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ON3P received demand to change name of “Great Scott”

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iggyskier
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This post is meant to inform anyone who has to date purchased a “Great Scott” ski from ON3P, or those who are considering a future purchase.  In late October, ON3P received a cease and desist order from SCOTT USA Ltd., and its affiliates SCOTT Sports SA and SCOTT USA Inc., demanding ON3P immediately cease commercialization and sales of all “Great Scott” branded skis for reasons of  trademark infringement. 

We are current exploring the legality of the use of “Scott” in the name of our ski “Great Scott” and should reach a decision in the near future.

Once we have reached a decision, I will post an update on the matter.

Scott Andrus

Nov 1 2009 10:00PM
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Magnetic
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Said Correctly, this is just a bad move and thus bad business. They should know better, like even if there was valid reason how much would it affect sales...really?
Nov 1 2009 10:53PM
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Keith_M
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I have to say, those lawyers are screwing the companies they work for with these lawsuits against smaller companies
Nov 1 2009 10:55PM
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BravoWhiskey5280
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Are there any orange names on NS that are affiliated with Scott, cause if there is we should bombard his inbox with pms (just kidding). But in all seriousness I think its probably an issue that is way up there with the execs in Scott so no one on here could do anything about it.

Goddamnt i was gonna change my username to scott but i dont want to get sued, fucken scott.
Nov 1 2009 10:55PM
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willmiller
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Seriously though, what is it with the ski industry and bullshit lawsuits this year?
Nov 1 2009 10:55PM
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Malcolm
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shit i have scott poles.
Nov 1 2009 10:56PM
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J.D.
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In fact, going further, you can't even register a personal name as a trademark under normal circumstances for precisely this reason: the legal system doesn't want people to be able to go around suing other people for operating under their own name, which is exactly what Scott is doing here. Honestly they could not have less of a case here and I say that based on my own legal knowledge. Of course that doesn't matter because iggyskier has just enough to scrape by and feed himself while making you guys your skis, and can't afford to defend this action, so of course the big company will once again get its way.

What a fucking piss off.

Fuck Scott USA.
Nov 1 2009 10:57PM
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factory81
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I can see how someone might be thrown off if a shop sold the "Great Scott" and "Scott" skis. And thats somewhat a valid concern.

I mean if you made a ski called Great Armada......you might draw a conclusion its even....greater then Armada...right? Just put yourself in a gapers shoes and what he / she might think.


Nov 1 2009 10:57PM
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J.D.
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I don't know but you'd think they would have fucking LEARNED something after what happened with WME.
Nov 1 2009 10:57PM
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J.D.
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No, this is not the same, because Armada is not anyone's personal name.
Nov 1 2009 10:58PM
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Joe_
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wow, you would think they would learn from WME. its funny that they would do this now and undoubtedly loose a large portion of the freeskiing market that they would have otherwise gained by signing wallisch. 
Nov 1 2009 10:59PM
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willmiller
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Exactly, and like last year with Kiss and the whole Faction thing. Copyright laws piss me off SO much! They're just a cheap-ass way for large corporations and celebrities to make EVEN MORE money!
Nov 1 2009 11:00PM
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J.D.
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Well obviously Tom Wallisch has nothing to do with the operational decisions made by the company, he's just a member of the team, so it has almost nothing to do with him, aside from being an interesting situation given that he was closely involved with L1P as well.
Nov 1 2009 11:00PM
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Fish_Sandwich.
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If Scott has an orange name on this site they better get the fuck in here and explain anything they can.
Stuff like this plays a huge part in which companies I buy from and which ones I don't.  I'm seeing a trend: the big corporate multinationals get greedy and try to fuck over the underground / grassroots /  independent / start-ups.  Aka the real progressive companies that are COMPLETELY ORIGINAL (and they always get sued for "not being original (different) enough".  It's just a bunch of Bullshit, companies don't realize how much credibility they are losing with people who actually realize what's going on.
Nov 1 2009 11:04PM
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Joe_
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word, i was just commenting on how signing wallisch would've increased scott's sales alot in the newschoolers demographic, but after this move scott's sales probably will be worse in the ns crowd
Nov 1 2009 11:05PM
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J.D.
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^I should god damn well hope they'll be worse in the NS crowd; the community cannot support companies that act this way, it is harmful to the sport, no matter how unbelievably sick their riders are.
Nov 1 2009 11:07PM
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Willard
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lol good shit
Nov 1 2009 11:09PM
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rYb
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just change the skis name to "Sue Me Nows" or something.
Nov 1 2009 11:10PM
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gr4
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im gonna go to law school and defend all of these little companies in these stupid lawsuits against the "big guys"
Nov 1 2009 11:11PM
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papasteeze
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Who are probably as equally clueless as the WME exes that brought suit against Level 1 -  Couple well written emails should be able to end this.
Nov 1 2009 11:11PM
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Triple_Strum
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Amen to all.  End thread. (But keep bumping it!)
Nov 1 2009 11:11PM
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Fish_Sandwich.
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Dude, for real?
You don't know the product you are buying enough to differentiate them?  I mean who sells ON3P skis that also sells Scotts: NOBODY!!  It's a completely different market, completely different product, and Scott is the name of a person (the owner of ON3P nonetheless).  Shit's whack, no rational thought behind it.
Nov 1 2009 11:12PM
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willmiller
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Don't do this bro. Every company fucks up, but don't boycott them for it. In the long run this just ends up hurting their riders A.K.A. Tom Wallisch
Nov 1 2009 11:13PM
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TheUngroomed
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wow serious lameness in the ski industry lately. The whole Level 1 and WME thing and now THIS?!?!?!?! wow
Nov 1 2009 11:15PM
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PhilboydStudge
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Pretty much sums it up right there
Nov 1 2009 11:17PM
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Tinga
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 it's almost insulting to their customers that SCOTT USA thinks their consumers are stupid enough to get these things confused.
Nov 1 2009 11:18PM
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willmiller
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Copyright lawsuits piss me off so much!! They are just a way for big corporations and celebrities to make EVEN MORE money!
Nov 1 2009 11:19PM
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tinkytwinky
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word, ifits named after himself than there is really nothing scott can do. It is really just an inflated version of childhood bullying.
Nov 1 2009 11:20PM
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debrickshaw
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fuck scott usa
there skis are pieces are shit, even gapers dont like em
im bummed wallisch joined them
Nov 1 2009 11:20PM
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willmiller
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Haha f'sho
Nov 1 2009 11:21PM
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Thomson.
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are they gonna sue Scott, the toilet paper company, too?
Nov 1 2009 11:24PM
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*simba*
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how about ON3P sues Scott for the P3, I mean it has 3 in the name just like ON3P
Nov 1 2009 11:25PM
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AElot
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hey maybe i sound like a doo doo head,,but how do you pronounce ON3P? like ive been tryign to do it for a whole day and all ive got is "one P" and "on three P" like i just dont know haha
Nov 1 2009 11:26PM
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tinkytwinky
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i hope not, they make toilet paper which is sensative to my birttle bum cheeks.
Nov 1 2009 11:26PM
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Fish_Sandwich.
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Ya, for real, then again, by assuming their customers are even smart enough (at least about the ski industry) to know about ON3P, they are assuming too much haha.  Most of their customers probably don't.  I don't really think of Scott as a ski company, more like an "everything else company,"  do they even make pow skis??
Nov 1 2009 11:27PM
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willmiller
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Haha total WIN!! karma bro
Nov 1 2009 11:27PM
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Balto
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how is scott named scott if the law prohibits trademarking a personal name?

and this is confusing me since iggyskier's name is Scott for those of you who didn't know
Nov 1 2009 11:28PM
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TheWorst
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thats fuckin gay... boycott scott?
Nov 1 2009 11:29PM
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no_steeze
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just rename it "great warren miller" and be done with it
Nov 1 2009 11:32PM
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N_well23
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Don't worry, Tod Walrus will fix this
Nov 1 2009 11:33PM
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J.D.
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That's pretty good but I was thinking he should call it the Gene Simmons Pro Model... no way that could go wrong,  right?
Nov 1 2009 11:35PM
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mtbakerteacher
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Here's some contact info for Scott USA

Mailing address:
PO Box 2030
Sun Valley, ID 83353

Emails?(I imagine the non wintersport one is a better email for legal, but I don't know. Send to both):
wintersport@scottusa.com
scott@scottusa.com

Nov 1 2009 11:36PM
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no_steeze
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i assume it'll be fine, i mean nothing has happened in the past that would make me think otherwise

kiss seems pretty chill about that

also guys make sure your messages of hate towards scott (company scott) are crafted in a way so that they merely raise the issue. i think it'd be better to hold off on them all together but just don't do anything that represents on3p in an immature and dumb way. that's the last thing scott (andrus) wants to deal with. it'll be a lot smoother and easier if you guys don't send dumb hate mail to scott usa and make them pissed off at on3p. despite the fact that scott usa can't actually do this, i think on3p should just change the name. there's not point spending money on lawyers and hearings and shit even if it goes nowhere, which it will

looks like Scott25~ is gonna have to get banned again
Nov 1 2009 11:42PM
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Craigskis
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I'm going to be proudly strapping ON3P'S to my feet this season.


Scott USA please... For a long time I haven't touched your product. Your skis on the rack at the store used to be a joke and just because you got some flash in your new marketing campaign stupid corporate moves like this cease and desist order won't win you any favor in our niche market. Unlike are uninformed parents generation when shopping for products news in our generation spreads like wildfire.
And for what's it's worth aluminum poles are low tech.

As a consumer I feel it's important to be behind the products I use. In a market flooded with options you just made my decisions as a consumer a little easier. P.S. I was digging your goggles

I'll add is that my personal boycott of Salomon hard and soft goods is going on 8+ Seasons strong now due to bad customers service in the warranty department.
Nov 1 2009 11:43PM
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.jon
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here's what I sent...
hopefully it doesn't suck



Hello,

I've been a supporter of the skis that SCOTT USA produces for many years and have always thought that you guys are one of the most under-recognized manufacturers in the ski industry. Because of this, I was very excited to hear that SCOTT had signed Tom Wallisch to its team. I saw this as an opportunity for SCOTT to gain the recognition it deserves.

However, just a few hours later, I was shocked to hear that SCOTT USA is suing ON3P Skis on the claim of copyright infringement due to their "Great Scott" model ski. I view this as absolute absurdity and can not justify supporting SCOTT anymore. I enjoy your skis but am not willing to funnel my money toward a company that will ultimately damage the ski industry and the smaller ski manufacturers within it. Furthermore, I can not understand how ON3P's naming of the "Great Scott" ski is damaging your brand. I am, however, hoping to hear back with your point of view on the matter.

Has nothing been learned from the Warren Miller Entertainment vs. Level 1 Productions lawsuit?    Please reconsider you actions against ON3P skis.

Thanks,
Jon
Nov 1 2009 11:47PM
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Calb3rt
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very well said and i fully agree.
Nov 1 2009 11:47PM
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Fish_Sandwich.
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It's gonna go to some clueless customer service person, they won't know who Level 1 or WME are.  Best hope is that it gets passed on to somebody important.  Who realizes our concern.
Nov 1 2009 11:49PM
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heFF
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this...

fucking scott...common
Nov 1 2009 11:49PM
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TWoods
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Please PLEASE PLEASE be respectful in this matter.

Scott, however rediculous, is doing things for the sport. I never said anything about my opinion on people sending aggro emails to WME because WME sucks the life out of skiing and everything they touch. Scott is trying to change it's image and put out quality product tailored for us.

This is an ABSURD thing Scott has done, however, we gotta look out for everyone here because this effects a lot of people. Raise the issue, voice your opinion, but BE RESPECTFUL!
Nov 1 2009 11:50PM
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no_steeze
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ok you idiot scott is not suing on3p, it was a simple name change request, not a lawsuit

i dont think this is a big enough issue yet for you guys to bitch to scott usa. just hold out, if they give on3p an even harder time, then go for it

it's like a bear named scott usa in your on3p campground...yeah it sucks it's there, but poking it with a stick will make it much angrier and matters worse for your feeble body. however, if it attacks you, then it's appropriate to stab it in the throat

/amazing analogy
Nov 1 2009 11:51PM
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J.D.
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Hahaha I knew there was a bright side to all this.

Yes I'm sure that On3p will have to just give in and change the name, there's no way they can afford to defend a lawsuit like this in their startup year. It's just such complete bullshit. I don't think it matters if NS kids are pricks about it, I don't see how it makes a difference. They know on3p can't afford to fight a big company like them.
Nov 1 2009 11:53PM
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