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KOS Finals fucked up judging...

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SkiPat
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First of i think jon doesnt deserve getting anything better than 5th with his dub safety grab but i still agree with him that the judging was fucked up.
It kinda seems they wanted to put a signal out there that style still matters in our sport and can place you high in a contest but they failed doing that the right way. It seems the riders werent informed properly what the judges want to see and all of us whove skied contests know that it sucks that way.
Bdog skied sick but he even missed grabs and shit and still got 2nd cuz of some shifties....I mean come on thats BS. I love the kids style but at KOS he definetly didnt deserve placing higher then people like sammy that just stomped the crap out of his landings or elias who did a dub 12 blunt, grabbed it very long and landed very clean...
Take a look at the vid and make your opinion +K if we get an interesting discussion in this thread without childish BS
http://vimeo.com/7753106
Nov 22 2009 9:09AM
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Elg
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searchbar... or even better, just look at the 1st page of threads in ski gabber. there's a thread on this right below this one.
Nov 22 2009 9:13AM
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mightyboosh
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there is a thread about debatable KOS judging literally just below this one in sg at the moment . . .
Nov 22 2009 9:14AM
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SkiPat
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this thread is about finals
Nov 22 2009 9:16AM
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fricino13
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little offtopic: can jons grab be called cannonball?or its dub safety?
Nov 22 2009 9:26AM
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SkiPat
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idk but all i know is that its not a bow n arrow grab
Nov 22 2009 11:03AM
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SkiPat
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idk but i know that it is no bow n arrow grab
Nov 22 2009 11:04AM
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THUGwife
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its a shame the comp didn't turn out quite how everyone was expecting (especially the athletes). still andreas is always so stoked to be skiing and his dub 10 was so perfect really deserved it. also good to see casabon on the podium
Nov 22 2009 11:21AM
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skiierman
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who really cares? bdog is the illest, andreas won and deserved it and jon is still complaining about judging. seems like nothing is fucked up there.
Nov 22 2009 11:25AM
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ap-huhn
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i think jon claims he did a bow and arrow, but it looks more like a dub safety
Nov 22 2009 11:34AM
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LOLO_FAVRE
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hey i don't know where phil missed his grab cause it was just one jump count and if you look at his first jump he got that dub jap for quite long and then shifti's out he totally deserve his second place

and it's king of style so don't get me wrong when you just see dub ten mute and dub twelve mute over and over and then you see see a one of the sickest switch ten you can't diss on that and say he didn't deserved it
Nov 22 2009 11:47AM
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Dr.DRE
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^ agreed... All people care about are doubles, but smooth technical tricks are styled. It is king of style, not king of doubles...
Nov 22 2009 12:11PM
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STAUSS
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b dogs the shit anyways so he deserves 2nd on principal. 
Nov 22 2009 12:47PM
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Alp1ne
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I think its hilarious people consider a switch 10 a style trick.
Nov 22 2009 12:50PM
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Pmoore
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I agree with this completely obviously I didn't see all the tricks since I wasn't there but I mean Sammy B-dog and Hatveit all had sick tricks so I don't see why people are angry about this.
Nov 22 2009 12:59PM
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LOLO_FAVRE
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i'm consedering the switch 10 of B-DOG as style cause it's not hucked and grabbeb for so long and it looked at a switch 7

Nov 22 2009 1:00PM
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J.D.
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Every year people complain about the judging at every major event, it's at a point where it's as expected as the judging itself...

Step 1: Practice
Step 2: Qualis
Step 3: Finals
Step 4: Pick winner
Step 5: Judges get hated on on newschoolers.
Nov 22 2009 1:06PM
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Lemuel
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I hate to disagree with you Lolo but I rewatched the edit multiple times and he only held the grab for about 360 of the 10.  I wouldn't exactly consider that holding it long.  Casabon is one of the most stylely skiers but you have to mess up a few times and he did.  And I doubles aren't necessarily better than a switch 10, I liek seeing non-doubles becasue everyone is doing doubles now.  And i would rather see your switch 7 screaming seamen win over a double.
Nov 22 2009 1:12PM
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JTK
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im just glad they didnt give 2nd place to a forward dub 10 as well.  That trick just seemed much more impressive last year when PK took it to 12 and super deep.  you've got to give casabon credit for at least trying something unique, even if those grabs were missed... at least it looked like he got them in person, the judges dont have instant replay.
Nov 22 2009 1:23PM
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skiierman
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huh? i couldnt understand what you were trying to say... next time try it without sucking laurents dick at the same time.
Nov 22 2009 1:24PM
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SkiPat
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i didnt diss on casabon, even said i love his style...
I also agree that those dub cork 10 mutes get boring boring but to me it seems the judges just picked some skier that is known to be a style guy instead of a super-tech and then, even though the "style-guy" didnt even do something super stylish they still gave him second...
somebody else brings a dub 12 with a sick sick tailgrab (not so messy like eg west) and nobody of the judges seems to give a shit about it...
bdog is a sick skier, in fact all those guys are but the judging just doesnt make sense to me and seems kinda random
Nov 22 2009 1:40PM
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steezerampage
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I agree Bobby B should not have won at Dew Tour
Nov 22 2009 1:55PM
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THUGwife
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ahahahaha
Nov 22 2009 1:57PM
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Sericson
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He got the best score from the 1st sw 10.. you have probably just seen the last one! B-Dog the illest
Nov 22 2009 2:07PM
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DedicatedPicturs
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Dude. First of all, the last 360 was a shifty. So naturally, no grab. Which leaves us with a 720 degree rotation where he could have grabbed. Considering the difficulty of the grab, 360 out of 720 is actually a real long time.
Nov 22 2009 2:30PM
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Taavi
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Casabon throws nice though not amazing sw10 and scores high, 2nd best. Twall follows with even better (my opinion) sw10 and dont get even nearly as much points as Phil. Pekka Hyysalo stomps huge dubcork 12 holding the grab almost till landing scoring 4th, Elias dont do even that good with dubcork 12 tail. Judging seems kinda random to me, Andreas really deserved the win but after him its not that clear who should have been 2nd and so on.

But as mentioned before theres allways room for speculations after comps like this.
Nov 22 2009 2:30PM
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Pee_and_Ski
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didnt people bitch about this last year???
Nov 22 2009 2:56PM
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DAPSKI
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b-dog was the only one doing something that no one else was doing which i think helped him the fact that everyone there can do dub ten forward and switch but i bet not one of them could do a switch ten dub japan wwith a shifty all styled the fuck out. you poeple compain about dub tens then when someone places without one you bitch.

Nov 22 2009 4:54PM
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THUGwife
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every comp every year
Nov 22 2009 6:24PM
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Alp1ne
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Tom missed his grab by a mile lol.
Nov 22 2009 8:31PM
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antwone
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étais tu juge
Nov 22 2009 8:46PM
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prademaker
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never said better
Nov 22 2009 8:58PM
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jksl
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eveeryone complains that judges don't care enough about style and they finally do and everyone bitches.
casabon's switch 10 was so damn sick, super smooth, f he would've gotten the blunt in that 9 nose i would've been thinking he should've won.
Nov 22 2009 9:01PM
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bananas
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i like turtles
Nov 22 2009 9:37PM
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williams
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casabons sw 10 was so ill.

king of STYLE. not king of double corks
Nov 22 2009 9:47PM
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exile_ch
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Here's what Jacob Wester has to say about it.

"(...)

PS. Read more about the actual competition with results, pictures etc. here. Does anyone else think that it is hilarious that we know refer to a switch 1080 as a style trick? You should have heard you kids 4 years ago, what is going on in this world? Props to all involved, but the biggest go out to Pekka Hyysalo who got 4th on the biggest trick of the night and Elias Ambühl who got shat on by the judges after landing the first double cork tail grab in a competition.

Jacob"

http://www.freeride.se/jacobwester/


I must say I agree with him,,


Nov 23 2009 1:41AM
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no_steeze
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this always happens

no matter who wins ns will never be satisfied
Nov 23 2009 1:49AM
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kyle-decker
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i don't care about a panel of judges, cause in my book... b-dog is THE king of style
Nov 23 2009 4:29AM
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h_bar
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yes, just what i was thinking
Nov 23 2009 4:57AM
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LOLO_FAVRE
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no i wasn't a judge it's just an observation and i think since i've been watching all the city big air judges need something fresh. i'm definatly not hating hating on dubs cause i think they look sick but at that point they all look the same cause it's always dub ten mute or dub mute but the thing if you look they kinda all have the same style so it's more about the one who get the grab better or stomp it better!
i know that elias did a dub 12 blunt and he really deserved top 3 with this trick
but when i see phil switch ten for me he deserve his second place

and yeah you said that i wasn't a judge yeah true not on this comp but i think i'm pretty oblective cause not to claim it but i've been judging a lot and i passed the exam to be an internationnal judge so i think i can say that!!!!


and i'm not dissing at all on the judge cause it's so hard and it's always the worst job cause everyone are hating on them even when the judgement are fair!!!
Nov 23 2009 5:30AM
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DedicatedPicturs
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The obvious issue here seems to be that no on knows what criterias they were judged by.
Judging a competition by style, techincality, or both, is not an issue, as long as every participant knows where it´s at. This obviously didn´t happen at Ko, where two varieties of the same trick scored entireley different.

Nov 23 2009 5:56AM
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exile_ch
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Thank you..
Nov 23 2009 6:02AM
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albatross.
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jon is a bitch
Nov 23 2009 6:13AM
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sammeb
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im gunna watch the video later, i dont know who to agree with...
Nov 23 2009 8:18AM
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SkiPat
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Thank you so much! This is exactly why I made this thread. I didnt make it to hate on casabon or to say that i think that 17 dub 10 mutes in a row are the way Id like the sport to go.

Its just obvious that the way the judging went makes no fucking sense. And then the judges are talking about how much innovation matters in one of the videos. And then u see andreas win with a sick dub 10 dub mute, stomped the crap out of it BUT thats not even that innovative anymore since we've seen the same trick in zurich, berlin, london and barcelona before...

Elias throws a sick blunt into his dub 12 and nobody seems to give a shit, though that was REALLY innovative...

Nov 23 2009 8:52AM
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Relish_man
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i agree that Elias' blunt was sick but i believe that Colby already did a dub 12 tail for JOSS so its not really THAT innovative but still really steezy.
Nov 23 2009 12:53PM
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rYb
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i love how sweedish skiers have a nack for hating on judging or bitching....

jon, jacob.

Nov 23 2009 12:56PM
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madsskaar
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wow, toms sw 10 was a fail, he missed the grab 100%
Nov 23 2009 1:16PM
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Lanz
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next time at a big air event we will see in every trick a shifty and a poke.. haha.. this shit is so predictable!
Nov 23 2009 2:04PM
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colin13
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ya me too except that it wasnt the first dub cork tail in competition. mike clarke did one almost 2 years ago i think, in japan or something
Nov 23 2009 2:19PM
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T.Hartman
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nice call man!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G98j3PjNbn0
Nov 23 2009 2:28PM
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