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Does this bug you as much as it does me?

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Jamie_Baril
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I think it is sick that skiing is getting a better image than it has had in the pass. Kids finally think its cool, and don't go along with the whole 'skiing is for dweebs, I'm going to snowboard because its sick', mentality.

One downside of these changes is that there are so many kids who pick up skiing, and go straight into the park. It makes me cringe to watch some of the kids. First off it just looks like it would be so painfull for them because usually the basic techniques are not there so they are always in the back seat and their arms are usally all over the place. Also, if they took a little bit of time to really learn how to ski with the right technique and be able to do it well it would help them look more comfortable in the park as well as help them progress at a much faster rate.

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My advice for kids who are just picking up skiing is to take steps to become a well rounded skier before you devote all of your time to the park. Maybe take some lessons or sign up for city league so you can ski some gates. Even though they doesnt seem like cool things to do it will help you in the long run

Nov 28 2009 7:49PM
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TheClap.
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your prob going to get alot of hate but I fully agree. Its hard to watch some kids ski out of the park
Nov 28 2009 7:53PM
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HeathR
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doesn't really bother me. If people want to only be able to ski in the park that is their choice.
Nov 28 2009 7:59PM
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j.bird
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you wont get any hate. Not from anyone who knows there ass from there elbow.

Youre right, and everyone knows it deep down.

If you cant ski groomers with good technique, why the fuck should you go in the park? but kids do it still. There is so many kids who are sucking the dicks of people who cant link proper turns together. I never raced, nor do I intend to, but its the best way to learn to ski hands down. Second to that is taking lessons. But people are too cool for that obviously. The best thing you can do is just ski. Everything. Steeps, rocks, trees, groomers, pow, ciffs, icy chutes, etc. Thats how you become a strong skier. You can get good(probably not great and your style will blow) at park, but that doesnt make you a strong skier.
Nov 28 2009 8:07PM
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Number_9
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Park is an advanced area of skiing. You need to progress into Park, as it's no beginners run.
Nov 28 2009 8:13PM
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sammeb
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i agree, i dont care that much tho..

Nov 28 2009 8:15PM
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Utard
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Their arms are all over the place because of afterbang dude.
Nov 28 2009 8:16PM
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charmander
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ummmm....

my park is on a green circle..
Nov 28 2009 8:17PM
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onearmwanderer
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because that is what they like to ski.  who are you to tell people what they can and cant do.  i agree it does bug me and it would definitely help them to learn how to actually ski before going into the park but if they just want to ski park, then let them do that.
Nov 28 2009 8:18PM
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ASkierNamedJaymz
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More park rats = more pow for me on deep days.  I honestly don't care, my cousin is like this, can ski park way better than he can ski anything else.  So when ever we aren't in the park he gets left behind, kind of annoying, but really.  Everyone can do whatever they want.  If skiing park is fun for you, even if you can't ski a groomer, go for it.  Its about having fun, so do whatever you want.
Nov 28 2009 8:19PM
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Mr.Huck
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Sounds on the $$$ to me.  The same thing was true about racing.  At one point there were plenty of racers who were fast in the gates, but couldn't buy a decent turn on anything other than hard pack.  Whatever floats your boat, but there is was more to skiing than park or gates.   
Nov 28 2009 8:20PM
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Jamie_Baril
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What i am trying to say is that I truely belive that with a better basis of skills, skiing park will become more fun for these kids.

Nov 28 2009 8:24PM
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Dan-Man
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I think we'd see alot less kidz gettin carted of the hill if they followed your advice!

kidz learn to ski before you go trying 7twenttys and all that rail bness.

Nov 28 2009 8:26PM
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304NordMan
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hate?what?
Nov 28 2009 8:28PM
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tuna.
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agreed, watching a kid 270 onto a box for his first time isnt very admirable when he can hardly ski down from the lift from it.
Nov 28 2009 8:28PM
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--ski--
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i reckon everyone just needs to learn the basics. take some time to get some leasons and shit cause it helps in the future,
Nov 28 2009 8:31PM
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Elg
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i agree, but i couldm't really care less about how kids i don't know ski down the hills. Gives me a laugh sometimes, but thats about it.
Nov 28 2009 8:31PM
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reedwj
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Thank you!!! This thread and this post are sweet.

Skiing is bigger than the park scene. Look at the legends of new school skiing. They are all on board with that statement.

The Canadian Air Force
Tanner Hall
Candide
Pep
Pollard

shall I go on. I am all for kids getting into skiing because they appreciate the park scene, but there is more to skiing than that and it is painful to see kids turn a blind eye to all of it
Nov 28 2009 8:32PM
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GKO
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yeah
Nov 28 2009 8:35PM
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DR.SHRED
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same i dont care as long as they dont cut me off
Nov 28 2009 8:38PM
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nipples-the-cat
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i used to be one of those kids mainly because my friend who got me into skiing wasa pretty good skiier to start out with, so he pretty much threw me in the park and said keep up... but we both realized there is more to skiing in north idaho than just park. so now im getting into back country and deep pow, but i have to agree with you it is hard to watch kids who struggle in the park.
Nov 28 2009 8:39PM
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Dr.Brown
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Doesn't bug me as much, but you're totally right. Although, IMO, i think they can learn the basic fairly quickly.

And kids are quick-learners.
Nov 28 2009 8:42PM
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doublexl
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totally agree. there are so many kids on my mountain now that have picked up skiing like a year ago. watching them get down to the park is hilarious, and kinda scary, then they get there and front on everybody for having LAST YEARS outerwear and make backseat turns into boxes.q
Nov 28 2009 8:53PM
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Hairspray
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i totally agree, i was never a racer myself although i wish i did it when i was younger since it makes such a solid foundation, but i have been skiing since i was 4 and just doing skiing like that with lessons just helps so much, i didnt start doing real park till i was probably 12 or 13

Nov 28 2009 8:58PM
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wintersway
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I used to hate on them too, but after a few years of hating it, I have changed my mind. Skiing is a sport and can be taken in many ways. If kids have fun just jibbing and jumping all day and never venture out, thats fine. There are people that just race, just ski groomers, and some that only go out if there are powder runs.

As long as they are having a great time, promote the sport, and bring money into the industry, that is fine with me. I will do my own thing and have just as much fun.
Nov 28 2009 9:04PM
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Jwalk
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Its great skiing is getting exposure but yea there should be like cliff tree pow runs leading into parks hahah
Nov 28 2009 9:16PM
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Jamie_Baril
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exactly man! i just feel really lucky that i had parents who were college ski racers and they wanted me to have a good base of skills. i took lessons as a kid and even raced for a couple of years. when the day came that i decided to ski park i can thank them for helping me to be prepared to progress fairly quickly.
Nov 28 2009 9:27PM
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B.Pol
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Park is a semi advanced area of skiing, ya it takes a lot of skill it takes more balls. No one take this the wrong way, but for any kid that thinks they are good in the park, go ski some powder, trees, cliff lines, anything and see how it ends. Its just one aspect of a very technical sport, and thats what makes it one of the sickest sports EVER!!!!

Nov 28 2009 9:28PM
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matt.rad
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i agree, although i doubt many kids that fall into this category actually care they're lacking any real all-mountain skiing ability
Nov 28 2009 9:28PM
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Rachy
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meh.

I grew up racing in Minnesota then started snowboarding and got used to doing powder here and there on a snowboard. First time I got to ski in powder, I got owned. It was one of my least favorite days skiing cause I had no idea what I was doing. I came to california, was too old to join any race program, couldn't do any park, had no idea how to ski anything that wasn't groomed, but when i was on groomed runs or ice, no one could keep up.

Racing is a different sport than park, park is a different sport than just cruising. Hense why there are so many types of skis. The only time I get upset about a person's ability is when they only ski park but its an amazing powder day and they don't even want to try.

My roommate was this way for a while, she would enter tons of rail comps on her snowboard, but the moment it was too icy or there was any fresh snow, she would sit inside. I finally got her to come a few times and it turned out she loved it.

But if a kid wants to ski park and you invite them to do something else and they are willing to try, there is no reason to be bothered by their ability.
Nov 28 2009 9:46PM
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Jamie_Baril
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I beg to differ, racing gives you a good foundation of skiing. Balance, Edge Control, ect... All of those things are crucial skills for skiing park and everywhere else on the mountain.

I know a kid who raced his whole life and then last season he decided to pick up skiing park and he progressed so much in one season it was insane.

Nov 29 2009 9:09AM
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Tablespoon
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I skied 7 years on all mountain/carving skis before i started going into the park. I'm glad i did.
Nov 29 2009 9:15AM
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Blurst
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my sister is the perfect example of this.
Nov 29 2009 9:49AM
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Oreos
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GUILTY!
Nov 29 2009 9:55AM
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roaklee
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I don't about you guys but I learned all my fundamentals of skiing while racing.  I raced until I was 10 and that made me a much better skier.  I got sick of it because it's boring going around red and blue poles so I switched to freestyle and learned how to ski backcountry moguls and all that stuff and so after that park skiing came naturally.  You HAVE to learn the basics first or you'll hurt yourself in the park
Nov 29 2009 9:56AM
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EastCoast315
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so true, could contribute to the downfall of skiing's relationship with popular culture. But the real die hards dont die. Fuck, most of the die hards are out in the powder, not in the park.
Nov 29 2009 10:16AM
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Newschool_Pope
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personally i dont care if there are cmplete noobs in the park as long as they dont gape around, but very often, they do. like chill in the landing, stand really close next to rails, or cut the line backseating-then crashing-then lying in the landing for 10 minutes. or when they just stand and dream around... its not that they suck at skiing is what bothers me, but what really bothers me is when they dont know the rules in the park. it pisses me off big time. like when families or ski courses of 6 year olds cruise through the park and destroy the lip and takeoff of the kickers.

bottom line, not the skiing ability, but the stupidity of some newbz in the park really bothers me.
 
and i think the op is right, once you get more allmountain experience new skiers are less likely to make these mistakes imo.


just my 2 cents
Nov 29 2009 12:23PM
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itswillis21
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yes this is true. 70% of the people who go through our park can barely get up the jump and ride over it let alone jump it. so our jump totaly suck becuase 1000 10 year olds who cant ski ride over the jumps and almost get landed on when they decide to stand in the middle of them

Nov 29 2009 12:39PM
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[~_~]
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who cares? Kids hiking rails on powder days = more powder for me.
Nov 29 2009 12:42PM
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grown-ninja
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lets be honest, i suck at bumps i dont get to ski them that much but when i do im all over the place, you would think ive skied for less than a year, my goal this year over anything else, learn to kill bumps

Nov 29 2009 12:57PM
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a_pla5tic_bag
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I think the reason so many kids are just trying park is because that's the aspect of skiing they see as cool. I think people still think just skiing on groomers is lame, they only like park.
Nov 29 2009 1:02PM
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shredables
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all kinds of shredding is fun, even if it means all you do is sit in the park. its not for me personally, but sitting in the park is better than not shredding at all
Nov 29 2009 1:06PM
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CKpolicy
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the real question is how many of them posted in this thread agreeing with you
Nov 29 2009 1:18PM
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roaklee
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probably numerous
Nov 29 2009 3:04PM
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ike.
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when i started i was like that but i took like a week and learned proper technique and now i can go anywhere which is super sick and fun

Nov 29 2009 3:11PM
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3ski6guy0
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its hard to expect someone to not go into the park as quick as they can. i know i couldnt ski groomers all day. when i trade my friends skis for boards for a few runs ill hit stuff in the park even though im not that good at boarding. its still fun
Nov 29 2009 3:15PM
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Delaney
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doesnt bother me that much as long as the can turn the better tecneks they will pick up on
Nov 30 2009 1:26PM
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Relish_man
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its true, most of my park friends are like that; they started with park so theyre ballsy but they flail like crazy on rails and shit, they have no control over their arms and legs.
Nov 30 2009 1:56PM
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smooticus
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There is a rapidly increasing number of park rats. But hey i spend prolly more than half my time in the park now too. So i can see that kids are joining just to ski park.
Nov 30 2009 3:57PM
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[Adam]
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more pow for us
Nov 30 2009 4:03PM
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flexpattern
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ive been skiing since i waqs 2, im now 19

skiing park does help your knowledge of how skis work, but you need to get out on the hill and lay down some beasting turns bitches!
Nov 30 2009 4:06PM
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