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Who would you consider to be the most IMPORTANT person in history?

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anxju
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new thread, last one was a fail

person must be identifiable, for example, no saying "the guy that invented the wheel!"

interesting discussion in Latin today, i would rank em

Jesus
Alexander the Great
Caesar
George Washington
Buddha
Ovid


other names that came up were gandhi, hitler, FDR, etc etc
Nov 3 2009 6:03PM
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Arabian.
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and Jesus was a cosmic Jewish zombie, and moses went swimming and walked around a bunch.
Nov 4 2009 2:02AM
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yellav
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anyone who says anyone besides these homies is very wrong




Nov 4 2009 2:04AM
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Mr.Panda
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I am incredibly sorry andy, I couldn't resist.
Nov 4 2009 2:05AM
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woolymammoth
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Well that isn't the argument, but can't you essentially do the same thing with any believer of religion. I believe that there is a magic man in the sky because it was written in an old book that a lot of people have read.

or even simpler. I believe in (insert belief system) because i read a popular old piece of writing
Nov 4 2009 2:15AM
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Doug.
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shane mcconkey
Nov 4 2009 3:05AM
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Freeskim@n
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Alexander the great

Gengis Kang

Gandhi

Martin Luther-King

Shane

The shamwow guy

Nov 4 2009 7:19AM
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KarmaInitiative
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JACK BAUER

but searously jesus einstein darwin, those guys at cern that invented the internet are pretty cool too
Nov 4 2009 9:09AM
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reverendwrong
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Shane McConkey /thread
Nov 4 2009 9:11AM
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dbstar
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i find it funny that so many people are trying to find the most obscure person possible, like lao tzu and buddah those guys really didnt do that much for western culture and up until now its western culture thats run the show
Nov 4 2009 9:15AM
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lineskier10
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since when does being insane make you not eligible for being the most important person in history, im pretty sure half the people on this list have one form of mental illness or another
Nov 4 2009 10:38AM
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AgentOrange11
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alexander was important because his empire spread the greek art and culture all over europe and asia
Nov 4 2009 10:45AM
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andersteeze
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Will Ferrel or Garret Russel
Nov 4 2009 11:27AM
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Travapple.
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mcconkey.
Nov 4 2009 11:28AM
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Big5hifty
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pretty much sums it up right there
Nov 4 2009 12:52PM
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anxju
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its western culture that runs YOUR show.... there are more than 1.5 buddhists alive today, he really did influence way more than youve ever seen, probably because youve never been outside of the western hemisphere, and if you did, you probably when to europe


also, id like to add that im glad that this is an actual intellectual conversation instead of the normal random stupid shit that comes up in nsg followed by unfunny internet memes

and theres really no right answer, i could think for a month and not come up with an answer
Nov 4 2009 1:20PM
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r5tommy
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Bill Murray
Nov 4 2009 1:28PM
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NW_Rider
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As far as U.S. history goes, has anyone mention John Locke yet? Our Constitution is pretty much plagiarized from his Second Treatise of Government and Letter Concerning Toleration... minues the whole anti Catholics and Atheist part.

World history though, that's really tough. Definatley would have to say Jesus is up there. Different time periods different people I guess. If you delve into the 20th century, you have a slough of people from Nasser, Hitler, Lenin, Noriega, Arafat, MacArthur, Mao, Bin Laden, GWB, the list goes on...
Nov 4 2009 1:32PM
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skier_boy26
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The combination of clerestory and pendentive (which in itself is a massive triumph) is fucking ridiculous, and helps to establish the sense of a big-ass floating dome, which is one of the reasons, amongst many, why that building is so incredibly badass.

Speaking of byzantine art, you guys lookin at metochites and shit at all? His patronage of the arts was crazy, and chora will make you explode the mosaics are that amazing.
Nov 4 2009 3:48PM
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hey-dude-its-me
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Ts'ai Lun....


anyways my top 5 would be:
1. Muhammad
2. Jesus
3. Confucius
4. Newton
5. Einstein
Nov 4 2009 4:16PM
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Flo_Rida_2016
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andrew, its easily jesus.

Modern history is much more important than ancient history because the substance of ancient history is now extinct yet the substance of modern history is still pushing forward.

That said, there is no person more influential to the way the modern world turned out than Jesus. Nearly everything can be derived to Christianity and ultimately Jesus. Yet, Jesus cannot be derived to anything other than God himself (and Mary of course, but not Joseph)
Nov 4 2009 5:35PM
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Flo_Rida_2016
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why would you put mohammad first? Jesus started the dominant and largest religion. Crusaders attacked the Muslims first. Also, in order for Muhammad to claim he was a prophet of god chronologically acknowledging Jesus, then the arabs in the area already believed in Christ. Thus, Muhammad can be derived to Jesus, but Jesus cannot be derived from Moses.

Why on earth would you include Confucius on that list? He has had a negligible influence on how society and civilization formed today. He was Chinese and all of his works were burned. How on earth could that influence the clearly more dominant force known as "the West."

My top 5 would be:
1. Jesus + disciples
2. Constantine
3. Martin Luther
4. John Locke
5. Einstein (manhattan project)
Nov 4 2009 6:52PM
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.Capn.
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1.5 buddhists? Yikes he really did have a huge influence. Jokes..

But abraham for sure. The abrahamic religions and their ideals are practically what every aspect of society is based upon right now.
Nov 4 2009 6:59PM
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NW_Rider
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MLK before John Locke? I would argue that without Locke's writings, MLK would have never had the platform to do what he did. Someone else may have done it eventually, but with out Locke I would say MLK may not be relevant.
Nov 4 2009 7:53PM
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Ben.
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ima agree with whoever said gutenberg.
Nov 4 2009 7:55PM
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PeterWojnar
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I understand that Eli Whitney was marginal, but he invented the cotton gin. At the time of it's invention, the industry of slavery was failing. Demand for the goods produced in the south was falling, and slavery was simply becoming too expensive to make sense. Then, here comes the cotton gin. It made cotton make sense, in large quantities. Slavery was virtually reborn by the cotton gin. Though no one can say what would have happened without it, the boom in slavery was caused directly by the newfound ease of de-seeding cotton with the cotton gin. So whether it was Whitney or someone else, the cotton gin was really responsible for slavery's comeback, and that's when the south began to be extremely dependent on it. And you won't disagree that the Civil War was fought over slavery, will you, even if there were other marginal issues?

Now I'm not saying Eli Whitney is solely responsible for the Civil War, he was definitely a contributor, and without his invention of the cotton gin, the war may have been put off for a bit longer, or avoided entirely.
Nov 4 2009 8:01PM
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G_1
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if you're going to mention locke though surely hobbes, machiavelli and aristotle deserve a mention also as they all contributed towards the way in which western society is constructed today
Nov 4 2009 8:09PM
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hey-dude-its-me
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It was close but I put Muhammad first for two reasons:
1. He did a lot more out side of just being a religious figure. And I feel like he did more during his actual life than Jesus did, most of Jesus's 'legacy' is after his death.
2. Over half the shit about Jesus isn't even true, and theres a possibility he never even existed...

Also, idk what you're trying to say about the Crusades. Who would the Christians have been fighting if Muhammad never existed? You can also credit him with every single other conflict/war based on religous differences whether Muslims vs Christians or Muslims vs Jews.




'Confucius has negligible influence on how society and civilization formed today'
Not going to dignify that with a response...

Nov 4 2009 8:14PM
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PAuL_Hellar
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whoever the first people to starts smoking weed were
Nov 4 2009 8:15PM
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NW_Rider
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True, but Locke was the first who really dove into public consent, protection of estates and property as a part of your being (Object+Your Labor =Your property). Hobbes was much more Authoritarian in his writings and Locke really tried to set a balance between liberty and security.
Nov 4 2009 8:20PM
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nasSKIIER
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HAIL HITLER!....im in an awesome mood today EVERYTHing has gone right..........................................




















































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Nov 4 2009 8:58PM
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Flo_Rida_2016
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1. The question is who was more important to history not who did more in his life.

Im saying the Christians set precedence with religious militance. Thus, Christianity drew the lines. Are you denying a Christian v. Jewish conflict in history? True or false: Christianity is bigger, and always has been, than Islam at any point in history?

Please, I'm interested in you "dignifying" me with a response. If you can use historical evidence to substantiate your apparent claim that Confucius had some influence in how the Modern World (namely Western civilization) developed please, I'm all ears. Yeah, you can show how Confucius' ideas might apply to the world today but how have they helped form it?


Nov 4 2009 9:02PM
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hey-dude-its-me
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go argue with your brother about something
Nov 4 2009 9:06PM
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Flo_Rida_2016
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that's what i thought.
Nov 4 2009 9:07PM
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soccalova123
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me because i have the largest penis in the world
Nov 4 2009 9:07PM
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anxju
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nice rebuttal

and mike, no alexander=no jesus

i know that you probably cant say well this caused this and without this that wouldnt have happened blah blah

but alexander connected the world and was the one who made it possible for trade, communication, etcetc
Nov 4 2009 9:08PM
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hey-dude-its-me
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you da man
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NUTSECKS
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PROBS ME BUT IDK LOL
Nov 4 2009 9:11PM
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hey-dude-its-me
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why aren't you watching the Red Sox game?
Nov 4 2009 9:19PM
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chicken
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thats a hard question, like there are so many different catagories...

Science- Issac Newton, Albert Einstein, Steven(sp?) Hawking
Politics- Thomas Jefferson, Che Guevara
Human rights- Mohandas (sp?) Ghandi, Martin Luther King Jr. Nelson Mandela
Arts- Pablo Picasso, Leonardo Da Vinci
Religion- Mohammed (sp? ) Jesus

I mean these guys are just who come to mind, If I had to pick one category it would probably be the science one because scientific advancement has brought our society the furthest ahead, industrial revolution kind of proving this.

sooooo

Newton?


Nov 4 2009 9:25PM
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G_1
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i don't disagree that locke was probably the most forward thinking in terms of todays state and therefore probably the most influential. was just saying that his argument must be taken into account with previous political philosipher's accounts of a state, ownership, legislation etc..
Nov 4 2009 9:25PM
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CKpolicy
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you must be dyslexic.
or you are not really asian. A-S-I-A-N.
Nov 4 2009 9:54PM
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Mr.Panda
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Siddartha
Abraham (me, ranting on Abraham earlier, was due to no sleep)
Muhammad
Richard the Lionheart
Salahadin
Mother Teresa

These next couple are going to be extremely controversial but you can't deny that what they did had an extreme effect on the course of history.

Karl Marx
Lenin
Stalin
Hitler
Mussolini
Pol Pot
Ho Chi Minh
Mao


I know it is a big list but I can't really pick one out.
Nov 4 2009 9:59PM
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NW_Rider
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Completely agree especially considering that Locke had access to read Plato, Hobbes and a few others where in contrast there is not evidence that some of the others were as well educated on other political philosophers. Not saying none of them read each other at all, because a lot of work is in response to another's, just that Locke has appeared to have had the most access to their literature.
Nov 4 2009 10:05PM
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Never_Better
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i think that "other guy"is Wallace. He came up with many of the same observations as Darwin. Wallace sent his studies and findings to several others, Darwin just happened to be one of those guys. Darwin then published a book. "The Origin of species" Wallace let Darwin publish the book under his name because Darwin was considered to have more knowledge then Wallace.
Nov 4 2009 10:07PM
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_steffen_
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Jesues
aristotle
glileo
shakespeare
john locke
Barbara Streisand
Nov 4 2009 10:09PM
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spliff.Life
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mac dre
Nov 4 2009 10:12PM
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Nov 4 2009 10:13PM
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PAuL_Hellar
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haha i was gunna say that but opted out of it
Nov 4 2009 10:14PM
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