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"Dub Cork" Illusion...?

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*Nefarious*
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So, nowdays quite a lot of skiers have "Double Corks" in their bag o tricks. However, I've noticed something, and the new video from the London Freeze big air confirmed this realization: I'm seeing increasing numbers of "Dub Corks" (usually forward 1080s and 12s) that are not in fact double corks. If you do a fully upright 7 into a late cork 3, that is NOT a double cork. Am I right? I hope judges notice this bullshit.
Nov 2 2009 5:06PM
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switchieski
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well, i have no clue what you are talking about,
but yes, if people are making sillies the judge kneads to cea that
kneads=needs
cea=see
Nov 2 2009 5:08PM
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jeremy.g
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its like when people do back ones and call them rodeo 5s. not legit
Nov 2 2009 5:09PM
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BWalmer
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good call, I haven't seen the footage yet, but I'd say that you are correct in saying that a 7 to late cork 3 is not a dub cork, but it might be hard to notice a difference if you're a judge cause it happens so fast and they don't get slow-mo replays like we do.
Nov 2 2009 5:10PM
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alev
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thats the way with so many tricks, kinda lame

rodeos are supposed to be an inverted trick, but so often (and yes, its hard to do) everyone rodeo 9s and even 7s are not remotely inverted.

i was kinda confused at some shots in the movies this year. were people spinning flat threes or back flips with a tweaked japan? because thats what they looked like.

paul bergeron has double flats down, so many peoples kangaroo flips are not true flatspins


buttttttt it is what it is, and i cant do anything about it
Nov 2 2009 5:14PM
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chicken
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I think it looks cooler. I used to always do cork 7's straight 3 to cork 3. its feels so much nicer than like d spin style.
Nov 2 2009 5:16PM
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Ben.
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yeah. but thats how you sort the best from the rest. the best do REAL dub corks, not fake shit.
Nov 2 2009 5:19PM
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travispersaud
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yeah i definitely agree some of the dub cork 10s from the london freeze edit didnt really look at that double corked. but still they are super sick tricks especially with the double mute grabs.
Nov 2 2009 5:23PM
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mak
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Yeah some of the tricks that look like double corks are really more like late corked 10s or 12s
Nov 2 2009 5:24PM
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nonexistant
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completely agreed, and it happens allll the time, but seemingly more so with forwards dub corks than switch dub corks?what do people think of that?perhaps thats not so

Nov 2 2009 5:28PM
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daytripper67
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regardless, you know how hard a late cork is like that?
Nov 2 2009 5:44PM
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mak
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yeah they are probably really tough and they are also very sick, but not the same as a double
Nov 2 2009 5:47PM
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K_9
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i agree, there were a few double corks in that london freeze vid that i had to look at a few times cause they just looked like corked 10's
Nov 2 2009 5:49PM
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JsNeagle
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where is this video you speak of
Nov 2 2009 5:50PM
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Dukeybrains
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Late corks looks sick though. What is this FIS freesking??
Nov 2 2009 5:52PM
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Uncle.Badness
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back 1s aka flairs are way harder then rodeo 5s or they are for me at least. But anyways that is bullshit if these tricks are getting to be called dub corks.
Nov 2 2009 6:00PM
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R.Fahey
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where is the London Freeze edit?  I haven't seen anything from it yet.  fail

Nov 2 2009 6:12PM
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dangerdad
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you are so damn scene!
Nov 2 2009 6:18PM
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B.Snow
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As if you made a thread on this... In my opinion Pk does the sickest double corks out of anyone and he barely even corks the first 7... I hope this thread is a joke because its stupid
Nov 2 2009 6:25PM
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WVskiing
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less cork more tech. after spinning a 720 its hard to throw yourself into a cork 3.
Nov 2 2009 6:48PM
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p-fo
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maybe its like flatspins. too many seem to be thrown as japan loops. i havent noticed underinverted dub corks though...
Nov 2 2009 6:48PM
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beardstatus
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100% agree
Nov 2 2009 6:50PM
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WVskiing
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i would like to see cork 7 to rodeo 5
Nov 2 2009 6:51PM
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crankdatsoljaboy
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pk won a lot of comps with these dub cork illusion IMO
Nov 2 2009 6:54PM
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jerad
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who cares?

illusions are like magic tricks and i like magic.
Nov 2 2009 7:03PM
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fricino13
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and some are not dub corks, but cork to dspin:)) who cares?
Nov 2 2009 7:12PM
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-eat
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you said cork twice in the description of the trick,,,,how does that make it not a double cork?
Nov 2 2009 8:25PM
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Matty_C
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if you actually stop and think for a second about what you have said, you will surely realise that this thread, and all who agree with you, are retarded. by definition a late cork must be more difficult than a double cork because you have to change axis in the middle of the trick whereas a 'true' double cork you just continue the same axis through 2 corks.

besides... noone's pretending anything. people throw sick tricks. they look cool. they win the comp. thats what freetyle is and should be.

Nov 2 2009 8:31PM
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InitialG
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I'll never look at kang's the same after seeing the video with bpaul.

So fucking retarded.
Nov 2 2009 8:36PM
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Aguyluke
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best example of a dub 12 illusion john spriggs.  and one of my favorite dub 12s
Nov 2 2009 8:54PM
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eheath
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This statement makes no fucking sense.
Nov 2 2009 8:56PM
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bdowning
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wrong, the second cork involves the head being below the feet during the second rotation...hence the double cork. sometimes it just happens more exaggerated then others.
Nov 2 2009 9:02PM
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Mr.Huck
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Spriggs doesn't illusion shit.  It's all real and it's all real filthy. 
Nov 2 2009 10:22PM
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TheUngroomed
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yeah i know what you mean and yeah its not cool
Nov 2 2009 10:54PM
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nellyyy
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some are definitely cheating it out there a bit. For a double cork to be a true double cork in my mind, someone has to go almost to feet parallel with their head once, come back on axis at 540 or 720, and then go back to feet parallel with their head again.

The fact of the matter is, to do a double cork, it's so damn hard to do it perfectly with two even cork rotations, and some have taken the easier route and done 10's that just cork real late which are significantly easier. Either way, I think both types of that trick look pretty ill, especially PK's, who's double cork 10's and 12's haven't really been true double corks since he started doing them a full two seasons ago.
Nov 2 2009 11:12PM
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SSteezle
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lev tells it how it is...
Nov 2 2009 11:24PM
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daytripper67
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can you back up your claim that super late corks are "significantly easier" than double corks?
Nov 2 2009 11:37PM
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longbomb
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I believe that the skiers themselves know this but the announcers/media are hyping it up a little bit by calling it a double cork. And really does it really matter outside the comps what a trick is called, it only matters if its looks good. Call a trick whatever you want, just go throw down some sick shit.
Nov 2 2009 11:53PM
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Alex_G
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its the result of people attempting to PK it
Nov 3 2009 12:05AM
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Ski.Ballet
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Nov 3 2009 12:13AM
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*Nefarious*
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No. i said a fully upright 7 to a late cork 3. and that's not what Spriggs does, his dubs are nasty.


here's the video, and the 2nd kid in it is doing what i'm talking about. Legitimately, skiers are doing "double corks" (notice the quotation marks!) that are not truly doubles. simon dumont shit.
Ya'all are probably right tho, who cares, i'm retarded.


on a side note, PC Fosse is doing the illest dub flatspins i've ever seen in this vid.


Nov 3 2009 12:41AM
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prosnurfer
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saw the edit i feel the same way. im sure the tricks are hard but i think there just pushing it calling them dubs. a dub flip should mean ur head goes upside down. dub corks are just staying tucked in ur cork for longer int he spin. 
Nov 3 2009 12:42AM
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joly.sp
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agreed.

Whoever said PK won alot last year with an illusion of a dub cork i strongly disagree with that as well.

Nov 3 2009 12:43AM
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mwaah
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that kid youre refering to is Fridtjof Fredriksson, and the forward 1080 he's doing is not a doublecork, and its never been called a double cork either, not even by himself. I know this because I've skied with him at comps and asked him.

with that said, a lot of dubcorks are not very double corked anymore, so the thread creator makes a valid point. it seems like a lot of people just do a forward 10, and then learn how to dip your shoulder a little bit to make it look wobbly, or whatever. 5 years ago no one would have called that a double cork, or even late cork, just 1080 mutegrab.
Nov 3 2009 3:14AM
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bob_dole
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regardless, that is one sick looking 10 that guy did!
Nov 3 2009 3:49AM
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johanblaze
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Spriggs does the gayest dubs.
Nov 3 2009 4:25AM
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