ACL/getting back into it

pete sampras??



B.O.T Nucka
*We OWN You*

Dude, we'll be fine. i fucking tore mine at the end of february and have surgery on april 2nd. I hear that you can come back close to 100% in six months. I guess i will be able to start biking after 6-8 weeks.

could be worse... at least I had the jump that blew my knee earlier in the day.

You know. i'm surprized that i never hurt myself before this, with all the crazy crashes I've had and impacts I've even stomped.


*all hail to the mighty gods of snow*

I recently blew mine. It sucks, and thanks to the great healthcare system in BC, my surgery isn't till late october. So my entire spring, summer, fall, and most of next winter are fucked. So basically, it's rehab rehab rehab, then surgery and more rehab. By the time I get back to snow, I'll be MUCH better than I was before.

Don't slack on rehab and you'll be fine.



TMC WUUUUUUUUUUUUUT
WE KILL YOU
SKIER: How would you describe your style?
PJ Cliche: Total skate influence. Even doh dis is on concrete, an you are face sideways, an it has sweet fuck all to do with ski, skate 'as play a huge role wit my steeze.

Just get back on your skis asap and don't think about it. You kind of have to relearn everything cause your timid to put force on the new knee but i'm 110% after skiing this season.

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The past is behind you, the only way you can ruin the present is by worrying about the future.

wow, u really have to wait until fall to get surgery. for me it'll be just over a month between the injury and surgery... just enough time to get moving a bit and hopefully not have much stiffness going into the cutting room.

they are going to use my hamstring tendon to replace the ACL, same for you guys?

fucking sucks to think about all of this!!!! I STILL WANNA SKI!!!!

*all hail to the mighty gods of snow*

yeah, they're planning on a hamstring transfer for me too. About 1-2 hours of arthoroscopic surgery, 3 hours in a recovery room, and I go home the same day.



TMC WUUUUUUUUUUUUUT
WE KILL YOU
SKIER: How would you describe your style?
PJ Cliche: Total skate influence. Even doh dis is on concrete, an you are face sideways, an it has sweet fuck all to do with ski, skate 'as play a huge role wit my steeze.

blew mine 2 years ago, skied the rest of the season without even really knowing.. You'll be fine in 6 months ride a bike and rehab like a mother fucker.

i had ACL reconstructive surgery in september of 2002....my docs said i would be skiing that season, unforunately, my doctor fucked up and caused a neuroma in my knee (basically he jacked up my nerves throughout my leg...no feeling) so im in intense physical therapy to gain strength, movement, etc...i do know that if this didn't happen i would be back to normal again, ive seen many ACL patients who were fine in about 6 months (i worked in a physical therapy office over the summer).....just do what your PT and dr. say and you'll be fine...but just one word of advice, when you sign that release form before surgery telling the risks, doctors arent gods, they DO make mistakes.....but most of the time, doctors are all good, best of LUCK!



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busted knees 4 LIFE

i had it done last april and my knee has bee sore, but i still have an epic season here at Alta


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hey JIB THIS, just a reccomendation, i just had my ACL surgery 2 weeks ago, and i got a cadaver graph. they take the ankle tendon out of a dead person and use that for your new ACL. not only is it thicker and stronger than the hamstring graph, but it's also quicker recovery time because you only have to rehab the new ligament, you don't have to worry about reworking your hamstring back into shape. after talking with tons of my friends who have all had different types (patella tendon and hamstring and cadaver) i definitely would suggest going trhe cadaver route. if you don't believe me, take Pep as an example, he had a cadaver graph and he is well on his way into a full recovery.

plus today is my 18th day after surgery and i am walking as if nothing ever happened to me, and my scars are TINY. most kids i know that opted for hamstring or patella especially were still using crutches or limping really bad after 2 weeks


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Sounds aight, but how do they get proper bloodflow back to the dead dead cadaver ACL?



TMC WUUUUUUUUUUUUUT
WE KILL YOU
SKIER: How would you describe your style?
PJ Cliche: Total skate influence. Even doh dis is on concrete, an you are face sideways, an it has sweet fuck all to do with ski, skate 'as play a huge role wit my steeze.

Sounds like I need to do more research. Fuck.



TMC WUUUUUUUUUUUUUT
WE KILL YOU
SKIER: How would you describe your style?
PJ Cliche: Total skate influence. Even doh dis is on concrete, an you are face sideways, an it has sweet fuck all to do with ski, skate 'as play a huge role wit my steeze.

thanks

!!!WILSON!!!

yeah i got the cadaver done. its way easier. i had my surgery 2 days after the injury. but it was also my second time. i had hamstring the first time then this time doc said cadaver would be sttronger. im 4 and a half months out and feeling really good. will be skiing in a month and a half just cruising. then next year open back to normal. i havent skiied since last year in march.
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I went to the source, AKA the Steadman Hawkins clinic website. They're some of the best in the world when it comes to surgical knee repairs. Here's what they've got to say when it comes to cadaver v.s. hamstring transfers:

'An orthopaedic surgeon will usually prefer to use a patient's own tissue for the graft. The patient's own tissue heals faster and more reliably than allograft tissue. In addition, allograft tissue has a risk of disease transmission, although this risk is extremely small.

For some patients, allograft tissue may be the better choice. Patients who have had numerous knee surgeries may not have sufficient tissue available for grafting. An allograft might be the best choice for an older patient who needs the least amount of invasion of the joint in order to heal without complications.'

If you're getting your knee done, it's in your best interest to research your shit. Hit up google, webmd.com, and steadman-hawkins.com as starting points.




TMC WUUUUUUUUUUUUUT
WE KILL YOU
SKIER: How would you describe your style?
PJ Cliche: Total skate influence. Even doh dis is on concrete, an you are face sideways, an it has sweet fuck all to do with ski, skate 'as play a huge role wit my steeze.

yea bro
i shredded my knee almost 2 years ago now
and after my surgery in the summer i came back for the next ski season
when i first got on the snow i just kept going down bc i couldnt get myself to turn and use my knee
but after about 5 mins i was doin better n better
til iw as back to normal
good luck to you
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Holla!

i had cadaver. tis great


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yeah, but stedman hawkins has gotten sloppy, remember tara dakides' knee surgery, they tried to fix her up and FUCKED HER SHIT UP real bad, and they have been screwing up alot more surgeries in the past 3 years or so. the stedman clinc's biggest rival was doctor rob hunter's clinic in aspen, but he just moved down to Tucson to head part of the orthopedic department at their world famous 'University Medical Center' or the 'UMC', so now his whole clinic is down there. he's the guy i went to see and he almost exclusively has been doing cadaver graphs the past 4 years because out of his lifelong doctorial experience he feels that the cadaver allograph is the best way to fix an ACL tear, in terms of recovery time, strength of the final product, and overall return to normalcy for the patient.

i thought stedman hawkins was the way to go too, but i'm happy i decided to get it from doctor hunter instead, i'm doing super well and will be slaughtering it again next season with no worries.

just my 2 cents worth


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The more opinions I get, the better off I am. Thanks.



TMC WUUUUUUUUUUUUUT
WE KILL YOU
SKIER: How would you describe your style?
PJ Cliche: Total skate influence. Even doh dis is on concrete, an you are face sideways, an it has sweet fuck all to do with ski, skate 'as play a huge role wit my steeze.

i had surgery last april, my first time up i was gonna take it easy, but after a couple runs i realized i was a lot stronger and a lot more comfortable on the snow than i thought id be my first day back. ive had the best season in a long time this year, dropped a 25' cliff a couple weeks ago, no prob on the knee. just make sure you do your rehab and get your legs strong before you do anything big and you'll be good.

-Logan

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don't get a cadaver graft, they are the worst one you can get, they stretch out over the course of 3 years, and should only be used for older people...get a semitendisonous only hamstring graft, quadrupled using the endobutton system...250-300 percent as strong as your old acl, compared to 100 for cadaver, and 150 for patellar.....just got mine, i was able to walk the day of surgery...i wasn't supposed to, but I could tolerate the little pain I had, and was able to stop taking pain pills a day and a half out of surgery
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you mean the hamstring is folded over four times? to and its 300 to 400 percent strong er then the previous acl you had before it was torn? from what ive read you could make it with out an acl if you keep ham strings and quads and the connecting muscles from the tibia and fibula built super duper strong.

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yeah, the hamstring is folded four times...sort of, they actually braid it...you can ski w/out an acl, but there is a very good chance that you will injure yourself worse
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Is there any synthetic ligaments ever been used? Ive got surgery in 8 months (FUCKING UK HEALTH SERVICE) but i cant complain really.
They said that the most usual surgery is to take some stuff out of you calf. Anyone heard of this method??

hey,
i tore my acl, mcl, lcl, meniscus, quad muscle, shattered my tibia and broke my femur in dec. 2001... i had two surgeries to fix all that. i went to steadman-hawkins clinic, they had me get an ACL 'healing response' which basically means they poke holes in my bone where my ACL attaches and try to get it to heal itself. in their eyes, it worked miracles, apparently one of the best they had seen... too bad after working my ass off for 8 months i tore it again in skiing in sept. 2002. the ACL was so weak, i didn't crash or anything. i had worked really hard, doing rehab like 3 or 4 hours a day... totally sucked.
so i got home and had full ACL reconstruction (patellar graft) on my left knee. my doctor was peter millet in boston. he kicked ass and i worked so hard and started skiing again that in march 2003. i started charging again that summer, skied all fall and then in my first comp in december 2003 i tore my RIGHT knee and meniscus, i actually didn't crash there either, i just sheared my own acl (meaning my quad muscle was too strong and i tore my acl with so weird angle, just pulled it apart). i had surgery for that like a week later and i am doing rehab for that shit.
basically, i have been through some shit with my knees and i can tell you some lessons... hopefully you will listen so you don't go through what i did.

1) listen to the doc. go by the letter of what he says... don't worry about rushing back, do it right and you will be stoked. i had a conversation with candide after he blew his knee the first time and he waited and waited and it worked out for him.

2) work hard, but work smart. be really consistent with your rehab. everyday, do a solid amount but don't go nuts, and DON'T blow it off. everyday 1 hour of focused rehab is worth as much as 3 hours a day of stupid hard work that makes your knee swell and makes you burnt out and frustrated.

3) ice like an eskimo

4) get range of motion as soon as the doctor lets you. it sucks, but the sooner you get range the better.

5) stretch a lot. especially quad muscle and calf muscles.

6) the most important muscle to save your acl is your hamstring. you need the strength there. i am an engineering major at school and i did a force analysis on the knee and make sure you work really really hard on yout hamstring. trust your doctor, but it he gives you the choice. i would go patellar over anything else. what your doctor thinks he is best at, do that. don't try to talk him into doing a surgery is not as good at.

other than that... good luck and don't forget how much fun skiing is... you'll be way better when you get back.

marty

thanks for all of the stories.

I am going with the hamstring graph because that's what this doctor recommends... he used to be the personal orthopedic for a 19 yr old US developmental soccer team and traveled around the world with them.

Also, I trust that my hamstrings are strong and I don't want the flesh of another in my knee...

My doc says that using the patella can cause irritation... I can't imagine having an itch under the skin... would drive me nuts.

I can't wait until I can begin after surgery rehab... as is I just got on a stationary bike the other day and barely made it around pedaling.

The worst thing is that it is dumping outside right nw and I WANNA PLAY IN THE SNOW.

I'm gonna fucking rip it up next season.

Oh, one more question, brace or no brace??

*all hail to the mighty gods of snow*

i had mine taken from the petella, I have heard that is the best place to have it taken from. My knee is doing great. After surgery hurts really bad, but only for a few days. My best advice is to ice it non stop, stay away from heat and stretch. Good luck!



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all docs will have there favorite places. patella, hammy, cadaver. but i would say it would probably depend on the work out too.
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allografts are really not a good idea for anyone who wants to ski at a high performance level...for real
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good to know im not the only one who knows how to fuck themself over really badly. Sorry to that dude who blew his knee 3 times.... i had my surgery january 7th and the hardest thing for me is not doing too much, i wanna get back before next soccer season (i play for nevada) and the therapist told me that im recovering too fast. i had full range of motion after 1 month and i feel like im ready to run and its not even 3 months yet.... the hardest thing is waiting.. good luck to everyone!

-becca




'..I am like what the f--k are you talking about. I am a skier..' -eric pollard

yeah i had surgery on march 2nd and i can walk without crutches or a knee brace. its really hard to listen to what the doc says and do nothing. a lot of the excersizes feel totally worthless but i do them anyways just in case.

everyone says do your therapy when they saw my knee in an immobilizer. so ive been heading their advice. this thread has given me a lot of confidence knowing im not the only one who tore their acl, and that you can come back, and not just in a boring way.

the acl is weakest at like 2.5 months to around 4. its different for everyone. but yeah 3 motnhs is the running mark for me. and 6 will be easy skiing and soccer. last time i started playing soccer at 5 months. the pain just goes away fast so you think its ready but you just have to take the time for the acl and blood flow in it to make it strong.
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