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If you're one of those kids learning to skate.. don't buy Trs alphas.. i bought trs alphas and then eventually bought these and they're like 30 times better.. or if you are not a new skater then you already know that these are good. The frames are Ground Control i think the dual injections they are decently expensive and still like new a little bit of grinding but mostly on little pvc rails.. the wheels are not the stock razor wheels they are some old Franky Morales wheels a little worn but i know kids that use even smaller wheels. The liners are the stock jug's they had this retarded neoprene ankle strap that did nothing but itched and made you sweat so i cut it out.. i barely used them they don't smell at all and could be cleaned up real good. I want $100 shipped. Or i'll take like 60 and a NEW or LIKE NEW crowbar lens not a peice of shit persimmon i'll take a hi yellow or blue or pink irid... Or if you have any good offers let me know i don't want your piece of shit ipod or anything only snow related offers.