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copying snowboarders?

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-=koLLac=-
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I'm sure there's been a lot of talk about this but I really want to know YOUR opinion on it. I watched YOZ (again) and there was this pro snowboarder-chick and to the question 'What do you think about the progress in the freeskiing world?' she answered 'I know they're trying to copy us, they're not perfect, but in a couple of years ...'blah blah I don't remember.
I can see the influence of snowboarding, but in the last two or three years skiing has gotten totally independent, many of the tricks thrown on skis are impossible on the board and so on.
so...Do you think we're still 'copying' the boarders?
Mar 21 2004 1:57AM
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Mike-O
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That is true. They are getting a bit jealous about the fact that the speed we are progressing our sport is about five times faster than progression in boarding.

Some tricks are copying,yes,but if a boarder does a butter and he sees a skier doing one,there is no room for calling it copying: if they were to change their equipment,a boarder could NOT do a butter and the same with the skier.
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Mar 21 2004 2:48AM
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^ That's so true

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Mar 21 2004 2:50AM
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Jib_This
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It's fun to try to deny cross-pollination between action sports like surfing, skating, snowboarding, skiing, rollerblading, moutain/bmx biking, kite-boarding, wakeboarding, etc. It's also stupid, as any professional worth their sponsorships in any of these sports will tell you. But if you wanna keep on drinking your haterade and hate hate hate, go ahead and waste your time.



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Mar 21 2004 4:37AM
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^, haha he said 'haterade'
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Mar 21 2004 6:46AM
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Who's hating on anything? :S no one
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Mar 21 2004 8:22AM
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skiierman
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id like to see a snowboarder throw down a 1440 iron cross. my opinion is that we have surpassed snowboarding.


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Mar 21 2004 10:39AM
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GeneralButtNaked
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I know alot of snowboarders and they thought snowboarding was cool and they they realized how much diversity skiiers had in things they could do off rails and kickers and even just going down the trail. Since a snowboard is attached to your feet the only things you can do are grabs and flips, of course we can probably do more than we are right now but snowboarding is very limited till a new type of binding gets created or something.



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Mar 21 2004 10:44AM
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LDowney
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snowboarding, on the highest level, is sicker than skiing. It isn't a question of 'catching up' because they are different sports. The first step to making skiing sicker is to stop comparing the progression of both sports as though it was some kind of competition. It is good that we draw from snowboarding, and when we start doing cooler stuff they will start drawing from our sport. Skiing has a lot going for it: We can hit bigger jumps, go higher out of the pipe, and we have more grab possibilities. However, our sport still isn't as core, and the athletes simply haven't stepped it up like snowboarders have. But let the basis for comparison stop here, and for all you snowboard haters, spend less time talking shit and more time killing it and maybe skiing will 'catch up' like you claim it already has.



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Mar 21 2004 10:45AM
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-=koLLac=-
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If I made the impression of a 'snowboard hater' then I'm truly sorry. I never hated snowboarding, I never enjoyed it either (it was too slow).
I just wanted to what you guys think ( I think that the Line shirt 'snowboarding sucks' is BS)

Mar 21 2004 11:48AM
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mommy
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right now, when i think of skiing, i think of ugly kid with tight clothes and big helmets with skis that come up to there nipples throwing tech, styless tricks off of tiny jumps thinking theyre awsome. id say snowboarding is cooler right now.
Mar 21 2004 11:50AM
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mommy
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and skierman, or whatever. snowboarders have been doing 1440s for a while, in the pipe. and plus, 1440s are something some kid with skis up to his nipples in tight clothes with a huge helmet would do.
Mar 21 2004 11:55AM
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ECfreeski3
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but on any given day in the park, who's throwing down harder, the 150 snowboarders or the 10 twintippers? snowboarding is a very cool sport but there seem to be waay too many people doing it just because its cool.
wat is interesting is the best ones are always the coolest, while the ones who cant 5050 a flat bar are bitches
but personally i think SBing is very very easy, especially jibbing.
and liam, wat parts do you think we havent caught up on? im gonna see LAME in the next few days, maybe ill figure it out

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Mar 21 2004 12:01PM
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Teenage_Zero
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I have about 15+ friends that snowboard and I'm the only twintipper. I don't think that twintip skiers will ever outnumber boarders in the park simply it is easier for any person with no experience boarding or skiing to throw on a board and be able to 50-50 a rail. It takes alot more work to learn to ski well and do rails than it does on a board. Hell even i can do rails on a snowbaord, and I can't even turn. So until there are some major changes, most young people will continue to put on boards and populate the park.
Mar 21 2004 12:09PM
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tna
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maybe skiers have been copying SB:s in the past,but i think that novadays SB:s come behind us..maybe they can't copy us exactly,but progressing in skiing has made them try harder..

and we don't hate boarders more than they hate us.
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Mar 21 2004 12:16PM
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bmkten
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when i hit the park and see 70 boarders that can't even ride up across and down a dead flat rail, i realize skiing is cooler because there are no posers, skiers only go buy twin tips when they learn 360's and rail slides,
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Mar 21 2004 12:18PM
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dez22
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snowboarding is at a higher level right now... the only reason why skiers are progressing at a faster rate then snowboarders did is because they had no facilities to do the stuff they wanted to do. i dare you to watch a snowboarding movie from 95 or below... youll learn where the name 'stunt ditch' came from
Mar 21 2004 12:50PM
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Drewskier
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I've got boarder friends who think we are copying their style, the clothes and steez. It is pretty obvious that freestyle skiing has a lot of the same style, but how can we be copying snowboarders if we do iron croses? the whole crap about little skiers w/ big helmets is just as true with boarders, in some ways even more true.
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Mar 21 2004 12:51PM
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Jasmine
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i think it's cool that both sports are building off each other what with all the competition and rivalry and everything. it seems like a big old 'haterade' at first, but maybe it's a good thing.




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Mar 21 2004 12:53PM
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offtrail
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I have to agree 100% with liam here. skiing isn'tanywhere near as core as snowboarding. snowboarding started as a core sport, where as skiing started as a means of travel in the alps. it is going to take time untill skiing is looked at as a core sport in the eyes of those who are involved in sports like boarding or skating or surfing.

However it will happen over time, we all just need to keep it real and be humble. we all have to realize that if it wasn't for snowboarding and other core sports, most of us wouldn't be on this site talking about how cool we all are and how sking is progressing past snowboarding.

either way they are both rad sports.


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Mar 21 2004 12:55PM
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skiierman
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when they say skiing copies snowboarding in the park is like saying snowboarders are copying skiiers in big mountain, its rediculous. as they said snowboarders just have more of a core in the park like we do in big mountain.


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Mar 21 2004 1:10PM
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HelmutJr
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skiing is way cooler and much more evolved than snowboarding
bc skiiers have two free legs
they can do alot more than just spin and grab and grind
skiing has immensely more potential for growth than snowboarding




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Mar 21 2004 1:13PM
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Pipe_Munky
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i think snowboarders are jealous the skiing has taken over as the main attraction at the x-games!





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Mar 21 2004 1:48PM
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Mattman
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I agree with Liam A lot!

I was really happy when spike TV had the US Open freeskiing on. This is what I'm talking about.

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Mar 21 2004 1:53PM
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JibbaJabba
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'i realize skiing is cooler because there are no posers, skiers only go buy twin tips when they learn 360's and rail slides'

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. O MY GOD. HAHAHAHAHA.
Mar 21 2004 2:02PM
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SmoKinSkier
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^ Yea def not true posers are become more prevalant in skiing too its bound to happen though...besides i can do a railslide w/o my twin tips and all this bullshit about copying is ridiculous b/c we are both on the same damn mountain on the same terrains its bound to look somewhat alike and each sport has its own uniqueness and for any snowboarder to use the word copy is pretty ironic considering they came onto ski slopes with their boards, so any snowboarder who says we r copying should feel stupid b/c SKIING WAS 1ST...So lets shut up and progress giving each other props not hate




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Mar 21 2004 2:12PM
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Jib_This
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downey, that guy from vermont, and mommy get it.



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Mar 21 2004 2:15PM
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Stryken
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Copying clothes and shit happens. Just because we are on skis doesn't mean we want to wear tight as shit that looks awful. Gimme a break.

For the most part, the losers on boards that make fun of skiers are the ones that really suck. Don't hate the good boarders, cause most of them respect skiing and think it is cool as well.

Both sports also have reached new standards in different aspects. You can't compare snowboarding and skiing in an athletic sense, it doesn't work that way. Fashion is fashion, that is the only comparison.

And yes....sliding rails is harder on skis. I've had snowboarders tell me I'm crazy just for doing it on a 30 foot flat rail. But don't hate.


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Mar 21 2004 3:49PM
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you are soooo right.
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Mar 21 2004 3:53PM
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whoever said snowboarders don't bus tout in the park? man hit up tremblants south park, there are likt consistently snowboardesr throwing cork 7's and throwing 9's, and with tons of style, and skiers still aren't there yet, and with rails? 5050's are easy yes, but frontboards? and all the other tech tricks on snowboards? crook press/ nose press? skiers can't do that, snowboarders kill us on rails, so like man snowboarding is just as cool as skiing in my opinion, il ike htem both just the same, it just so happens i ski.

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Mar 21 2004 3:53PM
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Mustafa
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What i can't stand is no skilled snowboarders clogging up the park and just riding down the rails, and thinking they are so great. Thats what pisses me off.
Mar 21 2004 4:34PM
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aclsarescary
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a lot of you guys have it wrong about snowboarders, for one there are alot of posers but alot of the kids you see in the park are just white trash kids that think it would be fun to run around the terrain park falling they don't have any interest in progressing they are just in there having fun, a lot of skiers at the local hills dont get park skiing thats why there arnt a lot of little poser kids that skiing in the park. There usually the same amount of snowboarders that through down as there are skiers.
Whoever said that the boarders are jealous that we have proggressed so quickly is wrong, a lot of the guys that rip think skiing is awsome but they also think that skiing will die because it has progressed so quickly and personaly I agree that the sport has progressed to quickly, thats why I don't think there are as many pros in our industry. all the top pros keep progressing at huge strides year after year but alot of kids don't proggress as fast as the pros so that leaves a big gap between the people that watch ski videos and the ones in them, also the pro snowboarders are stocked on skiing because they see the pro skiers skiing, but the local boarder that rips on skiing rips on it because all lot of guys are not as consistant at the local resort(with the exception of resorts such as mammoth, vail, whistler, etc) you'll have a couple guys that throw down really well but the rest cant land stuff consistently.
Skiing is the best sport in the world in my eyes and I agree with the above character(Ldowney, mommy) we have not proggresed beyond snowboarders and I think it shouldn't come to soon that we surpass them.




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Mar 21 2004 4:42PM
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ECfreeski3
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mommy you have to be kidding
and impressing surfers and motoxers is not important, to whoever said that.

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Mar 21 2004 6:03PM
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J.D.
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Switch ons help us on rails... In fact, all switch tricks. On a SB it's like... sure, you're blind when you go switch backside, but you're not backwards. Anyways, I don't even copy other skiiers, let alone snowboarders.


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Mar 21 2004 6:19PM
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airstylentfischer23
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wtf, were to different sports so we shouldnt be bitching about one another. skaters and skateboarders dont talk shit about each other, so why should we?
Mar 21 2004 6:23PM
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^ yeh they do, skateboarders and skaters always talk shit, read a skateboard mag





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Mar 21 2004 6:24PM
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airstylentfischer23
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wtf, were to different sports so we shouldnt be bitching about one another. skaters and skateboarders dont talk shit about each other, so why should we?
Mar 21 2004 6:30PM
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^really?
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Mar 21 2004 8:12PM
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freerider54
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What have we come to in all of these sports? I have met alot of dudes that say that all of the sports have gotten out of hand with posers. Snowboarding included. All of the sudden its the cool thing to do. You know you have troubles when justin timberlake is learning to snowboard and moto. It's not times like these when you find out who the leaders of the sport are. It's when the shit gets unpopular,like in the late 80's when skateboarding wasn't chill anymore. Do you think the real skaters gave a fuck? Hell no. Because it wasn't about that. It was about having a good time with your friends and going to a dried out pool or a bowl somewhere. We'll see who the real athletes are when the chips are down and the sponsorships are leaving. That's when progession happens and thats what all of these sports have been about from day one.
Mar 21 2004 8:13PM
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sean_wins
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Snowboarders are cool, and obviously we do copy each other every once in a while because we ride the same mountains like that one kid said. WHO CARES?!

We should all redirect our hate to where it is really due >>>>>>>>>> SKIBLADERS



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Mar 21 2004 8:33PM
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Switchin_Dirty
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we copy them, but were still better! skiing kills it, so much more is going on, snowboarding is all the same!
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Mar 21 2004 9:17PM
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LDowney
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No, No. Snowboarding is the dope shnizzle. if you can't respect how sick snowboarding is right now then you are either in denial or you just have no concept of what is happening in winter sports. If I thought that skiing sucked I would quit, but it is pretty uneducated to claim that snowboarding is falling off the bandwaggon when we're still tagging behind under the misconception that we are inventing all of the tricks which are going down in skiing these days. We may have been here first, but there is no need to be getting all high and mighty, because if you want to compare the 2, we are still getting our asses kicked at our own game.



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Mar 21 2004 9:47PM
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jtski
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i dont know about that..skiing is still a small level behind snowboarding but not that much more..

after this year or next they will be on the same playing field.



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Mar 21 2004 9:56PM
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strode
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^yah.....watch sb vids from even from like two years ago and compare them to even the newest ski vids. you think pep and boronovski hittin a rail off a roof is sick? watch some mf gap over an entire roof.....to backside board.....in night of the living shred



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Mar 21 2004 9:58PM
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albatross.
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haha, yeah, skiers take from snowboarders and snowboarders take from skiers. The basis of snowboarding is taken from skiing, newschool is largely based on snowboarding. Im glad they take this standpoint, as many seem to be relating skiing to rollerblading.
Mar 21 2004 11:08PM
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sim
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Plus, watch like soooo many riders take it to the monster table in Superpark 4, oohh wait that never happened. I dont see how it can be said that the athletes 'havent stepped it up enough' when, clearly, some have. Perhaps you need to better explain this.

For sure we are still behind in many aspects, especially in style, but maybe some of you arent giving skiing the credit it deserves at this point, but there is still tonnes of work to be done and things to be learned. A good start would be for pipe skiers to learn to hit both walls.



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Mar 21 2004 11:57PM
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oOOo
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when I switched back to skiing again after 11 years boarding I just wore the same baggy pants and shit that I wore boarding and I think its the same for a lot of people so for sure the fashion came from snowboarding. As for style when riding, yea I think a lot of it came from boarding, everyone skiis with a fat stance nowadays but skiing has developed its own style above and beyond snowboarding because there are so many more ways to cross, grab and tweak with two skiis on that one board. Both are dope but skiing is way too much fun right now to ever go back to snowboarding whatever the style!
Mar 22 2004 4:14AM
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nca777
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OMG,

Just look at water polo. They are so far beyond us. But if our progression is progressing quicker than progress in water polo progressed progressively, we should be able to tread water for at least ten minutes straight this year!! (wait a second, wrong forum.)



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Mar 22 2004 8:59AM
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Hctiws_iks
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They both are amazing, yea, snowboarders may have a little jump on us, becase it became more well known much sooner, but they aren't the same sport and therefore there is no close comparisons between the two really available,
how can you say 'well skiiings better cause butters are harder on skis,' sure it may be harder, but its different, snowboarders i know can do the most nuts butters, and they're not even that good as snowboarders go.
Point being, in one part a trick may be harder than the other sport, but the other sport may be able to do more with this one trick, you cant say that one is better than the other, they are incomparable in terms of trick progression,
But snowboarding has much more time to develope jibbing, park etc. wise and has more people doing than what we do, so they have had more time to focus on where snowboarding is going.
This is the one way snowboarder kills us right now,
everything they do is more refined, more perfected.
Skiing is already headed that way, with this style movement, which is great for the sport.
But it wont go on forever, people will begin to look at another way to set their skiing apart from others, ie creativity or whatever.





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Mar 22 2004 10:46AM
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they are sick if you are sick
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My conclusion is that we should all put some seeds under the ground in some hot country(like mine,where the heat is too hot to move 3 feet away from the swimming pool)and just let it grow,because when i get old i wanna get stoned,but in order to get high i need to improvise some techniques for the growth of pot.
Mar 22 2004 10:50AM
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JibbaJabba
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i dig snowboarding and all, but jesus some people worship it. Even Liam, a very sick skier, is sucking snowboardings dick. Fuck, if you want to snowboard, then snowboard. Don't ski and talk shit about it while praising snowboarding, it doesn't make sense.
Mar 22 2004 12:54PM
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