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LEVEL 1/ JIBERISH COLLAB PRE-ORDER

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FreestyleSkier89
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http://www.level1productions.com/store.php





Just pre-ordered my team collab crew and collab hoodie both in xxl !




be easyy


hope its not a repost
Nov 2 2009 10:58PM
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JoshB
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I hate to correct you, but I feel the need to step in here, since the last thing I want is people thinking that Level 1, or Jiberish, for that matter, is making a pile of cash off of any of the items we/they sell.

If they were producing thousands of these hoodies and crews, I'm sure the production cost might go down to $15/$20, but thats just not the case. The reality of it is that production runs are exceptionally small, and for the unique fabrics and designs that we run with, the prices are extraordinarily high... we price our gear in order to cover our costs, and thats what its all based on.

I know for a fact that Jiberish hasn't made a red cent of profit at this point- they've worked their asses off for years, at other jobs, to put money into their line and their company, and are just trying to grow their business as best they can.

Honestly, the prices are fair, and comparable to what you'd pay for high-quality constructed, VERY limited-edition gear. If that's your thing, like I know it is for more then a few people out there, then go for it and pull the trigger, if not, that's completely understandable.

Either way, no one is ripping anyone off here... and for those purchasing Level 1/Jiberish, or Jiberish gear, its a great way to get some unique clothing that makes a statement, and supports some of the hardest working people in the industry. Not a bad thing...
Nov 3 2009 10:41AM
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Big_Spence
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lolz.
Then clearly they're paying the wrong people if they can charge $92+shipping for a flannel and not make any profit.
Nov 3 2009 10:51AM
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Mr_pretzel
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Is l1p safe cause their is no security or paypal could you guys tell me if their is security it is probaly legit but i dont want to get robed. thanks +k
Nov 3 2009 10:53AM
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Big_Spence
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Amall is beyond legit.
Nov 3 2009 10:54AM
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flatlineDude
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$110 for that fucking jungle cat ! no way
but it still really sick
Nov 3 2009 11:03AM
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DeathStar
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word em up berman
Nov 3 2009 11:06AM
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kthnxbai.
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since i suck at teh interweb searches can anyone link me to that video of Hornbeck wearing the 10th Anniversary Crew?  I couldnt find it in the older threads.  I think it looks sweet, go red sox!

As far as the rest of the stuff goes I think last year overall was better, but there are still some nice pieces in the new line.  They are very close to out of my price range.  I think im only gonna get 1 piece this year instead of 2 like I was planning.
Nov 3 2009 12:21PM
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danbrown
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http://www.vimeo.com/6109059
Nov 3 2009 12:26PM
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JoshB
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There's a lot more that goes into it then you would assume...

Imagine it costs $45 to produce some of these pieces (like I said, NOT cheap). If retail price is going to be $90 on those pieces, then most stores will only expect to pay a $45 wholesale price- that is how most retail locations operate, and leaves the company making the gear little if any markup ability.

Even if they were to be selling some of their gear direct, they need to cover the cost of the investment in producing the line, general business operational costs, a few hundred promo pieces that go out to athletes, industry folks, etc. A few years down the road these costs might be negligible, but for any small business its a process to get there... not to mention the fact that they're still in the process of trying to recoup over 5 years worth of time and money invested in starting a business. No small task!
Nov 3 2009 12:30PM
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mackinnon
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i don't see why people complain about jiberish prices when you can go on karmaloop and find MASS PRODUCED clothing for the same price, if not more. brands like obey, lrg, akomplice, etc all charge similar prices...quit bitching, jesus
Nov 3 2009 12:32PM
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WONTON
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how does newer XL jiberish stuff fit on someone whose 6'2"? I have an older xl hoodie from their first level 1 collab, and i know that stuff was bigger apparently? i like that fit. How do the old and new compare?
Nov 3 2009 2:43PM
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jksl
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seriously! i can't believe the amount of people bitching about the prices this year, it's always been like that. plus the fabrics they use for all their pieces are ridiculous and way different than any of those other companies you can find at karmaloop.

the flannels are NUTS...tall and slim, padded, burly, epic. pretty much a full on jacket, worth the $90.
Nov 3 2009 2:48PM
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207
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daaang, thats pretty steep but I want it. :P
Nov 3 2009 2:50PM
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SHampson
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Obviously not to some people here.  Like the other guy, I worked my ass off last summer in an onion packing plant doing hard labor all day.  I put sweat into that money, and part of that money went to two pieces of jiberish.  It's just annoying when you get these cliche remarks from people "oh it's way too expensive, but you're mommy and daddy are paying for it so it doesn't matter"  Maybe you should WAKE UP and realize that there are different people than you out there, that have different interests in clothing, and think it's worth their hard earned money to pay for jiberish.
Nov 3 2009 8:26PM
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factory81
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@JoshB


Where is this clothing made?
Nov 3 2009 8:57PM
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brennanmidwest
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that crew neck is so sick. i still think spending 70 dollars on that shit is ridiculous though. I also think that alot of kids on this site have a distorted view of how much 70 dollars is anyways considering how expensive ski stuff is

Nov 3 2009 9:03PM
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kthnxbai.
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gracias sir
Nov 3 2009 9:06PM
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Pmoore
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   Not if you are saving up your money just for jiberish. some people dont like wearing the same shit as everyone else.
Nov 3 2009 9:07PM
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Che~
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they are worth it, super legit
Nov 3 2009 9:10PM
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JoshB
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China.
Nov 3 2009 10:09PM
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B-runge
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dang you must be makin maaaaad profits.
Nov 3 2009 10:17PM
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THUGwife
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im happy to pay that price for jumpers that i think look sick especially if its supporting 2 legit companies.
Nov 4 2009 5:29AM
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jmBEERY
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im 5'4 and i want the new grey crewneck

but i dont know what size to get L or XL? (goin for the henrik look this year)

Nov 4 2009 9:24AM
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danbrown
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Since lawsuits are so hot right now, wouldn't you think Jiberish would be hesitant in calling their hoodie "Liquid Swords" ?

Maybe I don't know all of the details, but with everything happening lately, I could see an ensuing lawsuit with Wu-Tang corp. or an affiliate.
Nov 4 2009 11:36AM
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Wes-Side
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What size do you think Mike Hornbeck is wearing in that edit mentioned earlier? I think I'm looking for a similar baggy to that, nice but wearable off the hill and in town.
Nov 4 2009 11:48AM
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Big_Spence
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I think you would probably have to be the same size as Hornbeck for that method of estimation to be correct.
Nov 4 2009 12:07PM
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Wes-Side
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I'd say I think I'm pretty close to the same size as him, so yeeah...
Nov 4 2009 12:21PM
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factory81
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JoshB.

I admire Level 1 and Jibberish for trying to turn a profit here, but at $92 a hoodie, being made in China........something doesn't add up right.

This is pretty anal and all, but how much does it cost to make one of these? 333skis is willing to go down to the dollar + the cost of beer on how much skis cost to make.....are we just paying for brand name here?

Is there anything that really sets these hoodies apart quality wise? Waterproof wise, etc.

 I could careless if its super limited edition honestly. If you guys are trying to make money, you might not want to make it so limited so you can sell more than 500 hoodies @ 92.50 a pop.


Nov 4 2009 9:58PM
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Shlogan
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im hoping this means the acual line will drop soon.
Nov 4 2009 10:04PM
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jamodeo
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3xl i think i like last years color scheme on the crew
Nov 4 2009 10:05PM
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Keyjibbs
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Everything adds up read what Freelowda has wrote. Quality=price difference. A Fruit of the loom hoodie thats produced in the thousands out of cheap cotton is obviously going to cost less than a higher quality cotton that is produce in the hundreds. Jiberish is not an outerwear company they are a clothing company like Bape, Quiksilver, Nomis, etc. Honestly Jiberish isn't that expensive compared to other brands with the same kind of quality. Go to a boutique store and look at the price of the clothes there. Go look at Bape they charge $250 for a plain hoodie. Yes you're paying a premium for the brand name. So don't compare Jiberish to Quiksilver or Levi's. They are totally different brands with different markets. If you don't like the price don't buy it, it's that simple. I dare anyone to get a quote of cut n sewn clothes and get it for cheaper than jiberish and try to make a profit. I doubt you will unless your order like 5000 pieces of 1 item.
Nov 4 2009 10:11PM
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freelowda
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MY RESPONSE COPIED AND PASTED FROM OTHER THREAD:

As a counterpoint against your all out tear on their business, I will say this: You want transparency? Do you know how retail works? Say they produce a hoody in China (where about 75% of textiles sold in the US are made, along with India) at a rough cost of $35, which is fairly reasonable given the low production volume, along with their fabric, printing, and detailing. Now this hoody is sold to a store for a wholesale price of $45...and the store sells it for double on average...so $90, and Jiberish's profit there is $10. Tell me they are trying to scam the customer and make away with the loot! This is not a racket. Keep in mind that it only costs Red Bull 10 cents a can to produce, and we all know how much they are selling them for. Much bigger soft goods companies get away with cheaper price tags because of their massive volume and production, and this is what makes Jiberish stand out- They AREN'T Quiksilver or LRG, not every kid at the mall has their stuff. Sure it may appear as though they are competing at that level for a consumer's dollar, but that isn't the real case.

This is also a company that is deeply rooted in skiing. They give a lot back by supporting a talented team, and invest in video projects, art, events and music. I can also tell you from personal experience that they are extremely passionate about their quality and their customers, and are improving on that on a yearly basis. And I think that alone is a big for their current and continued success.


ADDING ON TO THIS: To answer a few of your concerns, Level 1 prices our collaboration apparel in accordance with Jiberish in order not to undermine or undercut their line, seeing as how it is made and branded by them. If you are interested in something cheaper and more basic there are t-shirts. And no the Jiberish pieces are not waterproof- they are not advertised to be technical garments, that is not where the quality lies. What sets them apart is the fact that they are custom designed and created by us and Jiberish in low numbers...is Jiberish interested in doing large production numbers for the masses? No, not only is the size of the company not prepared for that, but as I stated above- they want to make something that not every kid at the mall is going to be wearing.

I can certainly sympathize with you if the price is unaffordable, or if you don't like the product- those are certainly a valid opinions, but thats how it is. And of course the critisizm is appreciated, as we are doing everything within reach to meet the needs of you guys!


Nov 4 2009 11:22PM
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dodgeridge*rider
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i think jiberish should make a plain black pullover hoody with a jiberish logo on the front. nothing special but it would be sick. order a ton so there cheap and a ton of people will buy them for sure
Nov 5 2009 12:35AM
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Keyjibbs
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that pretty much goes against everything Jiberish stands for.
Nov 5 2009 12:46AM
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highaltNM
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just put my order in for the crewneck.  they were so cheap that i picked one up for my brother for christmas.

what the hell are you guys talking about with this whining about price?  what happened to "level 1 is badass" and "support the industry."  if you want to go to pacsun and shop with everyone else to get a shitty 60 dollar hoodie, have at it.  stop complaining to a company THAT DOESNT EVEN CLEAR A MILLION BUCKS IN REVENUE.  that fact that josh would log on and give you a REAL response should clear up any and all complaints.  what the hell is wrong with you people?

i went to college (graduated) and got a decent job so it doesnt break the bank when i want to spend a hundred bucks.  i assure you, my parents dont give me a dime.  all this hate and questioning over a damn hoodie?  this makes me want to get off of newschoolers.....
Nov 5 2009 10:34AM
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Peter.
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sweet claim bro
Nov 5 2009 10:39AM
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highaltNM
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someone's sarcasm detector is off today
Nov 5 2009 10:40AM
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danbrown
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Anyone?
Nov 5 2009 10:40AM
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doitbig
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5'7 135lbs...what size crew should i get? is a med really the size of a large in other companies?
Nov 5 2009 10:53AM
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Vebbi
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100 USD i not much, in norway jiberish hoodies costs 1200 NOK per hoodie. wich is 209 USD.
and if you thinks its too expencive, dont buy then.
Nov 5 2009 11:19AM
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Big_Spence
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Holy fuck.
I hope to God you didn't buy one.
Nov 5 2009 11:24AM
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Vebbi
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i orderd from abstract mall.
Nov 5 2009 11:26AM
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Big_Spence
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So you payed $209 American dollars for a sweatshirt? Plus shipping?
Nov 5 2009 11:36AM
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Vebbi
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no, i payed the the price at abstract mall. but if i had orderd the hoodie in norway i would have to pay 209 USD. i payed around 90 USD. when i order from abstract mall i pay the same as you have to pay. sorry, but my english sucks.
Nov 5 2009 11:41AM
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Big_Spence
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Hahaha oh okay good.
I was worried there for a second.
Nov 5 2009 11:52AM
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-ROY-
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quit hating on jiberish...if you dont wanna buy their stuff for any reason then dont. those prices are pretty good imo..
Nov 5 2009 12:52PM
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factory81
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I am not trying to knock Jibberish at all here. I think $92.50 is fine for a nice item. I am just trying to figure out are we paying for the name and this is literally damn near the same thing as a Nike or Reebok hoodie?
I know the answer is going to be like "not only is it better quality than Nike, but it is really limited edition stuff here".

I have no problem with Jibberish being mass produced btw. It should lower production costs for you, and you can charge us the same. As long as the quality stays the same.

What needs does the Jibberish hoodie fulfill that the "insert whatever brand here" doesn't fill? I guess thats a great question....
Nov 5 2009 1:42PM
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freelowda
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My point was that it's not some kind of racket as a few people seemed to have suggested. Jiberish just doesn't make clothing for the masses, it's all about supply and command, :) If you want to buy Nike, that's fine, it's completely a personal preference- no one here is trying to dictate your spending habits.
Nov 5 2009 1:50PM
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njwa88
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just ordered mine!!! Stoked! thanks for the link bro!
Nov 5 2009 1:57PM
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factory81
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Well I want to achieve baller status here in the skiing world....so it is a given I have to get my dirty filthy paws on this some how.......for less than $92.50 because I am part Jewish.
Nov 5 2009 1:58PM
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