of them through here.

and my icon and name rock, I can be backed up on that one too.

So chill bro. leave the hate behind, that's going to do far more damage to your life than drugs

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Whatever I quit but be careful with your drug use. Do you want to be defined by your accomplishments or your drug use.

And people do die from LSD all the time by acting reckless, just like drunk drivers.

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well said. and dont bother defending yourself for being a snowboarder on here, these two are in a very small minority on this site, people who actually have a problem with snowboarders. most the site doesnt have their head that far up their ass

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I will say this, the first time I did LSD wasn't even to get high.

I had a massive migraine and my buddy had an extra dose he was willing to give to me so to speak cause it was originally designed as a migraine medication. They just didn't realize there were hallucinations as side effects.

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Go find me a fact on the number of people that die each year from the recklessness caused by LSD......................

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I stopped smoking and taking chemicals years ago, and even then, I did so on such an irregular basis that they had no effect on me in the longterm. I've taken it as a tool for my music and writing and that's as far as I'd like to go with it. This isn't about accomplishments or drug use. This argument is about your terrible understanding of how drugs and people work. Yeah sure, people die from being reckless on LSD...

Far less than people die by texting while driving, or drinking, or playing with guns, or using machinery, or walking across the street.

Just because you die ON something, doesn't mean it's the drug's fault. It's yours for not being aware or your surroundings or being able to control yourself.

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Which gets completely slaughtered by the numbers on alcohol related deaths. Drinking and driving? Overdose, doing stupid shit?

I mean come on, The number of deaths related to people doing dumb shit on acid are tiny.

" I never cited any facts or anything like that you fucking pussy." Oh god, I'm sorry I like to cite facts instead of ignorant beliefs to back up mys statement. I totally understand why you hate me now.

"he is not a fool, like you." I pity the fool who uses facts.

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Get of tasches dick for a second. Jeez. You wrongly assume I believe everything because it's a conspiracy. Most of the conspiracy theories out there can not be backed up with facts, or are partially true but over the top. You've never even looked at any of them with an open mid so that might be why you came to that conclusion. It was already your conclusion.

and as for the snowboard hate. What the fuck is wrong with you two? Just a couple more bad seed in a mostly cool group of skiers. Most skiers I have no problems with. Actually almost all skiers

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Never even looked at them. Great assumption dude. I have looked at them, I said that in another thread I think the one about Iran and said I just find them too hard to believe. Check your facts on what I say before you try to call me out.

And the snowboard thing was directed at you as a joke. I ski at Baker, the only people I ride with are Boarders unless I work with the Race team.

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Whats the name of that drug theyve been using. I used to read about it, i can't think of the name.

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Seriously man, you can't back Tasche in this argument and claim to be a fan of Logic and Rational Thought. He is completely mis- or uninformed on the subject in this thread. He shows a complete lack of respect and open mindedness in his posts, and I can't believe that you (who has good posting skillz) would back him.

Even from a moralist POV, you should be getting angry at Tasche disrespecting the argument with his crap.

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mm i dono man sorry. i just added that in because i was remembering a study i was reading about where they used psilocybin to induce alcoholic subjects to think about their addiction in a new way or whatever blah blah blah and it had great results, no surprise there.

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Did I really back Tasche though?

On the first page I think I said that I tried it and personally liked it but agreed that it is not something for everyone.

I didn't get involved in this until I cracked a joke about theabortionator using "know" instead of "no" and then he got all pissy.

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Well, theabortionator isn't exactly a testament to our species, but he has good points. Tasche is just posting shit though.

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all the time? how deep does the ignorance run. You should have quit a long time ago, when somebody mentioned that to you.

Do you have any studies to back up your outrageous claims? Because it pretty obvious that people do not die all the time from acting reckless on lsd. Yes it happens but it's not in any way a common occurrence.

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Tasche should do this.

Dec 7 2009 5:36PM

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Which is what annoyed me in the other threads. They called me out, said they hated me and what not, posted dumb images, but never disproved anything I said.

If somebody knows that fact's and can debate you with relevant evidence that's actually fund. But when they call you out, and can't go any further, that's just lame.

Tasche was the biggest one doing that. I posted several times that I was actually looking forward to him pointing out all the "flaws" and whatever else he said about my statements.

He's ignorant, not a fan in anyway of open minded thinking. If you are thinking open minded, than anything that you believe really falls into question. It comes down to more environmental factors, and what you have been taught/ molded into.

I still don't hate tasche. I don't hate anyone. His hate was unwarranted. Don't post and then freak out because you don't know what your talking about.

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the big problem with people understanding my argument is that I was talking about drug use in more general terms and not LSD exclusively.

And what crap am I saying. Saying that drug use, in general, is detrimental to your health and mental state is a very accurate statement.

Never dropped any "facts" anyway, just saying it is irresponsible to say that everyone should go out and do LSD. What crap am I saying? That using a powerful mind altering drug is something that should not be taken lightly and has the potential to put you on the road to failure?

I have seen it, had a lot of buddies who I feel were hindered by drug use. Multiple alcoholics and drug users in my family, I know how bad it can fuck up your life.

So if you want to experiment with LSD be careful and think of the consequences and if you are one of the people who smokes every day really think if that is helping you be the person you thought you could be when you were a kid.

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I didn't get pissy at you. And it had nothing to do with that. I just mentioned that your over use of posting retarded pics is annoying. And for some reason a lot of them are directed at me. Tasche is bombing off ignorance, and you still back him but come into the thread and still have a problem with me.

And I explained many times that my spelling/grammar aren't the best. And I don't really care to proofread everything.

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The retarded pics thing, it is NSG, you need to get over it. And they are directed at you cause I think your name in inclusion to your icon are fucking stupid.

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you came into a thread about Afghanistan saying how I was wrong about Bush's weak dollar policies and claiming how smart you were for buying silver.

Then you said 9-11 was an inside job and you have all the proof, all of which has been debunked, I told you were to go to read the info.

Then you said you have done "research" on the economy when you don't even have a degree or any other info than reading a few internet papers. Some of the shit you say is right but giving into you will boost your already out of control ego and sense of self satisfaction so I cut you down when I can. Stop being such a pussy.

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i mean isnt it pretty obvious its just a joke? do i read your name and icon and assume you really are a panda?

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Ether's an experience in and of itself. Completely disillusioning and disarming.

If anyone does do ether, make sure you have absolutely nothing important to do. Unlike me, I was in the middle of an organic chemistry lab and one of the reagents we were using was diethyl ether. Needless to say, it made the lab a lot more difficult than need be.

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this was a sick thread until tasche started posting. now its gay because its an arguement. i just wanted to hear sick stories of good trips and bad trips

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I can get it is a joke but it is something that on a personal level I get annoyed by. I am by no means one of those crazy Christian people that think abortion is murder but just think the whole, coat hanger joke is overplayed.

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The crap you were posting included statements that you could die from large doses of LSD, that lots of poeple die from LSD use, that LSD is mixed with other things, and that people on LSD are reckless like drunk drivers (which shows you don't know anything about the drug).

And then you somehow saw fit to tie in that we are somehow compensating for or vindication our "short comings and vices" by defending reasonable and rational drug usage, which is ad hominem and completely disrespectful to those trying to hold a debate.

And then you went on to ask me whether I wanted to be defined by the drugs I take or my accomplishments? That's just fucking stupid, and shows that you haven't read any of my posts, and STILL won't answer to or acknowledge your ignorance. THAT pisses me off. You don't know your argument at all.

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You specifically said people die from lsd usage. That was quite specific to that particular drug.

Stress is detrimental to your health,

"just saying it is irresponsible to say that everyone should go out and do LSD" Lay off the crack man. Re read the thread. People are talking about how useful a tool it is but how it is "NOT FOR EVERYONE". that's a repeated theme. I dont think I saw anywhere in the thread where people were saying everybody should ingest lsd.

Use not abuse has just as much probably more potential to do great things in changing your perspective and outlook for the better.

More where people run into problems is from using all the time, or ingesting very large doses. That can be a problem with any drug. If used responsibly acid can be an amazing thing. Actually open up more doors for you, not close them.

Besides you admitted to not knowing but about lsd and never trying it. So why do you keep posting as if you do?

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1-0 good guys!

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still waiting brah..........

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I did think you could overdose from LSD, it seamed logical. I will concede that it is not as dangerous as I originally thought.

I was just trying to temper the ultra pro drug culture which is a dangerous point of view in my opinion. I know that when I was on mushrooms I was ok for a little bit then I thought I was going to die and was so worried that my parents were coming into town that weekend, it was a terrible experience. This kid named Joey did them with me, loved them apparently because he kept doing them and eventually failed out of school.

You guys need to get off your high horse of calling everyone who against doing LSD closed minded. You are abusing a substance to have a good time. And again I know several people that have really messed up their lives, starting with booze, then weed, shrooms, LSD and eventually needle drugs and things like meth. I know gateway drug is cliche but I have seen it happen. Now the people did make the decision but I feel like the drugs amplified their addictive personalities.

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First my silver investment was smart.

On the 911 issue, all I did was say it was plausible, when instead it's beaten off as being no way no how not possible. Most people honestly never looked at that issue open minded. Bring 0 bias into something like that is tough. And I asked you to try to debunk any of the coincidences i posted. Or the account of william cooper predicting an attack on us soil, in the next few weeks being blamed on Osama Bin Laden, but actually being done by the Us government, to succeed in getting more control. That was the end of June 2001, it fits up pretty damn well. Or the long list of coincidences I posted that you probably didn't even look at. Instead you just posted hate. If the facts back something up I'm going to look into it. I don't care if you and millions of other peop[le through hate at me. It's not about being liked for me. It's about pursuing the truth, a concpet you obviously have no grasp on.

"Then you said you have done "research" on the economy when you don't even have a degree or any other info than reading a few internet papers. Some of the shit you say is right but giving into you will boost your already out of control ego and sense of self satisfaction so I cut you down when I can."

I don't need a degree. I've done far more than read "A few internet papers". Reading the historical charts. The output of mining companies, the amount of certain metals used in industry. The probable supply in the world. One of the men I follow Peter Schiff accurately predicted the housing bubble in great detail, the fall of the financials, the recession.

nobody listened, I warned people about it and they laughed at me, When he would go on any mainstream news network he would get laughed at and called crazy. He stuck to it the whole time, making complete sense. Then it all happened like he said, but of course ignorant people won't remember that.

"Stop being such a pussy." I'm a pussy for trying to pursue the truth when ignorant fools like yourself keep calling me out based on nothing.

At least if your going to call somebody out, have all the facts at hand. Be able to pick apart there arguments and prove them top be wrong. Don't just call them names and tell them you hate them.

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http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/lsd/lsd_journal4.shtml

http://library.thinkquest.org/C005038/lsd.htm

http://www.egodeath.com/lsd.htm

http://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/cgi/pdf_extract/123/7/884

I was incorrect when I said a lot of people die from LSD a year, I cant find a figure at all so the number is probably very low.

However reading some of those case studies is disturbing. A woman beheaded her own baby during a "bad trip" There are a lot of cases of jumping suicide. Some gun deaths. Never felt like I would do anything like that when I was drunk or high.

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