SECRETARY OF DEFENSE DONALD RUMSFELD IS PROUD TO BE THE BIGGEST DOUSCHE BAG EVER!

^i tried to say this but i don't think smokin skier got it.
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I see that thats ur view but neither of you have told me what event provoked 9 11 u just say it was provoked please explain i disagree and neither of your arguments has done n e thing to persuade me please explain?




To all the Killaz and the $100 Dolla Billaz.....Midwestskier.com

smokin skier, you know what a Banna Republic is? (other than a clothing store)

we have a history of goin into atleast sumwhat ok countries and taking out their leaders only for our economic advantage and installing oppressing dictators that favor our countries economic intrests. This has happened alot in south america in the 70s and 80s. it has alos happened in the middle east...


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Sounds intersesting but never happened in Afghanastan where al qaidia was based and they clearly state they are against our western culture and attitude. IM NOT trying to say the US is a pure country we do alot of shady things and have many hidden agendas but dont be so naive in your attacks to asume that this doesnt happen in other countries such as france or any country. It seems some people (and im not accusing n e one on this site) are so gung ho on protesting against the US they fail to see many of the good we do> i.e we are the first to provide aid in time of crisis to any country, we are the biggest support and largest troop force to help the UN. but thank you jarros for the fact i will look into that more




To all the Killaz and the $100 Dolla Billaz.....Midwestskier.com

I told you, you aren't aloud to talk in this fucking thread any more...

All you've done is change the topic, put words in to my mouth and the mouths of others, and make the most far fetched, illogical analogies I've ever heard on this forum.











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Smokey, this is bowling, not Nam. There are Rules.

Did ya hear that hes not allowing me to post in his thread n e more i must have struck a nerve somewhere i am honestly just posting now becuase you dont want me to!! Its one of those great constitutional rights CALLED FREEDOM OF SPEECH you dont like it dont read it but as far as im concerned this is a public thread and ill post when i feel like it! Make a cult for tight ass whiny bitches and dont let me in then u never have to hear from me




To all the Killaz and the $100 Dolla Billaz.....Midwestskier.com

I didn't bother to read the first page. Is there anyone left whose actually thinks the war was (is) a good thing?
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a little off topic here, but whatever. i always find it interesting how people argue that the US liberated Iraq from saddam and his brutal regime, when the US was supplying inteligence and resources to saddam while he was gassing his own people, as well as giving him a shitload of weapons to use against iran.

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Calm down B wald at no point was i directly attacking you people got to stop taking stuff so personal...I was just stating that alot of ppl who think the US is decitful and shady do not realize that that is how the world runs all countries have their flaws. Will you not agree that there is more than one shady country in the world?




To all the Killaz and the $100 Dolla Billaz.....Midwestskier.com

Jibtech, if you're going to tell someone that they are ignorant and shouldn't speak, you can't just leave it at that, you have to give a reason and show their ignorance. Although i dont agree with smoking skiier, i currently have a little more respect for him because he's not arbitrarily telling people that they have no right to post anything.

Anyways, onto the issue, i have heard from afgani people myself that the reason 911 happened, was that Saddam Hussein had issues himself against the United States, and used religion to get followers and plan out an attack. He made people believe that the United States was in violation of their religion and they were his to use. If people are such fanatics about their religion, it is very easy to use them.

Comparing whites hating blacks in the slavery days to middle eastern terrorists isn't quite fair. Whites believed that they were truly superior and that blacks were an inferior race thats purpose was to serve whites. I don't think there's anything suggesting that middle eastern terrorists are superior to americans and that therefore americans should automatically be hated. Sure, some people will automatically hate america, but do you really think it will be enough to spend your life trying to destroy america? probably not. Terrorism against america will most likely be a result of provocation, or being persuaded that america is fundamentally evil because of a violation of religion.
i slept with your mom last night

Exactly and i see what your saying and honestly i dont even know where i was going with the slavery issue i guess an analogy gone bad but i think if they are trained religously to hate americans there is no diplomacy to solve that. IT would be like trying to convince a catholic jesus doenst exist. These people believe their releigion wants them to hate the US and attacks will occur provoked or unprovoked. My thought is why not attempt to fight it! Im not saying Bush has been a perfect President but i would rather have a president that would error on the side of the offensive than one who would rather please the rest of the world!




To all the Killaz and the $100 Dolla Billaz.....Midwestskier.com

I don't think that every middle easterns religion is teaching them to hate america, just the terrorists probably. maybe that was what you were saying, and it that case my bad.

I do think that we really need to get the UN to look into the terrorist problem, rather than the US wasting resources on a huge problem that faces the whole world. We've spent billions of dollars going into countries like Iraq that if they were imminent threats at all(rumsfield has left us confused on that one), should be dealt with UN support, or at least without opposition.

Terrorism is, however, not as big of a threat as it seems. A lot of media hype and the fact that americans are victims have put terrorism in the front of our minds, while there are many other pressing problems in the world.
i slept with your mom last night

they are trained to hate US
beause they are hte cause of milions of death irakis because of there sanctions with the UN
because they support Israel and Saudi King and stuff like this...
You know why saddam attaked Koweith? because he borrow $ to them because US were pushing him to buy weapons to fight against Iranians and he was broke so the only solution was to invade Koweit....
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Kuwait?

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and you Jibtech represent about 1/50,000,000 of the vote. I'm sure you're going to do a lot with that one vote...if you do vote. You probably won't though, you'll be too busy argueing politics in a forum. now, before you get all stupid...listen up...***the people who make the decisions (either democrat or republican) know a WHOLE lot more than you do. You only know what you've been told.***



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JIBTECH... yay. jibtech.... he is providing you guys with QUOTES on how misleading you country is to you, and you just turn a blind eye to it. You need to realize that everything your parents taught you is not right.... for the good of the entire world, please expand look at bush for who he is, look at him as pros and cons.... the world needs bush out of office...

an eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind... ghandi was brilliant

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'I think that gay marriage is something that should be between a man and a woman,' -a certain California governor
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Tell ya the truth, i dont think canada is safe. We stll have a major force in afghanistan, and we have been involved in every single peace-keepin mission, in which 80% of them have been associated with muslims.



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'10$ for the bible?! How much for the koran?'-karl

^^ Dude thank you cannonrider.. I started this thread about the deception that lead us into the war in Iraq.

People started coming in all over from fucking left field, equating black slavery in the US to our current situation with global terror... come on, get fucking real.










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Smokey, this is bowling, not Nam. There are Rules.

So you are saying relating history to the present has no validity?

I'm just wondering.

Why was America also looked down upon when they were once isolationist?

Interesting, so you are saying politicians lie?


signatures are for pussies

no. I'm not saying relating history to the current situation has no validity. I'm saying relating black slavery in the US to modern global terror has absolutly nothing to do what so ever with the original topic of discution.

Wether or not America was looked down upon for Isolationism is kind of vauge. Regardless, America went to fight in world wars 1 and 2 because there were ACTUALY LEGIT global security concerns.

It wasn't our President making claims on inteligence that had already be proven as false.

We know long before september 11th the bush administration was planing for a war with Iraq and the subsequent occupation of the country. That decision having been made, he ran a campaign of misinformation and distorting inteligence, of hype and hysteria that led America into an unnecessary war.

He ignored reports from wepons inspectors, over rode objections from our allies, and overruled dsissenting views of our inteligence agencies. All in all its cost Hundreds of american lives, left thousands wounded, and untold numbers of Iraqi civilians dead. Oh and it had a nice price tag of over 100 billion dollars.

Before the war the prsident was repeatedly told there was no definitive evidence that Iraq possessed wepons of mass destruction. HE KNEW IRAQ WAS NOT A NUCLEAR THREAT. HE KNEW THERE WAS NO CONNECTION TO 9/11.

Bush claimed Iraq could not account for massive stockpiles of biological weapons, citing a prominent Iraqi defector WHO ACTUALY CONTRADICTED BUSH'S CLAIM! Bush made his claim durring a speach on october 7th 2002. The defector Hussein Karnal actualy told UN officials that all such weapons had been destroyed after the first gulf war, according to the transcript of his UN debreifing.

Bush emphatically stated that Iraq possessed 'dispersed' and 'weaponized' chemical weapons, DISPITE a report from his own Defense Intelligence Agency that 'there is no reliable information on wether Iraq is producing and stockpiling chemical weapons...' The presidents statement was made on 2/8/03 in a national radio address, long after the DIA's contrary assessment was made the previous September.

The president flatly stated that Iraq had purchased auminum tubes to be used for enriching uranium, when this erroneous view had ALREADY been disputed by top government technical experts. Bush's claim was made during his 10/07/02 speach. The dissent by top technical experts at the Department of Energy was publicly disclosed by former UN weapons inspector David Albright two months earlier.

Bush also claimed in his 2003 state of the union address that Iraq tried to purchase yellowcake uranium in Niger, even though the CIA had sent two memos to the white house 3 months earlier, raising SERIOUS DOUBT as to the validity of that claim.

Bottom line is Bush fought this war for his own reasons whatever those reasons might be. But I'm not here to talk about that.











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Smokey, this is bowling, not Nam. There are Rules.

smokinskier admitted that his analogy for slavery was a bad one, so no need to talk about that. I agree with most of the stuff you said, and you did a good job of making it clear that Bush screwed up bad.
i slept with your mom last night

Im not trying to tell you there wasnt mistakes made but you make Bush out to be some kind of terrorist ....Saddam has killed hundreds of thousands of his own ppl for no fuckin reason but you say for goin after Saddam and doin what he believed in Bush should be removed from power ironic how you think a person who does evil deads should be removed from power because that is what bush did with saddam!and just to let you know THE WAR HAPPENED EVEN THOUGH U ARE AGAISNT IT NO ONE IN THE GOVERNMENT GIVES A FUCK WHAT ANY OF US THINK NOT REPUBLICANS NOT DEMOCRATS NOT SENATORS NOT GOVENORS NOT THE FUCKIN SECRATARY OF N E THING SO STOP FUCKIN CLAMING BUSH IS GOIN TO END THE WORLD IF U DONT LIKE HIM VOTE FOR THE FREAK ASS JOHN KERRY AND MAY GOD HAVE MERCY ON OUR SOULS IF HE BECOMES OUR LEADER




To all the Killaz and the $100 Dolla Billaz.....Midwestskier.com

HAHAHAHAHA Dude are you fucking serious?!?!?!










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Smokey, this is bowling, not Nam. There are Rules.

no, he hasnt killed hundreds of thousands of people. Those mass buriel grounds that were found near baghdad were from a bloody revolution, and uprising which saddam had very little to do with until the end, and the US and Iran are hugely responsible for.
The kurds he killed 10's of thousands yes, but turkey, saudi arabia, russia etc, killed way more. You dont hear about that, because we are 'allies' with the biggest oil producer in the world, who is also the biggest supplier of terrorism in the world. Do you remember those blacked out pages from the terrorist report, those were all from saudi arabia.



I like my women, like i like my coffee. Grinded up and put in the freezer.
'10$ for the bible?! How much for the koran?'-karl

I remember that americans bombed a 'bioweapon factory' somewhere and it turned out to be a soap factory. They didn't do shit for recoinnasance(spelling?) and still bombs away. That seems to be the american solution to everything. Bush thinks (well all the presidents have thought) that they are the police of the world. They have to be in total control:they go to war,and ask help from France,they deny any help,and suddenly,the French are terrorist protectors. I just don't get the point. Why destroy? I've seen clips of american soldiers walking down the streets of Baghdad and while pedestrians are throwing rocks at them:'Hey! We are americans! A-me-ri-cans! We are here to help you!' But seriously,how many countries has the US really helped and not brought destruction and terror?

I'm not sure if this is true or not,but Osama Bin Laden's group was trained by the CIA to fight some other group/land. So even the 9/11 incident is partly America's own fault.

What I'm trying to say here,is that even though America is the richest country in the world(not sure either,sorry) it doesn't mean that it has to go in every small situation,a war,a battle,even the smallest conflict. Leave things be,let people handle their own business. I'm guessing the war in kosovo is also been tampered by the US. Where the hell could these poor,poor people get their hands on weapons of mass destruction,except from great nations,that smell profit in war. In the end,it is all about the money.

I am very sorry Jibtech if this doesn't go with the thread,but I hope someone knows what I am saying.
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may god have mercy on our souls if john kerry becomes our president... because? Could you explain excactly why democrats (everyone said 'thank god gore wasn't president during 9/11') are the anti-christ?

hes resigning. bush confirmed it.

this threads so old why not just make a new thread

too lazy.

Because Smokinskier's posts are so difficult for me to read that it makes my eyes bleed, if he insists on posting again I will personally delete every post I ever see him make for the rest of his stay here is Newschoolers.

And because I think your a douche...and your name is retarded.