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.jr
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I need help for my intro class, who wants to help?
Oct 2 2009 11:19PM
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KarmaInitiative
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what do u need?
Oct 3 2009 11:11AM
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.jr
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Right now Ive got most of the stuff up that I want, but it looks like shit.. How do I organize and place info where I want it? I only know basic html code.. My guess is tables, but that seems like a pain in the ass. If I am supposed to use tables, is there a way to make a table self contained? Such as only 400 px long and use a scroll bar to reveal the rest of the info?

Also how to you make your background image resize according to how big the user window is?
Oct 3 2009 11:19AM
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freeskibum82
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easiest way to mock up a website: www.960.gs. read up on that and CSS. pm me if you want help getting started.
Oct 3 2009 5:55PM
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Atypical
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are you using frontpage, or dreamweaver?

just google HTML tutorials.
Oct 4 2009 10:41AM
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.jr
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neither, Im using smultron to write the code..


also, I opened up my background.jpg into ps and made some slight changes, then saved it under the same name in the same location as it was before, and now my background is not showing up...why?
Oct 4 2009 12:30PM
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.jr
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some wants to help.. I know you do.
Oct 4 2009 2:38PM
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KarmaInitiative
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no clue on the background thing

dont use tables, try to use css & divs

i think the best way to learn web is to install firebug and inspect web pages to learn how html is structured and how css modifies it
Oct 4 2009 3:08PM
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KarmaInitiative
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also http://www.w3schools.com
Oct 4 2009 3:09PM
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.jr
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We dont know much css and none of divs yet.. but what does firebug do?

And I use the w3 validator, but it always just tells me Im  fucking shit up. What does this error mean?

"No Character Encoding Found! Falling back to UTF-8."
Oct 4 2009 3:16PM
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Cant-Er
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my threads for later tonight when i sit down to start my intro to web dev hw.
Oct 4 2009 5:29PM
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KarmaInitiative
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the character encoding thing isnt important, you wont have any problems with it

css and divs are kinda important to learn. css is style codes that you can write to modify things. if i put css on a page that says:

p {
background-color:red;
font-family:arial,sans-serif;
font-size:11px;
}

than the text inside any

tags will be arial size 11px font and the paragraph will have a red background

you can apply css to any type of tag. you can also apply it to idems by class or id by saying
.classname {
or
#id {
replacing classname or id with the name of your class or id


firebug is a firefox extension that lets you inspect web pages to look at how they are built and look at how css effects them. it also does a ton of other stuff like managing DOM, debuging javascript and viewing load times, but you probably dont need those yet

download it here https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/1843

once you install it, you can right click anywhere on a webpage and view the html structure of it

good luck!

Oct 4 2009 5:56PM
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Snowcase
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Why would anyone help you?

https://newschoolers.com/web/forums/readthread/thread_id/484506/
Oct 4 2009 6:53PM
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.jr
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Yeah I do use css, just from what Ive read through a book, as we haven't gotten there in class. I didnt know about the firebug so thanks for that!

And snowcase, because not everyone is as dim witted as you. Because not everyone thinks spending $600 on a body "for fun" is justified. Even the OG poster, because he couldn't even justify it (notice how his 12 year old mind never came back to the thread to argue my points? He simply argued my ways). So how about you go back to promoting your made up forum elsewhere, but Im pretty sure it would still get hated on. (yeah I saw you post that shitty forum on SP, I laughed at how right everyone was.)
Oct 4 2009 8:05PM
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Snowcase
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And you still haven't posted your expert photos. Until you do, your irrational arguments mean nothing to me.

Just because you're hiding behind a computer does not mean you're not responsible for what you say. I posted it so people could see what an ass you were making of yourself for getting so worked up about how someone else spends their money. The kid was looking for help, much as you are now... Why would anyone want to help you when you obviously know everything and everyone else opinion is wrong?

Oh and if you were so much smarter than me you would have googled it and I wouldn't be posting this right now. I couldn't really care less, just making sure people know the type of person you really are before helping you.
Oct 4 2009 8:29PM
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.jr
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Glad to see your a self loving cunt. You know, Euthypro didnt think he was doing anything wrong either. If you didn't care, you wouldnt of posted.

The difference between me and that 12 year old boy, was that he wasnt looking for help, he just went and spent a bunch of money on shit he didnt need. I however am looking for help, I could of just gone out and bought dreamweaver to do this shit for me, but instead I went and bought a nice 650 page book so that I code understand the code and do it myself.

If you would of read that thread with an open mind you would of noticed that I said I wont post my photos until I have my own site. Now guess what? Im trying to make my own site!

But I still loved that cute little speech you gave me on internet annomity. Im not 12, I know how shit works and would love to meet you in person so I could repeat everything I said in that childs thread. Im sorry that you fail to appreciate anything that I say because I do not cherry coat my words. Please leave, and if you still feel like being a cunt, pm me.
Oct 4 2009 8:41PM
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Snowcase
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He was looking for people who have the same camera to give him help. The way he went about it is what makes it different. You act like people should be thankful you're asking them for help. And you called me a "self loving cunt"? I don't really want to see your photos. How could you not tell that was sarcasm?

I don't appreciate what you say because of the way you say it. Just because you feel better about your insecurities by calling someone dumb does not make you seem more intelligent. In fact, it does the opposite.
Oct 4 2009 9:05PM
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Snowcase
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BTW you have a PM as well.
Oct 4 2009 9:07PM
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.jr
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"Oh and if you were so much smarter than me you would have googled it and I wouldn't be posting this right now. I couldn't really care less, just making sure people know the type of person you really are before helping you."

This is why you are a self loving cunt, not anything else.


And to clear up your statements for you:

How was he looking for help? He has a D90, shouldn't he be able to understand a D60 in about, say 3 seconds?

What does you not appreciating my words have to do with any of my emotional habits? I get what you are TRYING to say, but thats completely irrelevant. Anyone with a brain would of told the OG poster that his choice was moronic. In fact, if you look at the first two responses, they do in fact say that. Now please shut the fuck up, clearly your the only one who still cares about what I say. Not even the OG poster ever went to as much length as you are to tell me Im wrong, so please stop trying to defend the guilty, especially when its someone who you don't know, and have probably never met.

Ill copy and paste this in a PM, just like you did.
Oct 4 2009 9:25PM
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toominator
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Learn css. Tables shouldn't be used for layout, that shits so '99.

if you still need help be more specific about what you're trying to do
Oct 4 2009 10:51PM
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.jr
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To be honest, Ive figured out most of the shit, but I cant seem to figure this out..

"Also how to you make your background image resize according to how big the user window is?"

Can someone explain to me in dumb english what divs do, I read up (somewhat) on them, but the article never said what they did.
Oct 4 2009 11:31PM
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toominator
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imo background images are horrible and shouldn't be used. use a tiling background and the repeat properties.

divs are containers. they're like a parent element for all of the child selectors within. you can use them for positioning and a whole bunch of shit. you'll be using them lots when you learn more about css

I'd reccomend getting web design in a nutshell from oriley publishers it covers all this stuff really well. probably one of the most useful reference books you can have when you're learning html and css
Oct 4 2009 11:42PM
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.jr
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Well this is just a basic site, so Im using a background image.

And yeah I got the divs were parent containers, but I didn't get how that could help the structure. Maybe I am just missing something, but it seems like there should be some style tags or something that says I want this box of info, this wide, at this location..

We are using Head first with HTML and CSS, but we have class tomorrow, so I can sit down with my teacher and have her look over what I have..
Oct 4 2009 11:51PM
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toominator
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thats exactly what a div does....

in your html file:


This is my header


This is another paragraph. The text would be yellow.




in your css file:

#header{
color: blue;
bg-color: green;
width: 240px;
position: absolute;
left: 20px;
margin: 5 0 5 0;
padding: 5;
}

.yellow{
color: yellow;
bg-color: inherit;
}

so you see, you can do all of those things with divs. div being the parent element it can set the defaults for things such as font colour and size etc for all of the elements inside it. it probably sounds more confusing than it actually is, but as soon as you start playing around with it more you'll get hte hang of it pretty quick
Oct 5 2009 12:00AM
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toominator
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the first bit didnt work
html:

< div id = " header " >
< p >This is my header < / p >
< p class = " yellow " >This is another paragraph. The text would be yellow. < / p >
< / div >
Oct 5 2009 12:04AM
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.KYLE.
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I am soo happy there not needed anymore, they are really really scary.
Oct 5 2009 12:10AM
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.jr
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I think I get it, divs linked to css are just a way of giving grouped selections the same style attributes? But could you not do the same for tables?

whats the difference between class and divs
Oct 5 2009 12:18AM
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mmallender.
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mythreads for some good html info! +k to everyone posting! its a big help
Oct 5 2009 1:10AM
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toominator
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seriously, forget about tables already. they're ONLY for presenting data, NOT layout. Tables aren't even properly supported and rendered the same across all browsers.

To do what you're saying in a table you would have to nest a table inside a table. That's bad news bears.

Divs are more than just for giving a group of selectors the same styles, they are used for positioning as well as other things. It is important to remember that the parent of a series of child selectors can act in a similar way to a div, it just needs to be given an id. This way you can cut down on the number of divs in your html, creating cleaner code.

classes and divs are totally different things.
a div is a container, classes apply a specific set of styles to an element (which could happen to be a div)


id's and class are css selectors.

an id declaration is used when the element will only be used ONCE in a single html page (mainly for layout purposes - eg you would style your header div with an id='header' or something similar because there will presumably only be one header on the page)

a class declaration is used for multiple instances in a single page. this is used for styling things like paragraphs or images eg you might want a class for making certain paragraphs appear in italics and yellow text, say for quotes. instead of using html code in the page to make paragparhs appear that way you could use classes. < p class="quote" > "The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog." < / p >
Oct 5 2009 4:37AM
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freeskibum82
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unfortunately for eMail Marketing they are all we use.... ask me how i know.. ugghh... tables suck..
Oct 5 2009 9:35AM
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KarmaInitiative
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unfortunately, they might be making him use tables in his web design class, which sucks

you can use css with tables, its just more for styling, not for position

ex



Content
...

youll find that tables are much more complicated and much harder to use, theyre only real purpose is to use them as you would use a table in a word document

continuing with my firebug lesson, once you inspect an element theres two columns inside firebug. the left colum is the html structure of the page, the left has style, layout and dom. dont worry about dom, its only really important for javascript. under style, you can see all the css that applies to the element and you can add change and remove things. try dat out
Oct 5 2009 4:26PM
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freeskibum82
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http://informz.com/blog_advisor.html

read my blog... youll learn the value of tables pretty quickly for marketing..
Oct 5 2009 4:35PM
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toominator
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that is a specific application though, for an email template it's not so bad, but for web sites they should be avoided where possible.

And yeah, hopefully they're just teaching tables at the start of the class so it emphasises the benefits of using css for layouts.
Oct 5 2009 4:56PM
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.jr
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bingo.
Oct 5 2009 7:11PM
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ferrari
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