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Are skiing movies far behind snowboard's ?

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Werd up, just watched this snowboard movie, so damn good. So much creativity, crazy soundtrack, crazy spots, tricks, cinematography is perfect.

HARD TO EARN Part 1:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHEwOz_nk7Q

PArt 2 :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOzyFBF6gjg&feature=related

PArt 3 :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kshVvwlKC0Q&feature=related

Dec 1 2009 11:59AM
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turtles
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i would rather watch a ski movie obviously because i am a skiier, but whenever i do watch a snowboard movie for some reason i feel as though they are just put together better and more overrall entertaining.

thats it thats all    blew my fucking mind

Dec 1 2009 12:11PM
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snowmouk
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from a sales perspective we've found that ski dvds outsell snowboard dvds by about 3 to 1. from a cinematography perspective they're all just insane nowadays, but there is definitely a debate to be had here depending on what you're after!!!
Dec 1 2009 12:13PM
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WVskiing
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i just get board w/ snowbaord movies cause you never no when they are going backwards
Dec 1 2009 12:15PM
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^nate^
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haha good point.

picture this pretty much did for me. there is definitely something to snowboarding that attracts me.
Dec 1 2009 12:19PM
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.travis.
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I think it's certain styles are just more entertaining than others. What i like about the snowboarding movies i watch is that the tricks are more simplistic than in recent ski movies. let me explain, a lot of sb movies are big gnarly tricks like huge 180's and big long rails and such rather than swap swap swap. ski movies like that are few and far between. Snowboard flicks just seem to be a little more creative in the filming and in the riding.
Dec 1 2009 12:28PM
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Sofakingstupid
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Def. sucks that snowboarders can't go from tranny to lip like we do ;)

On a serious not it think it's rather about perspective then the general quality of the movies. When we see snowboarders hit features they can do stuff we can't and vice versa.

And it's also about personal taste, one movie out of the 40 produced each year is likely to hit homerun.

The overall production i suppose it higher in ski movies comparing them head to head. The tradition of making movies is also greater in the ski industry as far as i know.
Dec 1 2009 12:28PM
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WVskiing
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it looks weird when they do trees

Dec 1 2009 12:33PM
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a.quinn
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snowboarders own urban. my opinion.

granted there are some sick urban shots in ski movies...but going from building to building is something i've never seen in a ski movie.
snowboarders seem to make something out of nothing. like skateboarders. its creativity.
Dec 1 2009 12:45PM
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powninja
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Ya snowboarders still OWN us in creativity.  They for sure put more emphasis on style rather than technical tricks which is why snowboarding films stand out to me.  If more ski films filmed outside the park more often and more in the backcountry and urban we might see something close to this.
Dec 1 2009 12:49PM
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wh@t
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snowboarders are more progressive, more "creative and more innovative than skiers for the sole reason that while they dont give a fuck and try to express who they are as themselves on a snowboard, skiers are too busy trying to express who their favorite pro is on skis.

that being said, there are fan boys in snowboarding and there are individual thinkers in skiing. its just weighted badly. lots of fanboys in skiing, few individuals in skiing.
Dec 1 2009 12:56PM
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wh@t
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disclaimer: that is wh@ts opinion. and for some reason people try to disprove wh@ts opinion in many threads. so if this one goes to shit its those guys fault.
Dec 1 2009 12:57PM
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Pinguu
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Maybe not BEHIND, but certainly not as creative. I would love to see some guys film a movie entirely in the streets. No park shoots, no BC booters, just travel cities and hit urban. Spend a winter creating the most creative jib movie ever. Seems like a lot of snowboard movies get close to doing this and I would love to see skiing come close. Level 1, 4bi9, and Meatheads do a pretty good job though.
Dec 1 2009 1:24PM
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mike91129
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I think it may be a bit of the case that skiing is still developing as it has not been around in the freestyle sense as long as snowboarding has. Snowboarding is sort of getting to the point where to stand out with a trick it has to be creative rather than just big. And the creative part of snowboard movies is awesome.
Dec 1 2009 1:36PM
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Sofakingstupid
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When you have the money to film in alaska i think every production company with some respect for themselves will head up there. Besides, skiing movies go for a more rounded image which appeal to more people and sell more movies.
Dec 1 2009 1:49PM
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Pinguu
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Yea I understand that, but a new group of people could make a movie like this. Not saying an established company should drop what they do.
Dec 1 2009 2:21PM
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to my surprise, no hate in this thread haha.

but yeah, I have around 30 ski dvds, I love them, but even if snowboards can't clear 8 kinks rails, they do own urban with their presses, their ability to hit anything, with their style in general.

This soundtrack is crazy too, get you hype

Dec 1 2009 2:23PM
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Klick_2_klaim
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Are ski movies that far behind the searchbar?
Dec 1 2009 2:28PM
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tbayjibber
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IMO the ability to 50/50 pushes snowboard urban better than skiing

as a skier i would love to be able to do something like a 50/50 because even when you ski slide you don't have a big surface area to balance on, and we have to worry about our edges catching which eliminates a lot of wooden, concrete ect. features
Dec 1 2009 2:32PM
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Sofakingstupid
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I agree, a project like that would be sick. TC-the movie.. CASG?
Dec 1 2009 2:32PM
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EMK
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Hard to Earn was my favorite snow related film this year, its so well put together and the way they have looked at so many features and interpreted them is amazing and something I would really like to see from skiing. With snowboarding films though its like each one has its own niche and thats what sets them apart from skiing, like our films are all quite general with a mixture of different types of rider instead of being aimed more at the urban skate influenced guy, or the tech guy, or the hammers guy, or the powder hound(i guess we do have nimbus for that actually)... Do you see what i mean? like the person who enjoys Videograss may enjoy Neverland but not as much and vice versa and so each person will like their preferred movie more than a combination of them both.
Dec 1 2009 2:39PM
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yojimbo
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snowboarders definitley have way more style when it comes to urbans, and it's more influenced by skateboarding so it seems the films have a lot more creativity when it comes to urban setups. I also like how stylish snowboarders barely spin n shit. they're not busting high mute dub cork 10's and shit they're just locking a stylish grab and spinning like 1's and 5's and rodeo 7's and shit. but skiiers can do way more stylish grabs in my opinion. It all depends i guess. I like them both for different reasons.
Dec 1 2009 2:42PM
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barberdude
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Robotfood's Afterlame is my favorite movie ever and it's snowboarding. No ski movie has touched it yet and it came out in 2004. They're getting closer, mainly because of Level 1 and Meatheads, but for that reason I'll continue to say ski movies are behind snowboard movies.

Honestly, I think snowboarding has more creative filmmakers and riders, thats why.
Dec 1 2009 6:03PM
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Alp1ne
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I like how in snowboard urban its not just about finding the craziest kink rail and doing the craziest trick on it, its about finding something that people have never seen.
Dec 1 2009 7:28PM
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joly.sp
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everyone seems to really like hard to earn and it was good but nowhere near as good as refesh, that was the general concenus at the premiere i was at anyways
Dec 1 2009 7:33PM
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T-Holt
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For me, I enjoy watching ski movies much more, because I ski. But I gotta say, I love watching snowboard and skateboard edits much more than skiing edits. Some of those edits are just so creative and mindblowing.
Dec 1 2009 7:36PM
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skiseemore
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apples and oranges why is it every 6months or so these post pop up why do we need to compared to snowboarding i guarantee snowboarders arent sitting around pondering if skiing is getting too big just do you
ps thanks for posting hard to earn
Dec 1 2009 7:44PM
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grambo
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Urban actually looks good and is interesting/has style when done on a snowboard. Rails just look about 10 times better style ridden on a snowboard versus skis, sorry but they are. As a skier with no interest in ever doing urban, I can easily watch snowboard urban segments and they are awesome, but I skip them in ski movies.

In big montain, skiing is much more appealing (faster/bigger air).

Dec 1 2009 7:46PM
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zagfan5
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the chugged out traveling circus movie.

 andy, will, chug, get on it
Dec 1 2009 7:57PM
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assface
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how do snowboarders make a run-in for BC jumps?
Dec 1 2009 8:16PM
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Nooschoolers
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neverland=orgasm
Dec 1 2009 8:17PM
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Parrish
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This. Also they just don't have just snowboarding in the film, they show parts of them dinking around and having fun. Some Ski films don't really show that as much.
Dec 1 2009 8:20PM
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Nooschoolers
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thats why theres chug life
Dec 1 2009 8:23PM
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Low.End
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skiing movies have harder and more technical tricks than snowboarding movies, but snowboarding movies show a lot of creativity and the riders seem to be having a really fun time coming up with odd lines/features
Dec 1 2009 9:03PM
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p-fo
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snowboard jib movies: my brain explodes. so creative and skilled. all else: pretty good. keep in mind they may have been making "freestyle"/park etc. oriented movies longer than we have
Dec 1 2009 9:17PM
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LiamMcKinley
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this is a good thread
Dec 1 2009 9:24PM
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fillup
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They have such possibilities when doing urban, that shit is so fucking crazy. Not going to lie the best edits ive seen lately have been snowboard online movies.
Dec 1 2009 9:39PM
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wesley.
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that was one of the sickest edits ive ever seen. the camera work was amazing and the snowboarding was fresh
Dec 1 2009 11:19PM
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brosif
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I completely agree. Well said
Dec 1 2009 11:24PM
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SlickRick.
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you gotta realize. theyre budgets are rediculous in most cases. they have a bigger crowd, and therefore much mroe money to drop on eqiupment and whta not
Dec 1 2009 11:27PM
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lineC88
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this is a great thread! yes snowboarders have us on the whole urban and creativity! but i think that is the reason that we all get so stoked and love when Traveling Circus comes out with something new....they always have some crazy jib going on. so i think we are getting there but because tthey can 50-50 they have alot more options. but we will always have them on technical stuff...pretzels and so on. yes i know some boards can but its just not the same.

the shop i work at plays ski movies and snowboard movies all the time and with buisness being so slow (fucking east coast no snow) i have watched two full boarding movies
the B movie and neverland!   from the very first time i watched the b movie i was uninterested from the begining! but neverland just blew me away and i couldnt take my eyes off it! neverland is worth watching if you ever get the chance
Dec 1 2009 11:47PM
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wameron
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In snowboarding you dont have as many people complaining about there being too much style and not enough technicality and vice versa in tricks and they also dont have to worry about becoming "just like aerials" as you here said every other day on NS. I think it's because of this that they are able to go out and be so creative, but you also have pioneers like that in the ski world, like nimbus and tc, who understand, it's about having fun, not always beiing totally steezed out with talls tees, not afterbanging just because twall does it, just do your own thing, and thats how sports progress in creativity, style and technicallity.
Dec 2 2009 1:12AM
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Core-E
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I have seen alot of great ski films but nothing will ever come close to "thats it thats all" from Travis Rice (a pro snowboarder) that movie blows my mind everytime i see it. nothing can top that NOTHING
Dec 2 2009 1:15AM
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so true, and all the comments in this thread are so pertinent, it's good to see that even if WE ski, we can appreciate other sports to the fullest.

Still, we have crazy parts in skiiing movie. Refresh has probably 2 of the best segment ever to my opinion (wallisch and casabon) and so many others from t-hall, crichton, vanular, gagnier, carlson, wallisch, thovex, deschenaux, fujas, mahre, dumont, schiller, strenio, pollard etc etc etc.

Like somebody said, the fact that snowboarder can 50/50 changes everything in urban is so true. But on the other hand, we have WAY MORE VARIETY in jumps, we can grab and spin like ninjas. And we can do crazier rails since we have more balance.

Everything considered, snowboard and ski are both crazy sports for their reasons, even if I feel snowboard movies are pushing urban a lot more since they can be more creative. But it's coming on skis, we started hitting wallride, we'll start bombdropping off big buildings, casabon is bringing the crazy presses back, it can only be better.

Dec 2 2009 1:37AM
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.peter
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This shouldn't really be news to anyone. Almost every snowboard movie I've seen so far this year (most of the best ones are free on vimeo btw) have been far better than any of the ski movies I've ever seen. Thats not to say ski movies aren't good (refresh was just as good, and I can't tell you how many times I've watched Hot Lunch) but like EMK said aren't as developed. Our movies are still based off the tried and true model set by Warren Miller himself (not the company that uses his name) That means some really impressive/progressive tricks, some huge mountain skiing, some big cliffs, exotic locations, and some funny parts here and there. The smaller companies tend to focus on fairly generic park segments which is completely understandable, but I think there's something to be said for super low budget crews who don't film much in the park, or who model their movies off skate movies. (Videograss, Skeleton Crew, Airblaster, Party Snake, etc...) those movies all have a life about them that makes them great and entertaining to watch, and they have incredible riding. Ski films need to become more focused, and as pretentious as it sounds artsy, and not in the sense of weird panoramas, and shots of dripping water (we've all seen that) give your movies some edge, some rawness, a homemade feel is good as long as the feeling and ability is there. Make a movie that has a purpose, that has an idea behind it, that has some kind of unity to it, and it'll be legendary. We'll get there, we just need people to push for it, and demand movies like the ones snowboarders are making. Just look at CASG's edits; they're sick and are almost all followcam shots.

Now go make good movies.
Dec 2 2009 1:44AM
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Shane_McWannabe
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why do all the ski film makers love time lapses so much? like every ski movie either has cloud/sunset/sunrise time lapse, or cars driving down a highway time lapse...we've seen enough of those already.

I found almost all of the ski vids this year pretty bad......tried and true...nothing new.

to get stoked before i ski i watch afterbang, lame or afterlame....still nobody has touched those vids and they came out years ago

I think henrik harlaut skiing to juelz santana in refresh ruined the whole video...im actually probably going to sell me copy of refresh

Dec 2 2009 1:53AM
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Thenowhereman42
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You guys are dumb, snowboard movies are lame. Its all just a bunch of guys doing wheelies down urban rails and then a tiny 180 at the bottom, and they just 50-50 everything which is easy as fuck.
Dec 2 2009 3:07AM
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selkirks
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Wait-- snowboarding movies exist?
Dec 2 2009 3:20AM
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drugula
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even though i ski, snowboard videos get me way more hyped to shred BECAUSE.....

just saw this on the transworld website and i thought that this thread would be a good excuse to share haha



Dec 2 2009 3:41AM
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Wild_Style
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Came out in '03 bro, but either way your point still stands. I don't know what it is- maybe the board sport mentality in general that sets itself apart. Skiing is at a weird point now where it is either stuck in the 70 year old tradition of the annual ski movie, or trying to "progress" by basically following in the footsteps of what snowboarding has done already. I have faith though, it'll come around.
Dec 2 2009 4:14AM
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powninja
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they're sick
Dec 2 2009 12:09PM
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