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Bibby vs. BentChetler

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I need your help it's a very difficult choice right now for me..

I need a 100% pow, tight trees ski for east coast (mostly Jay Peak)

I'm 5.11 160

186 Bibby or BentChetler??

Thanks everybody!
Aug 20 2009 3:04AM
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backwardsrider
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i would say night trains because they are tapered.
Aug 20 2009 3:27AM
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carbon.pulse
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ON3P Billy Goat. Tight turn radius for trees but still with width and rocker for staying afloat.
Aug 20 2009 3:43AM
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edd1e
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JJ in a 185 would probably be better than the bentchetler, I mean if you dont really need 120mm+ underfoot.

JJ vs Bibby now thats harder.

I think d-structure.com may still have some bibbys for $250.....
Aug 20 2009 9:41AM
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Where you see that?? if it's true i will buy it right now!
Aug 20 2009 12:10PM
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PappaG
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They are advertised for $250 on D-Structure but it's fucking bogus since they further list them as "SOLD OUT" if you click on it.


Go with the 186 Bibbys and support America and handmade awesomeness. You won't be disappointed.
Aug 20 2009 12:42PM
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PappaG
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This thread should help you out:
https://www.newschoolers.com/web/forums/readthread/thread_id/453172/

Bibby's are just stupid quick in the trees given the rockered tip and tail as well as moderate taper on both ends. The 190 has some camber whereas the 186 is flattish.
Aug 20 2009 12:45PM
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But they are sold out or not?
Aug 20 2009 12:46PM
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PappaG
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Yes, sold out. In fact, I'm pretty sure the 08/09 Bibby's were sold out completely right around the end of January. So you would have to pre-order through Moment ( http://momentskis.com/mstore/index.php?cPath=28 )or wait until your local shop gets them where they'll probably be marked down.

The new site should be launching soon and will have distribution information.
Aug 20 2009 12:50PM
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Ok thanks now do you suggest me 186 or 190?
Aug 20 2009 1:10PM
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PappaG
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At your size and given the location, I would suggest the 186. The 190 is pretty beefy when compared to the shorter length and for a dedicated pow ski, you'll appreciate the flat camber more. A friend of mine who's the same height/weight as you skied the 186 Bibby all last year here in Colorado (as long as it wasn't boilerplate) and he loved them.

I really think you'll be plenty stoked - as you can see, you rarely find this ski up for sale.
Aug 20 2009 1:16PM
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DR.SHRED
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bibbys there hand made come on
Aug 20 2009 1:44PM
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Loco-Deer-Slayer
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I have ridden Bents for one season and I am pretty much identical height and weight to you. LOVE THEM!!! Durability wise the tip and tail delaminated within the season but they have gotten warrantied. I ski aggressive all mountain and they are awesome
Aug 20 2009 1:46PM
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Balto
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and they are hand made right in the PNW buy some of the sickest guys ever!
Aug 20 2009 1:46PM
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and what is the main difference between the Bibby and Night train?
Aug 20 2009 2:25PM
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PappaG
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The Night Train is wider and has huge taper at the tip and tail - this makes the ski really easy to spin and pivot on while keeping the mass of the ski underfoot. The Bibby 186 is a softer playful powder ski that pivots very well, but not as easily as the NT.

NT dims = 140-123-135
Bibby 186 = 143-115-134

So you can see that the NT has much less sidecut and will feel less hooky in powder because of it.

Aug 20 2009 2:33PM
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either way i dont think you can go wrong with the bibby or the night train...i really want to try out the night train but i have tried bibby's and they are fantastic...the guys at moment know what they are doing and im not just saying that cause i own some.
Aug 20 2009 2:40PM
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So what is the best for east coast tight tree?
Aug 20 2009 3:23PM
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PappaG
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The NT seems like it would be the best of the options. And once the snow begins to get tracked out, the exaggerated tapered design will help slice through the crud with ease - I've noticed it on the Bibby which doesn't have as nearly as much taper as the NT.

Whichever you go with, just make sure to never leave your sight. ;)
Aug 20 2009 3:42PM
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Ok thanks, any opinion?
Aug 20 2009 3:46PM
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Do you have a pic of the NT and Bibby Bases?
Aug 20 2009 4:18PM
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PappaG
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I'd get the NT. Below is a rocker profile to help show just how well they will pivot.


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(click image to view in much larger size)
Aug 20 2009 4:19PM
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PappaG
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NT on the left, Bibby on the right:

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Aug 20 2009 4:26PM
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The right one are the bibby bases?? I thought it was That... (second by the left)
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Aug 20 2009 4:34PM
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PappaG
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Yes, those are the bases for the proto Bibbys (I have the same pair). The bases of the production model will be more similar to the picture I just posted.
Aug 20 2009 4:51PM
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that's nice
Aug 20 2009 4:58PM
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And for the bibby topsheet are you set?
Aug 20 2009 5:28PM
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PappaG
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The topsheet will pretty much be the same with a few added graphics. It's not definite yet so I don't want to post anything further.
Aug 20 2009 5:35PM
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edd1e
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Night Trains look sick.

Will be stoked if there are any Canadian/Whistler dealers this year.

I am tossing up between JJ's and Night Trains.

My roommate has Bentchetlers, so I cant get those, lol
Aug 20 2009 5:51PM
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