So this thread is aimed at conservatives. Liberals beware of getting pissed.

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well, thank you sir. it probably has to do with the fact that the poli sci class im taking is discussion based and i need good, well formed opinions to at least try and make fools of people i disagree with.

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I think you need to reevaluate your entire conception of what conservatism is. To get you started, communism is a radical ideology, not a reactionary ideology. It is on the far left of the spectrum. The only example I can think of a right-wing socialist or communist system was in Classical Sparta.

Sep 29 2009 8:39PM

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Sep 29 2009 8:44PM

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this is how i would feel if i had to pay taxes

Sep 29 2009 9:43PM

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so, its agreed that Jenifa doesnt know whats going on? even amongst those that usually dont agree?

Sep 29 2009 9:52PM

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but this is not how i'd feel if i was a single parent, making minimum wage, trying to support 3 kids.

Sep 29 2009 9:54PM

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hahahha sickkk. I'm in a class on Ancient Civil war and my professor always talks shit about 300. It's pretty funny, she knows her shit too. She also has a huge beef against the movie Troy, and refuses to see Alexander, that flop starring Colin Farrel.

Sep 29 2009 10:04PM

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oh i realize. historically inaccurate to the max. but whenever i read the word sparta thats all i can think of

Sep 29 2009 10:11PM

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reading throught this thread, the last page at least has beed a pleasure NS, no mindless political banter

i think its a step in the right direction

Sep 29 2009 10:37PM

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*through

Sep 29 2009 10:38PM

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this video is completely illegitimate, but seeing as the conservatives are bashing obama's plan, raising taxes for health care that is was inevitable. I do asked you conservatives what would be a better option?

Sep 29 2009 10:44PM

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you also missed that you used BEED instead of BEEN.....

Sep 29 2009 10:45PM

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fuck, thanks

Sep 29 2009 10:46PM

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I am waiting for someone to respond.

Sep 29 2009 10:54PM

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As Ben said last night in that thread about Chicago that spiraled out of control really fast. "Its not my job so i dont know"......

the problem i personally have with it (and it's probably because i cant understand it) is how Obama says you can keep the health insurance you get from your employer and yet, to do that the employer would have to pay MORE than they would by just paying the tax for not covering their employees.... seems kinda like a funnel to get everyone under one big plan and the government control ALL healthcare for everyone just seems scary for me. i used to work for the City Of Bellingham and granted its a City government but there is SO MUCH redtape for EVERYTHING in government it just scares me what might happen if government runs healthcare.

im sorry, that was a really long winded answer compared to what was in my head.

Sep 29 2009 10:57PM

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no prob man.

Sep 29 2009 10:59PM

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so throwing more money at these problems will make them all go away?

i believe we do need to provide for the common defense of our nation. you can make a case that the government should educate or at the least pay for our education. i agree that we need roads to help facilitate a vibrant free market.

what was your point on airplanes? that the military budget is not big enough? im also unsure as to how you plan to solve bad meat. shit happens. more inspectors, what?

i get pissy when my tax dollars go to pay for that deadbeat on the street to continue his deadbeat lifestyle. if youre able bodied, i have a couple of words for you.... "its called a job, go get one" but im a cold hearted bastard. i readily accept this. so no need calling me one.

Sep 29 2009 11:08PM

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fuck...... you said spinach, not beef, my bad.

Sep 29 2009 11:09PM

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see i could get into this with you, but i feel like weve had this convo at LEAST 7 times, and im just too tired. so you win tonight eh? btw did you end up lawn darting off the roof today? lmfao

Sep 29 2009 11:10PM

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i decided i have to much to live for. hahaha

Ben, i came to the realization i am VERY GOOD at thinking like a liberal. i aced my sociology test. yesssss! (that was a joke) but i did ace it. hahahaha

Sep 29 2009 11:13PM

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Haha that's absolutely hilarious. My classics professor is a bronze age archaeologist and he's talked about Troy in his lectures multiple times.

Sep 29 2009 11:14PM

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damn. one less conservative on this planet would be a good thing :) JOKES

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heyheyhey.... FUCK you. damn hippy. that wears tall ts.... FRAUD!!!!!

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dude, my professor is like, a 65 year old woman with the saggiest boobs and really wrinkly skin. Her hair is about as grey as it gets, and she never wears a bra. But boy, she is a genius when it comes to classical history. She is always dropping ancient greek and roman names, expecting that we know who the fuck she is referring to. Today, she was shocked that we don't read roman comedies in our spare time. She posts optional reading articles in french and italian,and half the shit she makes us read is written in ancient greek, thinking we know how to read that shit. The cool thing is, she acknowledges that most of us are in the class to fulfill some bs honors college course requirement, so she doesn't mind if we don't do some of the readings.

In classics, have you guys read any Thucydides, Polybius, or Appian? How about any Caesar? We have finished a bunch of Thucydides major histories and are just now moving into Appian and Caesar. The class is pretty hard, our only grades come from 3 essays and a research paper, and half of us have no clue what she is talking about.

Sep 29 2009 11:21PM

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this is where i stopped reading.... sorry.

Sep 29 2009 11:25PM

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why? had to start beating off? hahahahaha

Sep 29 2009 11:27PM

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having a cold that has essentially turned to broncitis, being high on weed, and high on nicotine from Hookah makes my attention span VERY short and my imagination is in overdrive and i had to go puke up some of my dinner.

Sep 29 2009 11:32PM

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oh yeah, i forgot to add.... i doubt i could beat off to save my life. my gf rode me hard earlier today so i dont anything would happen even if i tried.

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dude, you don't even know. I have to fight the urge to rub it out right there in the class room. Just kidding, she looks like your typical creepy, grumpy, old lady neighbor with 300 cats running around.

Sep 29 2009 11:34PM

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super hawt!!! lol

Sep 29 2009 11:43PM

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but.... oh god, stupid high brain is giving me BBBBBAAAAAADDDDDD images rightnow.

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Yeah no, we don't really have to read that much. It's really just an overview of the ancient world's and its civilizations. My professor just rambles on about random shit for an hour and lets us go at least 15 minutes early from class.

My class is a joke. We have to read like 150 pages a week but I do that without trying.

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we shouldn't allow freeloaders in society. And I argue this with my overly liberal friends all the time. He cites that those freeloaders are an extremely small % of people, I argue that he can go to any ghetto and see tons of them.

But in general I feel like we do not pay enough taxes, or our tax dollars are not being spent wisely.

No matter who is in office, or what the case is. As americans we should not fear buying produce, driving over bridges, or fear for getting cancer. You know this is how it works with cancer.

My mom got cancer while she was a school bus driver. She had insurance through her work. Well we all know you can't be having cancer and driving a bus around. So she no longer worked. Her employer based health care only lasted so long and then she was allowed to go on a state run health program for 9 months. After that time she was not insurable because she had a pre-existing condition. So she spent the remainder of her life battling with insurance companies for treatment, instead of actually fighting the cancer.

My mom worked 22 years in a factory, spent the next 10 years of her life as a school bus driver during the majority of the year, and the summers working at a convenience store. She was by no means a free loader, but she passed away broke with little to her name. I remember toward the end she was able to get her $2137 a month medication paid for by the drug company if she agreed to basically be their gerbil to monitor her health closely and see what happened. We had called literally everywhere for financial support. All the cancer foundations, fucking montell williams, you name it, we called it.

She had Stage IV lung cancer. It's hard to feel sorry for someone who smoked all their life until they had a tumor. But the point here is no one should work hard all their life, to get cancer, let go of work, then have to find insurance on your own. Just to find out you have a pre-existing condition, and you aren't getting shit.

I'll agree with Michael Moore, all it takes a major illness to take an entire family to the poorhouse. My parents were split up, so there was no health care my dad could offer her.

America needs health care reform, and America needs reform in a number of other areas as well.

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WATCH THE VIDEO. LISTEN TO THE WEINER!

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If you make over $110,000 a year, you do not pay social security taxes on anything over $110k.

Social security tax is about 7%. If you taxed the full income of all individuals, starting tomorrow we could have enough money in social security to last us until 2087.

One simple way to fix a large problem.

Sep 30 2009 10:28AM

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didn't you all hear, the public option is dead. Woot, woot!

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yeah. i suppose shes right in that sense. but considering we were talking about conservatives in america, i was using the american definition, ie little goverment.

Sep 30 2009 12:40PM

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damn fucking straight. i kinda wish american would change their definition of what liberal and conservative is so that when you start talking with people from other countries shit doesnt get confusing as fuck.

Sep 30 2009 12:46PM

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true, but we all have super shitty healthcare, i would rather pay more and live longer

Sep 30 2009 1:27PM

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There's a million loopholes that are taken advantage of by the upper class which trivial amounts could easily help the social security problem also.

Sep 30 2009 1:48PM

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I wonder the same thing, but some how a similar system seems to be working in Germany which is cheaper than what we spend.

I think the idea is that you can have your own private insurance if you still believe it better than the public system. The other thing is that they expect the cost of insurance to also go down making it cheaper for employers to offer insurance. Of course that wouldn't happen right away. But I'm sure plenty of companies would keep their private insurance soley based on the fact that they are against a public option or it is something they offer and no one takes advantage of it.

Instance - Mammoth mountain offers a private insurance option which costs $7 a week. It is the worst insurance plan in existance and there for only about 10% of the workers are on the plan. If the public option became available, it is likely it would be cheaper for them to keep this plan than pay taxes and everyone who doesn't want it would just go on a public option.

I believe in germany the only private insurance is purchased by the individual in which case these are wealthy people and they do get treated before people on the public plan... but everyone does get treated.

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