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Obama Bows again!

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Delphi
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How will the whitehouse play this one off? this guy is a boob. There was a thread on his previous bow, but I wasn't bringing that one back. Thoughts. MacArthur is rolling in his grave haha

http://www.latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2009/11/obama-emperor-akihito-japan.html
Nov 14 2009 11:57AM
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powninja
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haha "very progressive"/liberal university".  Jeez i bet obama would let you suck him off
Nov 19 2009 7:25PM
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Mr.Panda
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Good point. I hate ignorant people.
Nov 19 2009 7:29PM
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KarmaInitiative
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I dislike you

very much so
Nov 19 2009 7:31PM
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Flo_Rida_2016
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i said in the act of invading.

Revolutioanry war: 25,000 british casualties (cecession)
War of 1812:
Civil war: 625,000 combined casualties (civil war)
WWI: 1 million enemy kills (defense of allies)
WWII: 1 million enemy kills (defense of allies)
Korea: 215,000 enemy kills (invasion)
Vietnam: 1,100,000 enemy kills (invasion)
90's conflicts (gulf war 1, somolia, yugoslavia): 23,000 enemy kills (invasion)
Iraq: 6,370 combantant kills, 19429 insurgent kills: 25,799 confirmed enemy kills (invasion)
Afghanistan: 23,550 confimed enemy kills (retalliation)

Total invasionary kills : 138,7349 (btw, i used the UN numbers, not the CIA numbers so you cant criticize me for that)

you guys killed 2.2 million chinese alone in the invasion of China. Those are UN numbers. The Chinese claim you killed 10-15 million civilians you fucks.

You killed 2,345 people on the attack of pearl harbor alone.

According to the UN, Japan has killed more civilians in the act of war than any other country on earth.

Go fuck yourselves.
Nov 19 2009 7:36PM
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Flo_Rida_2016
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jesus i am dyslexic
we have killed 1,387,7349 people total in our entire history in the act of invading a country to preserve our interests. "aggressive" acts they call it.

you have killed up to 19 million civilians alone in the act of invading a country to preserve your interests.
Nov 19 2009 7:41PM
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Mr.Panda
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SSSSOOOOOOOOOOOO, the Indians that the Europeans don't count as civilians?
Nov 19 2009 7:45PM
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Cone-argh
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epic
Nov 19 2009 7:53PM
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Flo_Rida_2016
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Indians? Indeginous peoples you mean?

Well you can't really blame the 100 million deaths caused by disease from the explorers... as they werent american and the united states had not existed yet... but if were gonna talk about the United States Government:

ok we killed 5,500 native americans from relocation, exploitation, and war 200 years ago... The real killers of native americans were the pre-USA european explorers- the very people the USA seceded from...

you killed 2.2 million soliders of my fathers countrymen in an invasion motivated largely by nationalism and asian superiority.

You killed anywhere from 10 to 15 million to 19 million civilians. You can argue all you want but i don't think anyone in history will ever catch up to a figure like 10 million or 20 million, especially over the span of only 4 years!


No country, ever, will ever rack up as many civilian kills or even enemy kills invading sovereign territory.

Face it not even the Nazis killed 10% of the civilians you killed and they were their own citizens!

if people actually gave a shit about asian history, they would realize what a fucked up country yours was until August 15th, 1945.

You should not be proud of what your country stood for up until then.
Nov 19 2009 7:53PM
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Flo_Rida_2016
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jesus im dyslexic. The Nazis killed about 30% as much civilians as you in WW2
Nov 19 2009 7:56PM
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SirFryanator
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I know my economics concepts. I also know that because of this emphasis on education and prosperity the human race has avoided natural selection. Plastics may have saved many lives, but if you knew about plastic's properties at all you would understand how terrible of a substance is for our planet. I am not as concerned about the human race as I am concerned about all other life forms and how their disappearance will affect the delicate balance of life on this planet. It's a Keynesian mentality of sorts. We aren't going to get rid of all this harmful technology that allows us to live the extravagant lives we live, but we sure as hell can limit our use of resources and at least attempt to lol at simplifying. We are slaves to technology; it's sad when we have a better understanding of a computer than we do of the harvesting of neccesary plants such as corn (yes I am making a generalization). We as humans are so self centered now that we lose touch with our habitat and how it would affect us without our fantastic shelters. It's not something that can be fixed in a day but at least you could realize how fucked we are if we continue this lifestyle.

War in native America was primarily over food, which is what our wars will be about soon. We could learn a thing or two from that way of living. Maybe I am a hippie, but I am a happy hippie who can acknowledge the issues and change as needed. So be it.
Nov 19 2009 7:58PM
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Mr.Panda
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Soviet Union lost 27 million people during the war.

The Nazis THEN killed 5.9 million Jewish people, 2-3 million Soviet POWs, 1.82 ethnic Polish, 220,000-1.5 million Romani or Gypsies, 200,000-250,000 Disabled, 5,000-15,000 homosexuals, and 2,500-5,000 Jehovah's Witnesses.

Now, my math skills aren't so hot but let us add these up:

All these added together=about 39.67 million people that the Nazis killed..... And the Soviet Number includes civilians killed in the battle of Stalingrad
Nov 19 2009 8:03PM
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MitchPee
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"Before you can even begin to consider to talk to me on an equal level"

Suppose I can take you up on this debate. I mean if I am intellectually capable that is..Did you take one poli sci class and all of a sudden know the world?

Ugh Juminster, you cease you amaze me with your intolerant, prima donna, high floated ego. You are the reason I have to portray myself as a balanced American who does not condone the statements of people like you. We America invented everything! I love America and the original intentions of this country, but you sir need to take it down a notch.

Bowing WAS submissive. Now it is a cultural norm. These types of things change over time. Much like any customary event. Bowing was submissive when the emperor and Shogun era ran the country. Now it is much more symbolic like a handshake. Your information is outdated and you have obviously never been to Japan. As I have actually got to know the culture and opened myself to a broadened cultural perception, I know just how silly your argument is.

Obama was in the Emperor's place of residence. Thus, as a guest this is how you show your gratitude for the time being. You have obviously never been Japan or have much background with the culture. As many Japanese realize this is just a sign of showing respect towards culture. ie, when you go to another country you ACCEPT their customs/traditions.

Thank you so much. Let's just perpetuate this hate of WWII. You had nothing to do with it. I didn't, let's not let WWII affect the judgmental positions we have now. Both of my grandfathers were in the way and I know they would be happy if we could all move on.

Handshake would suffice so would a bow. You are finding excuses to portray Obama in a bad light and that's all this thread is about. If you could step outside of your extremely arrogant political position for just two seconds you would see how much of an ass you look like. Goodday.


Nov 19 2009 8:23PM
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Flo_Rida_2016
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you cant include the 27 million USSR "lost" during the war... they could be "lost" due cold, disease, resources, rations, etc.

I was talking strictly civilians.

Which the germans killed about 6 million of. based on the highest number of about 20 million civilians, thats about 30% which, if you read the post below, was the amount i corrected myself with.

and congrats, youre now finding yourself comparing your country with the third reich. i rest my case.
Nov 19 2009 8:28PM
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Flo_Rida_2016
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i am third year student with a 171 LSAT and a 3.9 cum GPA. Georgetown Law here i come...
Nov 19 2009 8:29PM
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Flo_Rida_2016
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ok that sounded retarded but you did probe me with "what did you take 1 polisci class"

and for the last time im not perpetuating any of these arguments. these arguments are all brought up by your attempts at a rational discussion over bowing.
Nov 19 2009 8:31PM
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MitchPee
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Wow, you learned a rudimentary theory of IR, congrats man.

You get this sick satisfaction of trying to dominate NS. I am hear to tell you that you are just not as smart as your false conceived notion of self importance allows you to be.

Oh and that theory has no relevant matter to this discussion.
Nov 19 2009 8:33PM
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J.D.
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Yeah there's a guy like you at my law school... at one of the wine and cheese recruitment receptions, he basically comported himself in a manner which betrayed the fact that he thought as much of himself as you obviously do... the firm rep (7 sister) he was talking to said audibly so that other could hear, "don't apply with us. We don't want you."

You're going to have to learn one thing before you get into law, kid: you're nobody.
Nov 19 2009 8:33PM
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geteducated
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this post is ridiculous. 

to the victor does not always go the spoils.  and your last sentence doesn't make sense.  macarthur voluntarily allowed the emperor to stay on.  perhaps you're forgetting the meaning of unconditional.

you're obviously way to entrenched in your beliefs to even be reasoned with.
Nov 19 2009 8:35PM
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MitchPee
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I win, I'm 4th year and I'm older. Thus your internet credibility is less than mine.
Nov 19 2009 8:37PM
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Mr.Panda
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The Japanese on Okinawa are beginning to have problem with the US Military base there too. The men get drunk, rowdy, start smashing up the place and shit. They have been asking for the US to get out for a bit simply because we are allies with each other now.
Nov 19 2009 8:41PM
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geteducated
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i know this.  i read the paper and i'm on a car forum where most of the people on there are americans stationed  there.  they don't like what the bad apples do over there any more than the natives do.
Nov 19 2009 8:51PM
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Mr.Panda
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Alright. I have family out there and they are always talking about it with me.
Nov 19 2009 8:56PM
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geteducated
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but i don't see how it has to do with my post you quoted.

if you went to the start of the thread and read what i wrote when i first started posting in this thread, i already mentioned that as a reason why the way americans represent themselves in japan is a sensitive issue.
Nov 19 2009 9:00PM
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Mr.Panda
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Yeah, I got a little off track, sorry.
Nov 19 2009 9:04PM
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strongmark
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if anyone would like to know why the entire world thinks youre gay...

its because youre gay!!

jklol luv u valoo
Nov 19 2009 9:06PM
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dbstar
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firstly, i can say with confidence that I am older than you, probably go to a better school than you, probably know exponentially more about politics than you do, and should be able to comment on this thread as I do know quite a lot about IR, even though i do not necessarily concede to your point of view. Secondly, if you knew anything about IR, and realism as you state you do, you would understand that by Obama bowing means nothing in the greater scheme of their relationship other than Obama showing respect. You see, kid, from a realist perspective we can assume that Akihito, along with other world leaders, are not focused on jesters such as "bowing", other than their meaning as a show of respect, but rather in the greater scheme of things focus their attention on the military strength of a country. Now their is no argument about the military superiority of the United States here, and assuming that Akihito, and other leaders, are rational actors, which is a critical assumption of realism and IR in general, then the fact that Obama bowed really means absolutely nothing, as the fact still remains that they are the strongest military nation in the world. Had the United States recently being nuked or had some sort of catastrophe happen which severely hampered their ability to act strongly in a military sense, and Obama were to meet world leaders and bow the action may then be considered one in which we may question, but as the conditions are such it is absurd to assume that any leader would perceive this as a show of weakness as your ignorant self seems to think. It actually is laughable, and any respectable political analyst probably would not even waste their time on this issue, except perhaps one's who believe their sole purpose is to find ways in which to further divide an already clearly divided country.
Nov 19 2009 10:00PM
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anxju
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i gotta say, i love contradicting my brother as much as possible. however, its clear from this thread, that he absolutely DESTROYED all of you, not only with his vast knowledge, but superior writing and debating abilities

the same patterns keep reoccuring: my bro argues a big point, backs it up with undeniable FACTS, and makes a valid argument. you dipshits reply by attacking his personality, pride of being and american, and nitpick at a small point in his arguments. for example, ohmybosh, i never liked you before, but i like you even less now. my bro's argument was that america provided incentive and motivation to invent; not necessarily that the inventors themselves were american. they came to america to invent to make money; something they cant do anywhere else. you bring up 2 inventions, like the engine and penecillin, but undeniably, for every foreign invention in the past 100 years, america has 10. you dipshits argue that my brother doesnt consider any other arguments; however he explicitly stated that there are smart liberals that he respects, who use defensable arguments such as ben and drew. you dipshits keep referring back to points like who cares that obama bowed, while you sit on your ass all day and watch ken block race subarus. to you, ken block switching to ford or whatever it was is more important than obama's trips to foreign nations. i can guarantee that almost none of you watch the news, have taken classes on politics, or study world politics at all. instead, you spend your time taking pictures of yourselves in the mirror with tall tees at your knees. you soak in liberal views from trends of today. ill bet that almost none of you know anything about obama or what hes done in his first (almost) year. now i dont watch the news that much or know much about politics, but i dont stick my nose where it doesnt belong. im aspiring to work in the field of medicine, not law or government

ive noticed in the few years that ive been here that ns as a whole is extremely uneducated and unintelligent, for lack of better words. in recent days, ive even been shocked that people not only knew what the onion was, but they couldnt even recognize the fact that it's completely ridiculous and overly satirical. now i dont dislike stupid people, a lot of my friends are pretty dimwitted as well, but i cannot stand it when someone makes an argument and has no evidence to back it up
Nov 19 2009 10:02PM
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dbstar
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Wow, the prisoners dilemma, good job.... please explain its relevance to the irrelevant issue of Obama bowing, as a show of respect, to the emperor of Japan, and further please explain how him doing this puts Americans in danger in way.
Nov 19 2009 10:04PM
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anxju
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pointless politics? pointless? a symbol of submission is infinitely more important to today's world than your rapping
Nov 19 2009 10:06PM
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dbstar
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a symbol of submission is meaningless when it means nothing, I am sure that you would be one of the first to state that the United States has the strongest military in the world, and this of course is fact, so how does Obama bowing to the emperor of Japan, in any way concede this power? Real power is represented in military power, so to world leaders, these insignificant gestures mean nothing, the only people that care about this shit are people that want to attack Obama.
Nov 19 2009 10:09PM
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ECfreeski3
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hahahahahahahaha. dude. you are not smart. the only reasonable thing you said in this thread was that the US was justified in nuking japan. though one could definitely argue that they didnt need to nuke a city full of civilians.
anyway, you very well may be "math smart" and have a good memory but you continually prove you have zero intelligence in other matters. seriously this^ bullshit just shows youre a little college know it all who thinks he's an expert on anything he's read 10 articles about. everybody knows the fucking prisoner's dilemma and it has nothing to do with your little tantrum that obama showed respect to someone whose country he was in. get over your small dick and stop posting this garbage.

you and delphi scare the shit out of me how stupid and arrogant you are. and stop using big words and concepts you barely have a handle on, it only shows everyone how little you really know
Nov 19 2009 10:12PM
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C.R.E.A.M
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fuck your karma was already at zero. stupid thread

Nov 19 2009 10:15PM
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k-rob
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no guys, they've got it right this time. i was in japan yesterday and i saw The Evil Emperor Of Japan sitting in his throne in his castle, laughing hysterically about how Obama had bowed to him, therefore cementing The Evil Emperor Of Japan as the most powerful man in the world. then he said he was going to fire a couple of nukes at the USA, and then send some Giant Evil Japanese Robots over there to finish the job. and he said it in the most diabolically evil way he could, i mean it was even more evil than Hitler.

so yeah you're all fucked, and you should've listened to the Republicans, they had it right the whole time, and you did nothing to stop this. now all of our gameshows are going to involve tentacles and slime, thanks to you goddamn Liberals. you fuckin idiots.
Nov 19 2009 10:17PM
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Mr.Panda
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So, are you saying that he shouldn't have bowed even though that is a cultural form of agreement?
Nov 19 2009 10:20PM
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pmills
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ok ok ok, Ju had a fun run for what 4 pages? you've got to pick your battles, wisely, people.

obviously you've got to play ju's game if you want to have any chance at making a valid point. Here's to hoping this thread is nearly run its course so i can throw something fun out there.


Let's accept the premise that Obama's bow was to show submission to the Emperor of Japan (old tradition)

Citing the pages of knowledge provided by Ju, we can find no rationality for Obama to cede submission to an empty figure head of a defeated culture.

Thus we must conclude that what really was being portrayed in the bow was an ironic and sarcastic gesture of false impotence. A taunt as a means of saying 'look how weak i can pretend to be to you, because we both know i bombed your ass out of power.'

look at it that way and Obama becomes a bad ass, douchey guy you'd expect to troll the internet...





on second thought, maybe it was all about a small Asian penis joke, i mean Obama's probably packing the most presidential heat in history.
Nov 19 2009 10:26PM
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anxju
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he shouldve shaken hands
Nov 19 2009 10:26PM
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Mr.Panda
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This is just rhetorical, considering I assume that the Emperor bowed wouldn't that then be considered disrespectful by hardass Obama critics that he didn't follow a countries culture?
Nov 19 2009 10:29PM
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k-rob
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culture isn't important when you're up against The Evil Emperor Of Japan, a.k.a. the current most powerful man in the world.
Nov 19 2009 10:30PM
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anxju
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as i said im not gonna delve into something im not expert in... and neither should the rest of ns
Nov 19 2009 10:36PM
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k-rob
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it doesn't matter anyways because now that the POTUS has given up all of his power to The Evil Emperor Of Japan, the USA is no longer important.
Nov 19 2009 10:40PM
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dbstar
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i would just like to say you do not need a phd in international relations to be able to figure out that Obama bowing as a sign of respect is a fairly mundane and unimportant thing... it is sad to see the youth of today being brainwashed by their older siblings, i suggest learning to think for yourself.
Nov 19 2009 10:48PM
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anxju
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im not brainwashed at all... but i can see who's obviously winning this argument. and no you dont need a phd... but to make a point, you it should be defensable
Nov 19 2009 10:59PM
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dbstar
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to even think their is a point to be made on this is pretty absurd, your bro is obviously way to full of himself to concede to defeat as he indeed has been defeated, and well you.... i dont really know what to say
Nov 19 2009 11:04PM
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AMD_5
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Holy fuck! you guys are still going at it.

MitchPee took the words right out of my mouth. The problem with you, ju, is that if Obama didnt bow and the emperor did, you're balls would still be in a knot. You're just looking for excuses to nitpick at Obama. Why don't you drop this pointless argument and stop being a stuck up prick about it. IT DOES NOT MATTER!!!

You keep complaining that everybody on NS is too liberal, so why the fuck are you still posting? And, for the record, i don't consider myself a Liberal, I consider myself a conservative and i still support Obama. The problem with you is that you're leaning so far to the right you're almost fucking falling over. Maybe law is a good career choice for you. After all, you get to run your mouth all day. Honestly dude, post this shit on a political forum if you wanna debate about it. Not on NS. I would've thought that someone with a 3.9 GPA and would know that.

but it doesnt matter because k-rob told us the Evil Emperor of Japan is gonna take over the world. ur the fucking man rob.
Nov 19 2009 11:20PM
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Mr.Panda
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And he employed the great Panda Mercenary Army fresh off of our conquest of the rest of Asia. North America be fucked.
Nov 19 2009 11:24PM
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joshua
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threads like this make me happy to be Canadian
Nov 19 2009 11:48PM
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PeterNorth
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your a faggot, wow he bows! who the fuck cares, hes trying to make this world a peaceful place and showing some respect to other countries doesn't hurt, so fucking think before u make stupid fucking posts. im guessing your a Republican that only cares about your own stuck up ass, fucking get a life and show some respect to other people.
Nov 20 2009 2:17AM
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Flo_Rida_2016
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what school do you go to? the one that doesnt teach you how to read? i never said it meant anything. i said it was a gesture of submission that was probably inappropriate for the man as important as our president.

Did i say it would have any foreign policy implications? All i said was that it was inappropriate not, catastrophic. i brought up international relations only to refute side remarks made by others, not to add to the original comment.

I never stated an actual stance. for the large part i only pointed out those who were wrong.
Nov 20 2009 2:55AM
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Flo_Rida_2016
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hahaha that was pretty funny.
Nov 20 2009 2:57AM
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