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Armada JJ's vs. Line SF Bacon

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spiegel
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I'm very torn on either of these skis.

5'9"ish and 145 lbs.  Will be used mostly in Colorado snow. 

I think the deciding factor will be the weight, which one of these 2 are lighter?  Unless you can persuade me to get the heavier one if it's better in any way.
Sep 27 2009 7:55PM
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Not sure about weight but the bacons are SOOOOOOO much better. Besides the brands the bacons are at the width where they handle extremely well in powder and very well in shit. Super buttery and super stable
Sep 27 2009 8:10PM
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no_steeze
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i can assume you have only skied the bacons then, the jj basically takes the bacon, adds float in pow, stability in crud, better performance switch riding, and a better feel all around. as a former owner of both, i can say the jj wins in every situation that i was using the skis for

also they are exactly the same width underfoot so not sure what you meant by that

the jj is an interesting ski that's incredibly fun and kills it everywhere. floats in pow and never hooks and is capable of charging or just playing around

the bacon is a great ski in medium deep pow and on groomers that gets tossed in crud, is too short, and too soft. i think the only true statement you made was that the bacon is buttery

weight makes NO difference in skis or bindings unless you're touring or you really care about swing weight. the jj's will feel lighter in the air than bacons because of the more centered tip contact points, with the taper in tip and tail it brings everything towards the center so the ski rides shorter and feels more centered, hence why you should only mount at recommended. also i impair you to get the 185 jj, they ski ridiculously short
Sep 27 2009 8:20PM
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mvele
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^^^That was probably the most helpful comment I have ever read on this site......nice work!! I am not comparing these skis but if i ever wanted to I already have the answers....
Sep 27 2009 8:43PM
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spiegel
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thanks man.

was kinda hoping for the bacons cuz their base design is hott.
Sep 27 2009 9:16PM
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no_steeze
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we've all been there, just go with what you want but i highly recommend the jj's
if you pick bacons just because of graphics you should probably stab yourself
Sep 27 2009 9:36PM
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Right? I took the bacons from shit snow to Jackson Hole pow with a friend who has the JJs and he and i both concluded that the bacons were better handling. Listen if i had no clue what i was talking about i wouldnt post a response. I found that in snow that can only compare to crusty mashed potatoes that the Bacons did better (after riding both through it). In pow they are easy to control, they go edge to edge on groomers like a racing ski and they are super fun to jib and take in park. So yeah i have no fucking clue what im talking about. THANKS

Sep 27 2009 9:38PM
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spiegel
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lol im not that dumb.

i definitely know quality > looks

would be nicer if both skis swapped graphics though. :P
Sep 27 2009 9:45PM
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no_steeze
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i just can't see how you could possibly conceive that after riding both, the bacons hook like ass in crusty shit whereas jj's just slide right through. they're also considerably stiffer so when you charge shit you don't get tip flap or bounced everywhere

i agree, the bacons are easier to ski but they don't handle nearly as well as jj's at decent speeds. the jj's are just so much snappier and more responsive. they're both great skis but when you really push them and try to get the most out of the skis, the jj's absolutely win. the jj's were so amazing at super high speeds in like 6" of pow, they get you right on top and never hook so you can go as fast as you would need without worrying about hooking whereas with bacons i was constantly paranoid they were gonna send me over the bars if i pushed them too hard
Sep 27 2009 9:49PM
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no_steeze
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^^not to mention jj's feel like slalom skis on groomers with the tight as fuck radius

your comments really make it sound like you've never ridden the jj, i just don't see where any of your claims come from. i've ridden both skis in the same conditions and im just not on the same page as you
Sep 27 2009 9:52PM
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ArnieP
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Maybe he just sucks at skiing and liked the Bacon's because they are easier to ski.
Sep 27 2009 10:47PM
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I suck because i like the bacons? your logic seems flawed
Sep 27 2009 10:53PM
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ArnieP
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No, that is putting words into my mouth.
Sep 27 2009 10:54PM
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? alright then.
Sep 27 2009 10:57PM
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no_steeze
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well that, or you have an extremely strange skiing style that makes bacons better in crud

your argument just really makes me feel more and more like you have never skied jj's

also what did you mean by the brands? are you saying line is better than armada regardless of what skis they put out?
Sep 27 2009 11:02PM
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ArnieP
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Sounds like he did say that.
Sep 27 2009 11:04PM
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no_steeze
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yes, i am getting that vibe as well
Sep 27 2009 11:06PM
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ArnieP
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What a toolbag.
Sep 27 2009 11:11PM
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ReetsAdeets
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Havent skied the SFBs, but my friend has JJs, and Ive tried them some. The JJs are super sweet. the rocker makes them sick in pow, and you an probably ski deeper stuff easier than on SFBs.They are moderately stiff so you can charge. Knowing that EPs skis are usually super soft (I have lizzies and have flexed EP Pros), I would guess that the SFB is pretty soft to, which might limit you in charging stuff. Not to say that the SFB isnt sick, it seems great.  I also know that the JJs are super light, so i would bet that they are the lighter pair. Another thing is that the top sheet on the JJs is really high quality. Kinda hard to explain unless you have compared them with K2 Hellbents but... The noses dont chip and they shine and stuff. idk, just looks really nice and tough. knowing that Line is owned by K2, and havng Lizzies, I can say that the topsheet qualities arent nearly as nice. I vote JJs. But SFBs are dope as well.
Sep 28 2009 12:01AM
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When did this become a shit on me session for two people? I dont think line is better than armada, i ride the Alpha 1's and love them. Now i understand the alpha 1 is a smaller version of the JJ but i just enjoy the feel of the bacon more for everything out of park. Am i going to get shit on and my karma go down everytime i say something against the JJ's? I mean hell the guy's asking for opinions and i'm just giving mine. PERSONALLY I LIKE THE BACONS BETTER! Opinions are like assholes, everyones got one and some are more full of shit than others.
Sep 28 2009 12:06AM
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no_steeze
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homo....
Sep 28 2009 12:08AM
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ReetsAdeets
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Ok, stop the flame war. Humps likes the SFBs better and told the OP that. The guy with the odd icon (forgot your name sry) likes and swears by the JJs. Stop fucking bickering about it. Just answer the freaking thread question.
Sep 28 2009 12:16AM
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no_steeze
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haha im just fucking with this kid, i think he's full of shit

i've openly voiced my opinion earlier on in the thread, i'm done
Sep 28 2009 12:26AM
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ReetsAdeets
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Thank you. Somebody else with an opinion or something post. Or if anybody has reviews on either one post up.
Sep 28 2009 12:27AM
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no_steeze
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well gotta chime in once more

Sep 28 2009 12:41AM
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ArnieP
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Well since you DID just say something about your karma, I went ahead and lowered it.

kthx
Sep 28 2009 11:15AM
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spiegel
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i enjoyed this thread.

I just ordered armada JJ's with SAS2 bindings from evogear.

thanks.
Sep 28 2009 6:41PM
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DirtyMick
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Baller.

Good choice.

I was gonna chime in that No_Steeze knows what he is talking about. I too own a pair of JJs and completely agree with his review. Couldn't have said it better.


Sep 28 2009 9:37PM
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no_steeze
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oh no i actually haven't skied jj's, or bacons for that matter, my brothers friend's sister's cousin told me they were good though, i made up the rest
Sep 28 2009 9:47PM
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Clandestino
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I respect the fact that you like Bacons better...but this makes no sense.  JJ's and Bacons are the exact same width underfoot.  I have skied both skis, and must say that the JJ is better, lighter, more stable, and an all around better ski. 
I don't understand how a ski can be "super buttery and super stable" at the same time...I've never come accross a skis that does this...I and i guarantee that I have skied more skis than you.
Both skis are great, but I am not a Bacon supporter.  They ski great in all conditions(probably the best fat ski out there for groomers), but they really do not turn the way the JJ will.  The JJ is slashy, floaty, and really will do any type of turn that you throw at it.  They even handle amazingly at high speeds...something the Bacon folds in.
I have my JJ's mounted with Dukes, and they are hands down my favorite ski out right now.  If you are considering comparable skis, look at the S7 or Bibby at 115mm in the waist.  Those skis also blow the Bacons out of the water. 

Don't trust kids like this who pack a ski in the anus because they own it or really like a brand...
Sep 28 2009 11:00PM
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shortdawg
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wut
Sep 29 2009 12:05AM
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