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“If anything, I would like to see the climate change happen, so the
science could be proved right, regardless of the consequences. This
isn’t being political, it is being selfish.”
On Friday, news broke that a hacker had broken in to the computer
systems used by the Climatic Research Unit (CRU) of the University of
East Anglia in Britain, obtaining more than 1,000 e-mails and 3,000
documents. The material, which covers a period of more than a decade,
has led many to conclude that climate scientists associated with the
UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change and various government
agencies have been cooking the books to make the case for man-made
global warming.more Climate researchers deny any wrongdoing,
explaining that the e-mails are innocent and have been taken out of
context. The University, while confirming the hacking, cannot confirm
the authenticity of all the stolen documents. Here is a sampling of
some of the exchanges.
“I’ve just completed Mike’s Nature trick of adding in the
real temps to each series for the last 20 years (i.e. from 1981
onwards) and from 1961 for Keith’s to hide the decline.”
“The fact is that we can’t account for the lack of warming at
the moment and it is a travesty that we can’t. ... Our observing system
is inadequate.”
“Perhaps we’ll do a simple update to the Yamal post... As we all
know, this isn’t about truth at all, its about plausibly deniable
accusations.”
“I got a paper to review (submitted to the Journal of Agricultural, Biological, and Environmental Sciences),
written by a Korean guy and someone from Berkeley, that claims that the
method of reconstruction that we use in dendroclimatology (reverse
regression) is wrong, biased, lousy, horrible, etc. ... If published as
is, this paper could really do some damage … It won’t be easy to
dismiss out of hand as the math appears to be correct theoretically
(...) I am really sorry but I have to nag about that review —
Confidentially I now need a hard and if required extensive case for
rejecting.”
“So, if we could reduce the ocean blip by, say, 0.15 C, then this
would be significant for the global mean — but we’d still have to
explain the land blip. I’ve chosen 0.15 here deliberately. This still
leaves an ocean blip, and i think one needs to have some form of ocean
blip to explain the land blip (via either some common forcing, or ocean
forcing land, or vice versa, or all of these).”
“The two MMs [Canadian skeptics Steve McIntyre and Ross McKitrick]
have been after the CRU station data for years. If they ever hear there
is a Freedom of Information Act now in the UK, I think I’ll delete the
file rather than send to anyone.”
“Can you delete any emails you may have had with Keith re AR4? Keith
will do likewise. He’s not in at the moment – minor family crisis. Can
you also email Gene and get him to do the same? I don’t have his new
email address. We will be getting Caspar to do likewise.”
“I know there is pressure to present a nice tidy story as regards
‘apparent unprecedented warming in a thousand years or more in the
proxy data’ but in reality the situation is not quite so simple. We
don’t have a lot of proxies that come right up to date and those that
do (at least a significant number of tree proxies ) some unexpected
changes in response that do not match the recent warming.”
“I think we have to stop considering Climate Research as a
legitimate peer-reviewed journal. Perhaps we should encourage our
colleagues in the climate research community to no longer submit to, or
cite papers in, this journal. We would also need to consider what we
tell or request of our more reasonable colleagues who currently sit on
the editorial board.”
“Mike’s idea to get editorial board members to resign will probably
not work — must get rid of von Storch too, otherwise holes will
eventually fill up with people like Legates, Balling, Lindzen,
Michaels, Singer, etc.”
“If anything, I would like to see the climate change happen, so the science could be proved right, regardless of the consequences. This isn’t being political, it is being selfish.”
http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fullcomment/archive/2009/11/23/climategate.aspxWell I'm pretty confident that they aren't considering I took a geology course in college and this specific question got raised in class and my prof laughed and said of course it's not going to just keep going up and up the general trend is rising, that doesn't mean there aren't periods when the temperature is cooling.
To anyone in this thread, if you think that's stupid you need to seriously consider getting an education before you start debating things like this on NS.
oh and where is this article from? I saw no link or citations, nothing supporting that it is legitimate in any way shape or form.
I'm not taking a stance on global warming, whether or not it's happening, but I do think we need to respect the enviroment way more than we have been and find more sustainable sources of energy cause guess what. There isn't an infinite bank of oil out there that we can draw from forever.
And I kinda laughed when the article was saying supporters of global warming wouldn't give up easily cause they have too much invested in it. I think it's safe to say sceptics have a lot more supported into their theories considering oil is currently what makes the economy tick, how they make their money.
I'm basically just saying don't believe everything you read on the internet. Both sides are lying to you and you're an idiot if you think they aren't
it isnt letting me quote but in response to armanzoid-
the atmosphere of venus is roughly 96.5 percent co2. our atrmosphere is about .038 percent co2... obviously co2 will have a profound greenhouse effect in those concentrations, but right now water vapour is the most powerfull greenhouse gas on our planet.