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tigon
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Oct 18 2009 2:01PM
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FM3
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My threads.

I have no clue about any of this stuff. Just can't wrap my mind around it. I find it super fascinating, though. But, think of how cool that picture in the OP would be as a children's book. Just saying
Oct 19 2009 6:20PM
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Yeezus
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getting back to where you started...mhm....sounds just like something that could be realistic. let me take this matter into perspective with reference to games ect.

think of that theory in the way, you get back to where you started. think of it as a ball. think of the ENTIREEEE universe in a ball. put that ball into the middle of a black box.  what would you call the area around the ball. the universe cant float on nothing.  The universe may be circular, and you get back wherever you started(considering that that theory is in fact true), then that space around the area of the universe, has to also be contained of matter in order to exist.  but then we get to the other theory that nothing can exist when you reach 0k because molecules stop moving. so what in fact would be call that matter around the universe? we can't call it "nothing' because it actually still exists. see where im getting.

Oct 19 2009 6:38PM
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Tasche
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I see where you are going but in the theory I am explaining there is no box because nothing exist outside it thus the analogy is not correct. With the complete lack of energy and force there is no time, so in an environment where time does not exist matter does not exist so nothing exists.

So if I was in a space ship traveling in a straight line and I got to the end of matter time would stop. and it would only continue when I started traveling back where I came from. So to me I would still be on a straight line course but actually I would be going straight back where I started.

It's hard to explain because it is impossible to explain. I lack the ability to visualize this because our 4 dimensional brains do not have the capacity, so I can only use vague metaphors and analogies. So the question that everyone asks is "what is after space?" or some variation of that. And the answer most likely is; "You lack the ability to understand the answer."

All that I have know on this topic comes from reading books like hyperspace and visions of the impossible by Kaku, and hawkings and a few other book. I am in no way an expert and my take on what they said could be incorrect. I have reread entire pages multiple times and still not understood what they were saying. So I am not trying to argue just highlight theories that I have heard and somewhat understand.
Oct 19 2009 6:55PM
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Tasche
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so basically our universe is a bubble. And there are parallel universe bubbles all sitting next to each other. (of course they are not next to each other because there is no frame of reference that we can understand for a simultaneous event happening on another universe.) like soap bubbles and so there is no empty space there is infinite universes.

Oct 19 2009 6:58PM
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A.0.spin
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I like that you think about these principles. I believe getting other people interested in their future or that of the universe is a good thing because we are moving into an age where these studies actually matter.
Oct 19 2009 7:04PM
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Yeezus
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yea, its hard to try and wrap your mind around but im getting to where your coming from. just time is counted from 0k, and if in theory the matter around the universe is 0k, absoulute 0, then there is time.  but we can only get to 0k, and its the lowest temp. we've gotten to on earth/measured.  To add on to your theory, we have only measured to 0k.  If ever we get a temperature below 0k, everything in the system of t would change, therefor yet no matter what, there would be time, because we have only gotten to 0k.
Oct 19 2009 7:09PM
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Yeezus
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so going with your theory here, if the bubbles were next to each other, we would never be able to get from universe to universe considering we get back to where we started. technically in those terms we are trapped in a bubble we cant escape aka our universe
Oct 19 2009 7:11PM
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pianoman
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my thoughts exactly.
Oct 19 2009 7:18PM
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Yeezus
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i didnt mean it as box that space ends. i meant consider the box as never ending. sorry. i put it in wrong words.
Oct 19 2009 7:22PM
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Tasche
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not my theory, Most of what I have said here is my interpretation of Kaku.

And as I said above the bubbles are not "touching" in terms of physically touching as marbles in a jar would be touching. They are touching in the 5th or 6th or 7th dimension, a plane in which we can not comprehend. So maybe a class 3 society could travel between universes but this is way above our level of understanding and technology. A black hole might take you to another universe but again we don't know.
Oct 19 2009 7:22PM
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pianoman
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no i mean i understand what you're saying. i still agree with what Tasche was saying though. it makes more sense to me. not that any of it is easy to grasp though lol
Oct 19 2009 7:27PM
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Yeezus
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yea i know its not your theory but when i refer to "your theory", im referring to what you said. ahah sorry for the confusion. yea, but my point with them touching, i know theyre not physically touching, but in the theory kaku has, about the universe being spherical and linear, then theres no way of getting out of the universe. its like an internal gravitational force on the outer part of the universe, holding you back from leavin. if i were able to make diagrams i would, but i cant and it would be easier to explain.

Oct 19 2009 7:27PM
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Yeezus
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yea understandable.
Oct 19 2009 7:28PM
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fsscott
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repost

made a thread about this a while back
Oct 19 2009 7:33PM
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Tasche
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This comes up every month or so. I know I have responded in at least 5 of these threads and started a few myself. It is good to revisit this topic every once in a while because theories change. After 3 pages of discussion there is really no need for th repost comment but if you can find your thread you should bump it.
Oct 20 2009 1:02AM
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Funnel
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Holy shit. This thread just opened up so many doors in my mind. If there are any life forms out there, they have no clue we exist and we have no clue they exist because as of right now nothing moves faster than the speed of light. That is incredible. Billions of years from now, other life forms may watch the world come together. Fuck yes, this is so awesome. The idea about us being an atom in a life form is a good idea. That is actually extremely believable too. I love and hate thinking about this. If the universe carries on forever, there is no end. What the hell? There must be so many other life forms out there. How can you think not?
Oct 20 2009 1:36AM
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*DrewT*
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Here is a video to try and explain some of this stuff to people.  It is very good

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtdE662eY_M

Oct 20 2009 3:20AM
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mike720b
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i got this thing in an email a little while back.. its pretty fucking sweet.. makes you start thinking
Oct 20 2009 3:23AM
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prontocuts.com
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nancy pelosi's vagina
Oct 20 2009 3:35AM
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KatyPerry.
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definately. we know a lot about the universe, and a lot about humans and other life forms on earth. but just to say "we looked and couldn't find anything" definately doesn't mean there's nothing there. sooo hard to wrap your mind around it!! earth is fucking TINY
Oct 20 2009 3:49AM
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mike720b
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i might be rediculously off about this butttt... alright you say like "they have no clue we exist" because nothing can travel faster than light.. but maybe uhh say someone else.. on a place far away lol. was looking here to see us.. but! they did this what would be to us millions and millions and millions of years "one light year" ago.. when like earth didnt even exist... but technically.. by the time they can actually see here we would be here already.. they would have to have some instrument that could see light years at a time..but realistically if another form of life had the technology to see here and they could keep this like "open" i guess they could be watching.. they would also have to be around on their planet for a very very long time and not go extinct already.. i guess one thing i was trying to say is they are looking like for us in the past but for them they see the present..

idk if i really just said what i was trying to or not ...somebody read that and try to make some sense of it.. its hard as shit to explain when you think of this shit hahaha
Oct 20 2009 3:53AM
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XtRemE11
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this is just too much for humans to think about, there is no possible way we are even close to understanding the universe.  the extremely small amount that we do understand is mind blowing enough.  everything we think we know about science physics and the universe could all be completely wrong.
there are basically an infinite amount of galaxy's out there, with billions of planets in each, and we are one planet out of billions in an infinite amount of galaxy's. and we cant even reach our nearest galaxy.  we can hardly even make it to out little moon, we arent even close to being able to put humans on another planet yet.  there are so many possibilities, actually an infinite amount of possibilities, for everything.

you can literally think of anything you want and there is an extremely good chance that somewhere it exists.  an exact replica of me probably exists somewhere in the universe.  there are probably organisms out there that are so sexually attractive to us that it would make out dicks explode.  maybe organisms that can run thousands of miles per hour.  living creatures the size of our planet. theres probably a subsance out there that would allow us to live for thousands of years,  there are probably socities that have perfected time travel and can go back in time and hang out with themselves.

 maybe there are aliens who are visiting us right now, living with us who are invisible to us because they are made up of a substance that only exists trillions and trillions of light years away from us that our eyes cant process and out bodies cant feel and we just pass through eachother, or maybe there is a whole nother earth within our earth that we cant see touch or be effected by us at all because of what its made of. a whole new landscape mixed with ours,  like i may be sitting down where someone else is right now but i have no idea about it.  there is probably a speed millions of times faster than light, that people can travel, we cant say its not possible because we are dumb as fuck, we basically have 0 intelegence at all about whats out there and whats possible.

 theres probably thousands of places that we would consider heaven. where people live forever and get to do and be whoever they could possibly want without harming anything or anyone else.  basically any idea is possible and nothing seems crazy. and im not even close to getting creative.

you could spend your whole life just thinking about this shit and never figure anything out.  its just crazy.
Oct 20 2009 4:02AM
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mike720b
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haha yep... you said it perfect^^^^^ theres infinite possibilities
Oct 20 2009 4:09AM
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A.0.spin
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actually "we" know a lot about the universe we are able to "assemble" in our minds. You just happen to not know shit about yours.
Oct 20 2009 6:14AM
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Jib-Life
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was waiting for it.

BTW props for the OP, def some awesome imagery.
Oct 20 2009 9:08AM
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TonyTheTiger
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What you say is very interesting, however, it goes even farther than that. Everything that you are imagining has some kind of human relation to it. Running fast is an "earth" or "known world" trait, as much as is metter itself. Where it goes deeper is when you think about the stuff you cannot imagine, because it doesn't exist in our world.

Try this for example: Think about NOTHING. You'll either be thinking about a complete black or a complete white, which for instance arn't nothing! Its impossible to see nothing because we've never seen it, let alone experienced it. The sky is always black etc....

So apply that to other life forms and you've basically got your point: that there might be lifeforms that thrive on things completely different than what we think life should have to appear. And other intelligence that wouldn't be comprehensible with our. Intelligence so different we wouldn't probably percieve it as intelligence, because we wouldn't notice anything.
Oct 20 2009 9:52AM
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Tasche
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who are you talking about?

I think a lot of people in this tread would benefit from reading a little non fiction. It will help you to focus your imagination and have a better idea of the universe.

And to this kid I am quoting, you tear a kid down then you offer nothing. -K for you.
Oct 20 2009 10:19AM
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wintersway
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oh...




















holy shit
Oct 20 2009 10:22AM
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A.0.spin
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read some of my posts in this thread... i offered a lot of resources. I think I have a decent understanding of current scientific trends if not only the overarching effect they will have on human society. However, I am not by any means claiming to be an expert
Oct 20 2009 10:56AM
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A.0.spin
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in fact tasche i have agreed with most of what you have been saying
Oct 20 2009 10:57AM
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Tasche
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ya I reread your posts and I agree, It seams like no one has read any of the longer posts and are happy to speculate with out considering what has been said.

Did you read Visions by Kaku? A lot of the stuff he said in that has come true. Pretty smart guy, shameless self promoter, but he can back it up.

btw your karma has been restored.
Oct 20 2009 11:23AM
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Tasche
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also has anyone seen this article?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,568528,00.html?test=latestnews

Pertains pretty well to what we are talking about. I don't know what to think about this. I don't know what to think about this.

Please ignore that it came from Fox News it is legit.
Oct 20 2009 11:27AM
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Tasche
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that is wild to think about. To them the milky way just looks like a big cloud if it even exists 13 billion years ago. It really does blow your mind, what is the point of all this what the fuck is actually going on? Just trying to ponder the why of existence...
Oct 20 2009 12:00PM
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mike720b
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my guess would be that at some point.. if space does end.. at the "end" there is just such an immense pressure that nothing can expand any further.. so essentially there is "wall" but not a physical form.. more like just a barrier that cant be pushed any further..
Oct 20 2009 12:06PM
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Tasche
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pressure is caused by atoms of either liquid or gas acting on a surface. In the vacuum of space there is no pressure so there is no pressure barrier at the end of space. Did no one read my previous posts?
Oct 20 2009 12:10PM
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A.0.spin
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i believe what we are seeing is light from that galaxy that starts resides approximately 13 billion light years away from us. Relative to us this light appears to be 13 billion years old, from our reference frame. From a fixed reference frame this age could be slightly older as these objects are moving away from each other and time dialation in effect means that while time advances at a steady rate, in order for light to reach these distances in the same ammount of time its wavelength must increase. This is I believe called its redshift and allows us to measure both its age and distance relatively. I don't think however we would see any sort of life since at 13 billion years old, giant stars were barely starting to go supernova; the process by which heavier elements such as carbon, silicon and germanium were first starting to be dispersed.

I could have stated this wrong considering I am only an armchair sepculator at present, but reading into this stuff will only make you more prepared for college coursework.

To Tasche, if you mean Kaku's physics of the impossible , yea i read that one. Was pretty cool, Brian Greene's the Elegant Universe is really cool too but somewhat more involved in the physics.
Oct 20 2009 7:07PM
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Testicles
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ahhhhh my brain hurts

Oct 20 2009 7:30PM
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Wilcox_
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This is good.
Oct 20 2009 7:50PM
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WikiWiki
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i would love to be an astronomer if it didn't involve so much physics
Oct 20 2009 8:01PM
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Half-Blood
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Wow this is the third time I've been called out on this haha. Yes I realize that I made an error, however my point is still valid.
Oct 20 2009 8:07PM
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rj.
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sweet. jesus.
Oct 20 2009 8:15PM
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mike720b
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ohh yea. shit.. theres like a lack of pressure right... like if we went out in space with no suit on your body would blow up to like double or triple the size right..
Oct 20 2009 9:47PM
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D-Ross
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Whenever I think about the universe and its vast lengths and astronomical things that surround it, I can't help but think of the cat in Men in Black. It had a necklace that contained a universe. That always blew my mind thinking that could be the universe I'm in right now.
Oct 20 2009 10:07PM
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.SimonB.
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wow... we are so insignificant
Oct 20 2009 10:16PM
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Tasche
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Actually Kaku wrote a book called "Visions" in like 1998 or so, maybe early 2000 where he made prediction, like the expansion of the internet, flat screen tvs, mapping the human genome. All of which came true.
Oct 20 2009 10:29PM
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Wirta
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damn. i equal a single grain of sand after looking at this shit.
Oct 20 2009 10:30PM
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Hansel.
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way less than that
Oct 20 2009 10:31PM
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Charles^stevens
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Yes thats getting to the right point,   The Red light thoery  is something along the lines of that everything is moving away,  which supports the bang thorey or a variation of it,  there was an explosion (caused by what who knows) and everything is now moving away, thus expanding the univers.   
Oct 20 2009 11:37PM
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mr_shifty
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Same with me. If you think space ends, then what is there a wall? How can that be but if you say it is ever expanding and infinite then that has to be relative to something. Its an absolute mind fuck.
Oct 21 2009 1:09AM
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