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Rail trick names

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Mees
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Why do we use the terms frontside and blindside, instead of (for example) pretzel and sameway?
I think it would be more logical if they were named like that, because then you don't have to visualize the trick when someone's telling you about some insane combo they did.
Nov 14 2009 6:59PM
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treebeard
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because frontside and blindside (backside) make more sense. plus a pretzel is different than a fs switchup
Nov 14 2009 7:01PM
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Mees
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I know pretzel isn't frontside and sameway isn't blindside, but I don't think you did understand what I was trying to say.
Nov 14 2009 7:16PM
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dylanb
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I don't think what you are trying to say makes sense.
Nov 14 2009 7:19PM
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InfernoHits
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there are names that you can say that mostly everyone will understand. IE. K-Fed, brittney bitch, allusive, etc.

saying front swap pretzel 2 isnt very confusing either.
Nov 14 2009 7:21PM
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Dukeybrains
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You have to visualize but it is precise.
Nov 14 2009 7:22PM
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EMK
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Rail trick names would be easier to understand if we had used rollerblading names instead of snowboarding ones but its too late for that now. As for what you are saying, it doesn't make sense in anyway how ever you look at it.
Nov 14 2009 7:43PM
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daytripper67
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ugh no offense but thank god we dont use rollerblade terms

and what is a britney bitch? front swap front 270?

by the way i think the terms are just fine as they are. but im not sure how i feel about naming certain combos new names is a great idea. except for k feds im down for calling them that
Nov 14 2009 7:49PM
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Eric_D
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just use the snowboarder term. if you grind left foot foward your goofy vise versa your regular. so unnaty slide would be a front board, and a natural slide would be back board.
Nov 14 2009 7:49PM
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BrothaBrote
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Why doesn't wallisch just come out with a jibbin book with all the refrences in it? save so many people from wonderin!
Nov 14 2009 7:50PM
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daytripper67
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you got that backwards
Nov 14 2009 7:53PM
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Blurst
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no thats a k-fed
Nov 14 2009 7:54PM
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daytripper67
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naw k fed is front swap blind 270
Nov 14 2009 7:54PM
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skijohnOR
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Sounds good to me. Yo "railisch", get on it
Nov 14 2009 7:55PM
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K.C.dia
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K-fed is front swap blind 2.
Nov 14 2009 7:56PM
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fratskier69
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well we all know backside and frontside (i hope)
i use the term pretzel as angling your skis to shange which way you are spinning on teh rail,
ex. if you do a right side 450 on, left side 450 out, you could say "4 on, pretzel frontside 4 out"
and i think i twould be so much simpler if we just said backside or frontside changeup
Nov 14 2009 8:13PM
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snowfreak14
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^^ ahahahaha
Nov 14 2009 8:19PM
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BackRoad
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same way just sounds stupid in my opinion. like dude i just did a switchup same way 2 out. i dont even know what that would look like. im confuzing myself just trying to use same way in a sentence

Nov 14 2009 8:22PM
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Steezius_Maximus
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idk pretzel sounds really sick
Nov 14 2009 8:23PM
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drugula
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cant be using frontside and backside though because snowboarding and skateboarding on rails all it refers to is what side of you the rail is on when you jump on.
So a front board is a front board because on a street style rail the rail is in front of you when you jump on.
A back board is a back board because the rail is behind you when you jump on.
This really cant be applied to sking.
 I guess frontside and backside switchups make sense, kinda
Nov 14 2009 8:29PM
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daytripper67
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i said "no offense," that means i can say whatever i want after it without being held accountable for offending sensitive rollerbladers
Nov 14 2009 9:44PM
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SKIU4EA
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yeah,  you wouldn't want sensitive rollerbladers with hurt feelings comin after you
Nov 14 2009 9:53PM
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Malcolm
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flippy spinnies is what every trick should be called
Nov 14 2009 9:57PM
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TheButterHashira
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Your skis usually "angle" for edge pressure during pretzels because you are having to get a little more friction to the rail to change your momentum, but a pretzel doesn't refer to what your skis look like during a trick. A pretzel is simply spinning one way and then spinning the opposite. Most people(including I) would say a pretzel entails spinning more than 180 on one way and then more than 180 off the other way. 
Nov 14 2009 10:02PM
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Eric_D
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how is that backwards. goofies are the right side spinners, regluars are the left side spinners. snowboard grinds are based on if your facing away, or facing the rail. so a front board for a left side spinner would be a left foot forward grind.
Nov 14 2009 10:41PM
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Walter.
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no thats a k feds are front swap back 2
Nov 14 2009 10:55PM
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canudoa9
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because pretzels are high in carbs
Nov 14 2009 11:20PM
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womenaresluts
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i think it would make more sense to call a dildo a fake penis but does anyone use that term, NO
Nov 14 2009 11:58PM
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basedjase
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k-fed's are just a switchup (any dicrection), and a 270 out (any direction). doesnt matter wheather its a pretzel or blindside or whatever.

Nov 15 2009 12:04AM
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AndrewNZ
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hahaha sounds like, no one knows whatthey are.
My Opinion:
Pretzel: Changing directions of your momentum (Normally achieved by angling skis on the rail)
Lipslide: The back of your skis moving over the rail before landing on the rail.
Normal slide: The front of your skis moving over the rail before landing on the rail
Disaster: Gapping the first part of a rail and landing on the second part (e.g Gapping the Flat of a FLAT-DOWN and sliding the Down part only)
K-Fed: Front Switch up to Blind 270 out.
Brittney Bitch: No Idea.
2 out: (270 out)
Pretzel 2 out: (Pretzel 270 out)
4 out: (450 out)
so on and so fourth.

Correct me if Im wrong.
Nov 15 2009 2:52AM
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daytripper67
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no front board for a regular SBer would be approach the rail from the left side, left foot forward, and slide it by turning 90 degrees to the right and sliding the rail facing backwards. if he did the same thing from the right side of a rail, it would be a back lip
Nov 15 2009 3:14AM
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ski-swagga
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Brittany Bitch is the opposite of a K-Fed or al least thats what im told. so its a back (blind) switchup to front 2 out
Nov 15 2009 3:18AM
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torepus
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no offense, hitler did a great job



butno
Nov 15 2009 5:16AM
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EMK
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I'm pretty sure if you weren't an idiot you would know already that as rollerbladers we are unlikely to take offense to retarded comments like that, people with special needs are something you come accept. Even if if we did take offence though, your still an idiot and it has nothing to do with the fact you dislike of rollerblading.

Here are some questions for anyone willing to accept the idea that skiing trick names could be less than perfect, there may be actual answers so don't be too sarcastic.

What is the name given to the basic grind when you come on to a rail from the right hand side and grind right foot forward?

What is it called when when you come on to the rail going backwards so you tails go over first?

What is the difference between switch, fakie and unnatural on a skateboard and is has it been accurately converted into skiings terminology?

Now as far as I know the answers to these questions can be quite confusing, and I know its too late to start now but if we had used blade names from the beginning i think it would be easier to understand.

Nov 15 2009 6:39AM
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EMK
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Nice grammar in that second sentence there, is you an retart eugene?
Yeah, well I rollerblade so i guess so.
Nov 15 2009 6:43AM
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nickyp
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NOOOOOOOOOOO


A K-Fed is specifically a front switch up blind 270 out.

Get Learned.
Nov 15 2009 8:41AM
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EMK
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yeah seriously, i wont even disagree with this one.
Nov 15 2009 9:09AM
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.SimonB.
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nah, britney bitch is back swap, front 2
front swap front 2 is a variation of pretzel
Nov 15 2009 2:57PM
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Yung_Gnarley
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yezzir
Nov 15 2009 3:16PM
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AndrewNZ
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1. Well if you did an urban rail you'd say, I railed the urban.
2. Well if you did an urban rail you'd say. I hit the rail switch.
3.
Natural is natural in skating therefore forward stance in skiing
Switch is unnatual in skating therefore Backwards stance in skiing.
Fakie is Natural Stance but going backwards therefore can technically be used instead of 'switch'

I still have to mock you about Lollerblading cause lets be honest, Rollerbladers look pathetic. Do a real sport.
Skate :)
Nov 15 2009 3:31PM
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Yung_Gnarley
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you are soooo dumb
Nov 15 2009 3:33PM
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traylortrash
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no, kfed is frontside swup blind2out, and britney bitch is the opposite (blindside swup front2out). and super-fed is frontside swup blind4out.
Nov 15 2009 3:58PM
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quixotic
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Nov 15 2009 4:02PM
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.peter
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You can call a frontside or backside switch/spin whatever you want, it's just a matter of people understanding you or not. As far as specific tricks go though (like a k-fed) they've already been named so deal with it.
Nov 15 2009 4:07PM
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jason...
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No. K-Feds are front swap blind 270 out. That's it, nothing else. B-Spears is blind swap front 270 out. Ray-Fed or Ray Charles is blind swap blind 270 out. That's all I know is certain. And Super-Fed is front swap blind 4 out.
Nov 15 2009 5:20PM
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EMK
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They should be correct if you ask me, I don't know if they are, thats the point. Skiing grind names are confusing and nonsensical. if we had just taken our names direct from skateboarding like everyone else we would have names for almost everything that made sense, except grind names(front side and back side, how hard was that to think of?) and if you popped off you noses going backwards(easy to fix).
Nov 15 2009 5:39PM
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daytripper67
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cool it dude i was joking

anyway ill try to answer your questions
1) sliding a rail
2) it depends what side of the rail you are coming on from. it would just be called switch on, and if i spin away from the rail to get on, its a switch lip
3) switch is backwards, normal footing, fakie is switch nollie footing, and unnatural? i dono i didnt know skateboarders used the word unnatural. and sure, no, "switch" and
"fakie" havent been really perfectly accurately converted, but thats for obvious reasons
i dont see whats so confusing?
Nov 15 2009 5:45PM
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EMK
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Whats confusing is doing a 270 to "sliding a rail" or a switch on. on to what? We cant just call it a grind, whether you like them or not there are other grinds like brokens, one footed grinds(another rollerblading based debate) and the things Andy parry and Allen up there do.
If you do a trick the way usually would only going backwards on a skate board it is called fakie, so why call it switch on skis? and if you do a trick going forwards the unnatural way on a skateboard its called switch so who decided on unnatural for skiing?
The reasons may be obvious, they took it from snowboarding instead of skateboarding like they inturn had adapted from, but thats what has given rise to this confusion, its been a bit like a case of chinese whispers in trick name terms.
Rollerblading trick names are primarily taken from skateboarding and they are much more aplicable to skiing tricks than snowboarding trick names are.
Nov 15 2009 6:26PM
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Spaceman_spiff
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cause frontside you see it and backside you dont
Nov 15 2009 6:30PM
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