Replying to Need help with camcorder choice.

im thinking about maybe getting this camera this winter and need some help deciding. Ive searchbarred and stuff but i still need a little help.
Im looking for a cheap camera, 600 dollars or less and lower the better.
Ive seen the hv20/30/40 and they look like a good deal, i was just wondering if theres a cheaper camera thats going to have a  price to performance like the hv. Also, would it be better to have a consumer camera like the hv30 or something that has more manual controls.
Currently my best choice is an hv30, but do you have other suggestions?
sorry for the noob post.