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Me and my set-up vs. my landlord

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connoroh
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So me and my friend built a small set up in the backyard of the house that I rent while at school.

The landlord came over today to do landlordy things, and apparently freaked out about it, saying it had to be taken down for legal issues blah blah blah.

I'm wondering if anyone has a good idea of how to work this out with him cause i really need this in my yard, since i barely get to ski while i'm at school.

I fucking hate legal issues like this, i'm clearly not going to sue my landlord if i break my leg on something I built on his property.

UGH.


k for legit answers. thanks.
Nov 4 2009 7:26PM
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BlizzardMan
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uhh i got nothin to help with the legal issues, but building a drop-in out of wood works great if thats your last resort

GOOD LUCK

Nov 4 2009 7:30PM
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RJ_Res
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It would probably help us a bit if we had picks. Also, you could try and negotiate/ bargain with him. For example you could mow the lawn and you could keep the setup. Just little stuff like that.
Nov 4 2009 7:31PM
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skijunkiedtm
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thing is i think its not up to you if you sue if you get hurt but up to your insurance and he cant risk that.
Nov 4 2009 7:32PM
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jamodeo
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i dont really no if you can do much other than move it to another place thats what sucks about renting you have to abide by the rules or you aint got a house defiantly try to negotiated with him show him exactly what you are doing  and if hes chill he proly wont mind
Nov 4 2009 7:35PM
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Aguyluke
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usually insurance companies freak about stuff like it needs handrails and a ladder and stuff.  Make it look as injury proof as possible and just try to talk to the landlord asking what you should do to keep it.  Usually the safety precautions help alot  good luck
Nov 4 2009 7:36PM
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BWalmer
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The only thing I can think of is somehow work up some sort of waiver or clause in your lease that you can have it (you may have to pay for that though).
Nov 4 2009 7:37PM
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HangThePope
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You could always just build a setup that can be easily folded up and hidden away. That way your landlord never even has to know.
Nov 4 2009 7:38PM
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jibbnsteezy
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say its for school science. I dont know lol.
Nov 4 2009 7:40PM
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stickstompin
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Just read your lease and see what it says about building summer set-ups in the back yard, thats in all the leases ive signed. JK.  I guess if i doesnt say anything even close to bulding stuff or tramps or anything like that he cant forse u to remove it.  Just a guess though
Nov 4 2009 7:45PM
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connoroh
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to the first few comments about insurance with my injuries..

i live in canada, It wouldn't be a problem.
Nov 4 2009 7:52PM
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mackcamp
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Say "Its for a school project."
Nov 4 2009 7:56PM
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Moon_Park
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just pm J.D and ask him to call up your landlord and pretend to be your lawyer, saying that you will go all WME/SCOTT on his ass, if he doesn't stop advertising your product........hang on I think I've gone off track...............
Nov 4 2009 8:01PM
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Funnel
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Your landlord does not think you will sue him, he thinks your insurance company will sue him so that they're not paying your bills. That's how shit works these days.
Nov 4 2009 8:08PM
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connoroh
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so is there no way out of this?
Nov 4 2009 8:13PM
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PeterWojnar
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You can work out a contract and sign it, your signiture on a valid contract is in fact worth something, but the insurance company will try VERY VERY VERY HARD to get around it. That's how ski resorts get sued, when you buy your ticket and put it on, you acknowledge and comply with the stuff written on the ticket, which basically says skiing is a dangerous and potentially fatal sport, yadiyadida, but you still see lawsuits against ski areas all the time.

Nov 4 2009 8:17PM
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Fish_Sandwich.
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They will say the contract is invalid because you are already admitting to doing something wrong.  Just because a contract is signed doesn't mean much.
If you go out on snowmobiles on a guided tour and you sign a waiver saying you know he risks and all that, then get killed in an avvy, you will still be able to sue, the waiver won't hold up.  Unless it was like 100% obvious it was your fault.
Nov 4 2009 8:21PM
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connoroh
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In reality though, the only way my insurance company being involved would be if I myself involved them, no?

And also, me living in canada with free healthcare, why and how would insurance even get involved in the first place? i mean i don't have an income, so injury doesn't prevent me from making money.
Nov 4 2009 8:21PM
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TimmyP
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I had a trampoline and had to take it down.  The wife of the landlord was an insurance agent.
Nov 4 2009 8:24PM
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jblaski
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Go talk to your landlord. Like, a calm sitdown talk. Explain what it's for, and how you use it. Offer to do duties around the place as a bargain tool (mowing, shoveling, etc) Most importantly, you have to act like an adult. You can't get pissed if he doesn't back down. In my experience, the better the relationship with the landlord, the more forgiving they are.
Nov 4 2009 8:25PM
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Funnel
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If insurance has to pay for something caused in result of that setup, they will sue the landlord. Once they pay, they will try and sue.
Nov 4 2009 8:29PM
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hey-dude-its-me
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You can probably download generic waiver forms on the internet saying that you assume all sick/responsibility. You don't need a lawyer or anything, any written/signed contract can be legally binding even if its written on a napkin in crayon.
Nov 4 2009 8:32PM
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4ss4ssin
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dude come build it in my back yard, my landlord is my housemates dad and he would for sure be down..i'm just across main on stroud
Nov 7 2009 3:06PM
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Malcolm
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wouldnt it be hard to sue if you were dead?
Nov 7 2009 3:17PM
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large.moose
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Nov 7 2009 3:40PM
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Triple_Strum
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Sorry  bro, unfortunately there is really nothing you can do about it.  I ran into this problem in college with a trampoline.  The problem is not that you could get hurt, but that someone could come along, climb on it, fall off, and sue your landlord.  Sounds ridiculous, but more ridiculous things have happened.  The only exception I could think of is to ask if you can put big signs on it that say you aren't responsible for people using it.
Nov 7 2009 3:52PM
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buddychaps
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this

tell him that you barely get to ski and that you are passionate about it and this is the only way you can ski
Nov 7 2009 3:56PM
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AA-Shred
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that and get it setup so you can take it down/put it up easily when you are using it, that way it eliminates most of the risk of someone-else hurting themselves.

but other than that, just talk to your landlord, and reason and compromise with him. Good luck.
Nov 7 2009 5:21PM
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Fish_Sandwich.
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So by your logic once somebody dies nothing can be done.....lolcats

Families sue the ones responsible on the behalf of the deceased.  Well, not even on their behalf, just because people love lawsuits and sometimes they deserve compensation for the death of another.
Nov 7 2009 5:26PM
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WVskiing
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disclamer?
Nov 7 2009 5:29PM
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superpoluha
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make a portable setupp so you can put it up, ride, and take it out for a day so he dosent see it, but thaat would be uber hard to do the only way to get around this legally is if you make an official release form.. like they do in elementary school when kids go on a field trip
Nov 7 2009 5:29PM
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ski@jaypeak2
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I think this is the easiest thing to do.  Or if you have any friends with a yard you could set it up there
Nov 7 2009 6:14PM
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Swaggermager
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This is definitely pissing you off but last year my ski coach was told by THE CITY that he needed to take his setup down or he would get sued so its not like a rare thing but it sucks.
Nov 7 2009 6:19PM
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Mr.Huck
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Where was your coach's setup?  To thread creator.  I'd get creative and figure out a way to make it collapsible.  Someone posted some drawings for a folding dropin.  I think you might be able to keep it concealed and just break it out when you want to session it.  What the landlord can't see can't hurt him. 
Nov 7 2009 7:44PM
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TimmyP
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The same thing happened to me at school.  And yes people did jump on it absolutely hammered.  It finally broke when some kid jumped out of a window onto it. 

But the idea of making it collapsible sounded  feasible.  I' don't think they would look twice at a pile of wood with a tarp over it. 
Nov 7 2009 10:02PM
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erikK
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Try to make it as accident proof as possible.  like rails that are low to the ground and nothing super sketchy on the drop in or whatever.  maybe make it so you can put it away when not in use?
Nov 7 2009 11:36PM
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Swaggermager
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it was a drop in off of his roof but it was in his back yard
Nov 8 2009 3:27PM
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dubaiski
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try to make it look as legit as possible. Sand splintering wood, hammer in nails as far in as they go. Try to eplain to him that you have your din settings on really low that will mean that it is uber safe because it is less likely that you will break a leg.

thats the best help i can lend you, hope you manage to convince him.

Nov 8 2009 3:40PM
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DHogg
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America and their constant need to sue people.....Whats with that?

Such a stupid corporate culture.


Nov 8 2009 3:45PM
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DirtyMick
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I dunno. Ask WME or SCOTT USA.

They obviously know.
Nov 8 2009 4:08PM
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3R1C
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make a deal with him like mow his grass or clean something
Nov 9 2009 9:02PM
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ReetsAdeets
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Just have everyone who uses it sign a waiver that states that any and all injuries, property damage, ect. will be paid for by the user, and said landlord will not be held liable for any foreseeable and unforeseeable injuries, deaths, or property damage under any circumstances.
Nov 9 2009 10:22PM
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-fungus-
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IMO, best bet would be to, like others have said before me, try to negotiate with him/her, offer to mow the lawn or something else around the property that they have to hire someone to do normally or they themselves have to do... also try to make the setup as compact as possible to make it seem like u aren't completely taking up the property or whatever, which it may seem like in the eyes of ur landlord
Nov 9 2009 10:27PM
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brennanmidwest
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my lease says no rails or jumps in the yard, but she doesnt come around very often so i dont think it would be a huge deal
Nov 9 2009 10:28PM
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lineskier10
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do not believe anything about waivers that these tards are telling you, this is NS not Harvard Law, just hide it when you aren't using it
Nov 9 2009 10:35PM
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K.C.Deane
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READ THIS!!!  I had to sue my landlord in August and I won.  So I had to do a shitload of research to prepare

Heres the deal.  Look at your lease. See if there is anything saying that if you are hurt on the property that you cannot sue your landlord. I had that in my last lease.  Also, if he just randomly showed up to do shit at the house. Thats fucking illegal, a landlord must give 24 to 48 hours before showing up. And you can refuse him the right to step foot on his property even though you are renting it.  So you can mention that to him and tell him to get fucked on that note, and then possibly point out that if you do not alter the house, you can do whatever you want.
Nov 9 2009 11:55PM
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Pwn.Mode
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yeah thats correct. basicly unless he's got in the lease you can't do it you're renting the property and it's fair game if he wants to be a huge dick about it tell him he's breaking the lease and you're leaving then find somewhere that's not gay to live.
Nov 10 2009 12:36AM
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ChronicLines
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Our lease said no trampolines or hot tubs, but nothing about mini ramps.
Nov 10 2009 3:35AM
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mski
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sign a liablity contract for it, or make your jib area colapsable
Nov 10 2009 4:42AM
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Mr.Capone
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I didn't read this whole thread so this probably redundant, but all you gotta do is sign a liability contract (like the dude above me said), and also sign a contract that says you'll pay for any damages done to the property (like the grass). Then just explain your situation to your landlord in a kind and innocent way, pray, and hope he's not a giant douche

good luck!
Nov 10 2009 5:27AM
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connoroh
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Thanks for all the input.

Now i have to get over the language barrier. Not to mention he's one of the less mentally inclined person's i've come into contact with.
Nov 10 2009 10:45PM
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