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9/11/01...planned by the u.s.??

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CameIToeJam
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i dont mean to offend anyone by posting this link, but a freind of mine wrote this a little bit ago and put quite a bit of time into so if you have some time on your hands, read the whole article and all of the extra links that are with it...its pretty convincing and pretty scary

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Mar 22 2004 11:15PM
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Ds91260
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i wouldnt doubt it, but i really dont care anymore, because i believe, or at least hope, that soon the world will undergo a huge spiritual, economical, and political change, and all the worries of the past will wash away, but im dreaming


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Mar 22 2004 11:19PM
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ECFS-Attitash
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eh, a lot of that is based in facts that are only apparent in retrospect. how could they know that the planes were headed for the WTC? would they simply shoot them out of the sky if they were veering off course?
Mar 22 2004 11:20PM
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ATLANTASKI
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the guy that wrote that is gay

handicaped skiing
is so hot right now.

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I have seen a jogger with one, i was high when i saw him and for the first couple of seconds i thought he was really a fucking alien(on the oakley medusa hats)


Mar 22 2004 11:21PM
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j.bird
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Please just stfu. I am being dead serious, and if you are that easily lead to believe something that horrific was done to us by our own people, you are either a) an idiot b) just like to feel like you are the one who knows all the underground facts, that are really just posted by some fucking wannabe who makes shit up, and forms gay conspiracy's, or c) your just an ignoarnt bitch

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oh, thats dissapointing, i thought by the title that we were bashing france-skierdudeguy, in the 'stupid People' thread


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Mar 22 2004 11:21PM
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moe
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there are tons of conspiracy theories. When i first heard when it happend i thot it was a conspiracy, but the problem is, if the government planned it, why dont they have more info on who did it?

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Mar 22 2004 11:22PM
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always_ski
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I don't believe it, but it does make you think,
Mar 22 2004 11:27PM
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CameIToeJam
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^thats the whole point...is to make you think



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Mar 22 2004 11:38PM
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lj5
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screw that, the real mystery is what ever happened to saucer boy? i loved that guy.







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Mar 22 2004 11:39PM
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five0
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im not convinced but i am suspicious
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Mar 23 2004 12:02AM
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DENALI44
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well the Us planned pearl harbor so that we could enter the war that why all our major aircraft carriers and ships were out at sea and the first fatalities belonged to the japs


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Mar 23 2004 12:24AM
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five0
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^ill need more sources on that too
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Mar 23 2004 12:26AM
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Mattman
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You should be shot in the face for making this thread!










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Mar 23 2004 12:29AM
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m1garand
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That guy doesn't point out a lot of other facts, and he really doesn't know what he is talking about. Don't tell me he researched for 'hours', I can find all the info in about 20min. Stupid anti-war morons, their reasoning makes no sense to me at all. They just want to be 'different' and stand out like the douche bags they are.

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Mar 23 2004 12:57AM
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sim
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Hmmm I never knew that physics were as simple as he makes it out to be. You learn something everyday.

Theorists ARE stupid. I mean what kind of a wierdo would take data and 'facts' to put them all together to try to come up with some sort of conclusions...? Definetly not this guy. Definetly not.


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Mar 23 2004 1:19AM
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Ghost
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It's interesting. There are some points made about events that don't add up. But to say that the people of the government, who are people like you and me, who have families, and who have friends/families who may even work in the World Trade Center, to say that they conspired this attack on ourselves is absolutely ludacrous.

All what this article tells me is that there are some things we have been told about 9/11 that don't make sense. Could the government be lying to our face? very possible. But does that mean they are responsible for it? No way! I'll be the first to say that alot goes on in the government that we don't know about. But some of this must be kept quiet. It's confidential information. There are people whose lives are at stake - undercover agents and confidential information; if any of this was leaked then our whole national safety and security could be compromised.

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Mar 23 2004 2:23AM
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seward
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wow your only... lets see.... about 3 years late with that theroy

good work though detective


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Mar 23 2004 9:04AM
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h3ofilms
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that kid had a shitload of misspellings in that article, NO scienficic data, and just a general 'ooh look at me' attitude when he wrote that piece.

just give it up...on 9/11 we got fucked hard, Bush isnt crazy/smart enough to come up with a plan like that to attact ourselves. The simple fact is that everything that was designed to protect us took a flying shit digger into the pavement and we all got screwed that day

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Mar 23 2004 9:14AM
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Sinister
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^agreed
Bush is just too much of an idiot to even think about such a conspiracy...
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My conclusion is that we should all put some seeds under the ground in some hot country(like mine,where the heat is too hot to move 3 feet away from the swimming pool)and just let it grow,because when i get old i wanna get stoned,but in order to get high i need to improvise some techniques for the growth of pot.
Mar 23 2004 9:37AM
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Roussel
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i think some of u are morons, ur bashing him for simply saying facts. he's not saying AMERICA DID IT, KILL BUSH! he's simply saying facts!
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Mar 23 2004 9:41AM
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1080enemy
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first of all, none of us, the guy who wrote the article know enough about the combustion rate of jet fuel, building demotition, etc, to accuratly state if what happpened, happened as we saw it. I'm sure the gov't, all gov't's, know more than us. take what you want from that article. it might have helped if those links worked aswell. There were some valid points made, but not nearly enough to prove anything. If that was written as a paper in any university class, he would have gotten eaten alive by the prof. basically it didn't convince me that the american gov't took out their own towers, but itdid make me think. props
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Mar 23 2004 10:07AM
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dez22
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OMFG ITS AN ARTICLE ON THE INTERNET IT MUST BE TRUE!
Mar 23 2004 12:01PM
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five0
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^duhh
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Mar 23 2004 12:02PM
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mckeeman
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being canadian, i am going to say...get out of the USA, come to canada, a peaceful, non corrupt country that is loved by many other people in the world. Bush is self destructing your country


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Mar 23 2004 12:35PM
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Astomp
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i think a plane going 400 mph and be super heavy, hitting a building near the top could cause enough stress on the building frame to bring it down. buildings arent ment to shudder or sway. i read somewhere that the top of the world trade centers would sway no more then 5 feet on a windy day. but a jet would cause much more sway and stress on a building to bring it down. just a thought.
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Mar 23 2004 12:43PM
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five0
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im almost sure that the trade centers had GIGANTIC concrete blocks with oil underneath them so that when the wind blew left ways..the concrete block would slide right and keep the building from swaying much
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Mar 23 2004 12:49PM
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Astomp
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something like that...sounds super familar but dont you think a plane would have some effect on that?
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Mar 23 2004 12:50PM
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five0
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definately..im just saying thats why they buildings dont sway more than 5ft
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Mar 23 2004 12:58PM
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ski_Crystal
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I think people spend way too much time dwelling on stuff like that. I mean, I know indirectly it affect all of us, but relax a little bit. By the way.. screw the goverment
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Mar 23 2004 1:01PM
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ECFS-Attitash
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First, if someone came up with it, it wouldn't have necessarily been Bush. So enough with the stupidity argument.

Second, they could have achieved the same result in terms of public outcry with far fewer civilian deaths, so why go so far?
Mar 23 2004 2:13PM
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skipimp_
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First of all,

step back and look at everyone in this thread. You think that the president, your gov't, terrorist organizations, army and rebel leaders might know more than a bunch of teens on a ski web site?

We'd better hope so.

US planned the attack? Doubtful.

Knew about the attack? Positively.

Fact: Bush and Bin ladens father were in a hotel room 'discussing' stuff mere blocks from the pentagon attack?

Fact: The only plane allowed to leave US soil after the attack: A private jet containg the entire bin laden family (sans osama).

Fact: The only reason Bush is in power is because of the Bin Laden family's Support to his campaign (Oil money). Their families are so entwined.

Bush was backstabbed by the family of his closest business associates and good friends.

Where's Osama now? Convienently no one cares anymore!

it's all about saddam. Now they got him. Whats next? Osama? Nope, try entire countries.

And STOP FUCKIN HATING ON PEOPLE WHO ARE WILLING TO CONSIDER OTHER POSSIBILITIES, OTHER THAN WHAT THEY SAW ON CNN!

YOU HATE MONGERS.





Activism without chaos? or Chaos without activism?
Mar 23 2004 2:23PM
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shift968
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this whole bush and bin laddin family thing is true. theyve been friends for,.... well ever. Its all about the oil. the oil barrons dont have borders or countries theyre all alike.....



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Mar 23 2004 2:31PM
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ECFS-Attitash
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the bin laden family has few investments in oil, their fortune is from construction...so i dont think its all about the oil.
Mar 23 2004 2:36PM
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dilla_says_go
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yeah seriously, im soooo like, getting out of this country when i get older. im totally moving to alaska or something.
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Mar 23 2004 2:38PM
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mutescratch
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i dont know...there are conspiracy theories like sand on a beach...in fact i dont care but the things your friend threw together are indeed interesting

I'm such a dork

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Mar 23 2004 2:39PM
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4skizzle
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political wack jobs with conspiracy theories really make my skin itch.










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Mar 23 2004 2:45PM
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moe
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alot has happend since Bush came into power-
Huge recount (hmmm, coverup? rigged? noone seems to remember what happend there...)
9/11
ENRON
WORLD COM
war on 'terrorism'
Afgan war
Iraq War
very big tax cuts (somehow?)

now if you tell me that the government knew none of any of thins would happen, then i say the governement is incompetent.. oor, very, very , very corrupt...i kno what i think it is.

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Mar 23 2004 2:57PM
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dilla_says_go
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serious. a lot of shit went down. you left out the part about gas prices going up around 30-40cents since he was elected.
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Mar 23 2004 3:00PM
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misterbinz
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skipimp, id like to know your sources on those facts. Its not that i dont believe you, id just like to have some conformation, because those are very interesting and possibly controversial facts.

Anyways, the guy who wrote that article didn't write that because he wanted to make everyone believe that the US planned the attacks, he was just putting out some information that is very conspicuous, and that doesn't really fit in. He wasn't making any conclusions, he said that himself, he just wanted to share information. I think his point about the pentagon is very interesting and is very odd, though i'd have to be more sure of the physics and facts of all of this. His point about the world trade center buildings falling i didn't think had much validity. I think that if you really looked into it, you would probably find that a plane could do that much damage to a building. And even if it couldn't, there could've been a bomb planted in the building or the plane(unlikely, due to securtiy, but definitely possible). Overall, it was interesting article, and certainly made me think.
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Mar 23 2004 3:02PM
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ECFS-Attitash
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it would be better if gas prices went up though, because it would be better for the enviroment. currently there are oil subsidies in place that artificially lower the price of oil. this keeps market forces from drawing industry away from the use of oil, leading to a decrease in enviromentally-friendly development...not really something to complain about.
Mar 23 2004 3:02PM
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linemaverick540
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i think if everyone in the world just chilled out and listened to some bob marley or sometihng the workld would be so much better. everyeon needs to just calm down and stop playing with their new toy missles. but then again can anyone really see bush chillin to some marley? i guess the article was ok. some unproven facts but isnt there always unanswered questions? i dont know, it didnt do too much for me


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Mar 23 2004 3:08PM
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SmoKinSkier
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That was awful it didnt even make me think he said they werent opionions i dont think their was one fact in the entire piece it was all about theories and skeptism. I could break that down and prove it completely wrong in 5 minuntes or a 1 page paper. Please never post anything ever again and tell your friend he is a dumb ass! Ask ur fried this and i would like an answer, why did the terristis and usama claim they did it and if it was because we payed them to WHAT THE FUCK DID THE US HAVE TO GAIN FORM KILLING 3000 of its own ppl including my dad who was one of the 125 bodies FOUND at the pentagon and we had a burial for him and it was close casket because their was 120,000 pounds of shit on him SO FUCK YOU AND YUOR THEORIES




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Mar 23 2004 3:43PM
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always_ski
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I don't believe that the US planned it, but the government gained alot inc:
Everybody forgot about the shitty economy
Bush's approval rating went up
Military Spending
The US got the OK to step on human rights because of the 'war on terror'
Oh and it gave them the public support to wage war on Iraq
Mar 23 2004 3:54PM
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Lord_Piot
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its no use skipimp_ these 14 year olds have all lead a shelterd CNN life and are either unwilling to accept the truth or simply unable to.

to the rest of the world it is no surprise that the US was behind 9/11.. To the average american its unhear of? why because of the jewish controlled media in the US.

All you fucken yankees better start thinking for yourselves or else the rich white men will do to the average white man what they did to the black people. you will all become slaves. (if it isnt already too late)
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Mar 23 2004 3:59PM
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Lord_Piot
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SmoKinSkier too bad your dad died so bush could make some money eh?

you of all people should be looking for deeper answers.


bush killed your daddy. do something about it bitch
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Mar 23 2004 4:02PM
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always_ski
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^ Kinda harsh, but ya people got to stop believing everything they hear or read as truth
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Mar 23 2004 4:03PM
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Lord_Piot
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i know it was harsh but americans have to start thinking for themselves.
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Mar 23 2004 4:07PM
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SmoKinSkier
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I am thinkin for myself and its bullshit their is no truth in that paper he sai du countl find bodies in the wreckage thats his guess im telling you I SAW THE FUCKIN BODY WHAT DO YOU GOT NOW. and ur telling me that this guy who was on the bush team b4 9 11 and is now condeming the bush admin. dont u think he would tell us about the 9/11 thing if he was against the administration. It would have involved way to many ppl to pull of an event like this without a leak and if the towers didnt fall from thew planes then u r sayin a dem crew imploded it right and they would have had to wire the place and with all those ppl workin there none of them saw it not to mention the wires everywhere or the explosions we would have had to have seen on film. Most footage were from indepent ppl with cameras reg citizens u r just stetching for a conspiracy theroy that isnt there becuz u r a pussy and scared of war so lets make up the story that BUSH was the mastermind of 9/11




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Mar 23 2004 4:15PM
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4skizzle
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bush a mastermind...hahaha










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Mar 23 2004 4:19PM
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Lord_Piot
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i dont feel like arguing this again

if you want to be blind go ahead

if not www.whatreallyhappened.com

read up on it
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Mar 23 2004 4:19PM
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SmoKinSkier
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And there are many pics of the pentagon with plane reckage in it just not the one the article gives u thats convineinet. The theory is so asinie that i cant even pretend to ponder it. I have heard better cases for the US was behind 9/11 and they made me think this was very pooly done and this author should never be given a pen or a comp ever again.




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