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For the morons who accuse town meeting protestors of being conservative thugs....look at your cronies before passing judgement

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Delphi
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The double standards in this country are astounding, and the media representation, fueled by Obama's desperate attempts to counter growing opposition to healthcare reform, is downright embarassing. Click the link.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/08/12/analysis-press-largely-ignored-incendiary-rhetoric-bush-protest/

ps. fox is ridiculous too, but they make a nice point here. Liberal double-standard is insane.





Aug 12 2009 10:10PM
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InkShrink
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Delphi, I'm glad we see eye to eye here.
Aug 12 2009 10:15PM
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k-rob
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well at least Fox caught it and reported on it, now we can all go on living our lives.
Aug 12 2009 10:18PM
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Arabian.
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But wait - wasn't the protest by the liberals 7 years ago because we had just gone to war and the reports came out that 9/11 was somewhat avoidable? The conservatives have nothing of the sort to protest. It's just blind idiocy on their part. At least with the liberals, they had something to protest - even if it WAS over the top and basically retarded.

Don't think I'm taking a side - they attacked more than just Bush. I'm just looking at it objectively.

Aug 12 2009 10:26PM
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Delphi
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haha one of your few comments I have agreed with. Touche!
Aug 12 2009 10:27PM
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skiminnesota
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you know what i dont want to see? conservatives protesting like liberals............ OH SNAP.


Aug 12 2009 11:35PM
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Delphi
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haha because every time liberals protest, something always gets destroyed or burnt down and people get hurt. Generally, a lone liberal is a gigantic pussy, but when they come together, they become emboldened by their cause and resort to cowardly protest tactics that almost always overshadow their cause and ultimately detract from their message. These town halls are not full of conservative punks-for-hire or mercenaries paid off by the Republicans or the insurance companies (who, for that matter, are behind health care reform), they are concerned citizens who are already content with their plans and don't want to see themselves and their families fucked over by Obamacare.

The latest Rasmussen poll shows that 53% of VOTING Americans strongly disapprove of the congressional healthcare reform plan, while 42% strongly approve. This is very intriguing, as it shows the quickening of opposition to the plan and the hardening of resolve against Congressional reform. With that said, it is also important to note that among american VOTERS, only 32% favor a single-payer system, while a whopping 57% do not. Most importantly, 44% of VOTERS are strongly against the health care reform effort while 26% strongly support it.

These numbers come in as the Rasmussen daily presidential poll tracker reports that 48% of polled VOTERS somewhat approve of Mr. Obama's policies while 52% disapprove.

Now, all poll results should obviously be taken with a grain of salt and intelligently read and processed, but keep in mind, pollsters like Rasmussen are the most accurate and pertinent poll numbers out there because they are based solely on the opinions of VOTING, and I emphasize the word VOTING!, Americans. Does anyone sense a shift, or is this just normal. Think what you will, I believe people are wising up to the shitshow in D.C.
Aug 13 2009 1:00AM
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Arabian.
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Oh come on Delphi. If you're going to make a political thread, don't ruin it with disprectful and unintelligent posts. Fuck Why can't people just have intelligent conversations without going into hyperbole and insult?
Aug 13 2009 1:02AM
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lloyd_christmas
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delph, ya know i always agree with ya buddy, but you're about a month or two late.

the outflux of  liberal outbursts, "facts" arguments, claims, whatever you want to call them has been remarkable on this site alone.  nationwide....you bet.  everyone is beginning to realize what the hell just happened.
Aug 13 2009 1:07AM
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0ptions
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OR, we could just get along like us Canucks and stop making these threads because everyone has their own opinion. Someone will always disagree with you and no matter how much you may "throw" at the other person, you will never see eye to eye on some things.
Aug 13 2009 1:13AM
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lloyd_christmas
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that's so defeatist.  at some point, you have to have a spine.  avoiding an argument over what color sprinkles to put on a batch of cup cakes is one thing.  this, another...

these things matter, and anyone who claims their opinions haven't been altered or shaped by what someone says or even (sadly, more importantly) how they say it (sup barack) is lying to everyone, including themselves.  you never know who you might enlighten.
Aug 13 2009 1:24AM
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Von
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This is because liberals don't respect property rights and it is why they think it's okay to steal and redistribute said property to whoever for the "common good".

You don't see very much conservative graffiti but you see liberal graffiti a lot.

Also liberals tend to be younger and  when young people get angry they direct this anger in a more violent destructive fashion.
Aug 13 2009 1:57AM
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jayo.
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I think that's the longest thread title in the history of ns
Aug 13 2009 2:04AM
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Ben.
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way to rather than address the fact that conservatives are acting like idiots, manage to still blame it on liberals. impressive.

do you know how much more credibility the conservative movement would have if they just went to the town hall meetings, asked the tough, legitimate questions that they have and *ghasp* actually wait and listen to the answers.

this death panel, swastika waving, hitler mustache on obama parading bunch of idiots is doing nothing but further discrediting a party thats already in trouble.


P.S. fuck pelosi for pulling the unamerican line. i fucking hate that.
Aug 13 2009 2:09AM
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Ben.
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i normally try and give at least decent responses but to this


FUCK YOU

stop trying to turn this into a liberals are evil bunch of bullshit. the way these protesters, and people like glenn beck who egg them on have conducted themselves is downright repulsive. its racist, its immature, and downright pathetic.
Aug 13 2009 2:15AM
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Von
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How the fuck is protesting this stuff racist? I honestly have  watched probably every one of these town hall videos and most of the punditry surrounding it and I haven't heard a single racist comment from anyone.

Just because you oppose the ideas of a half black man (well a little less than half) doesn't mean you're racist.
Aug 13 2009 2:17AM
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skier_boy26
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considering the amount of people coming out, to try to make it like "conservatives are acting like idiots" based on maybe 3 people and a couple of over-reiterated clips of some irate people and palin is a bit of a stretch, especially when you consider that many of the most provocative people haven't been necessarily conservatives, but many that identify themselves as moderates, independents, liberals, democrats, libertarians, etc.

In the end, some are stupid as shit, that shouldn't define it all, but then again, this bill is stupid as shit. Stupid is as stupid does eh?

Aug 13 2009 2:18AM
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skier_boy26
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I guess my main counter to you was that people are doing EXACTLY what you said would help their cause, or some shit like that.

Most clips that make the air of all these nazi racist extremists that hate the president  (jokes) are what, 30 seconds in length, max? Out of a multi-hour town hall, which there may be dozens going on simultaneously. Yea, really fucking obnoxious I'm sure.
Aug 13 2009 2:22AM
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Ben.
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please look beyond that. glenn beck went so far as to say that what obamas doing is reperations for whats been done to the blacks. the fact of the matter is rich white guys are scared that they no longer run the country.

this "my country is being destroyed" horse shit isnt just about socialism, its a panic that whites may no longer have control this country. thats not to say thats all of it, but its damn sure a part of it.

Aug 13 2009 2:24AM
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Willard
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no just no stop right there
Aug 13 2009 2:25AM
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Funnel
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Damn, I keep thinking it says Mormons in the title.
Aug 13 2009 2:28AM
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Ben.
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i wouldnt say its just a handful of people though. the yelling and drowning out of whatever represenative is holding the meeting seems to be a theme running through most of these. i understand some people are scared, but shit, let the man or woman speak.

also the sign waving lunatics outside are rediculous. again, understandably not all of them are, but swastikas and hitler mustaches? i mean seriously what the fuck. have some class.

that, combined with the immense number of downright stupid people willing to buy into every piece of chain mail they receive, or everything that comes out of some talking head on foxs mouth is just scary.

there are definitely problems with the various bills in committees right now, and they need to be addressed. but scared angry mobs buying into bullshit is not the way to address them.
Aug 13 2009 2:34AM
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Ben.
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hahahahahahhahahahaha way to miss the whole fucking point there buddy.
Aug 13 2009 2:35AM
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Ben.
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and im happy to see those people doing that. seriously. but the morons are overshadowing that, and discrediting the legitimate questions that need to be asked.


if there werent angry mobs, maybe the media would HAVE to cover the actual good questions that get asked.
Aug 13 2009 2:38AM
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Dukeybrains
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You guys sound like a bunch of goons
Aug 13 2009 2:38AM
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Von
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Dude I couldn't give two shits about what color someones skin is, it is completely irrelevant, like it couldn't matter less and I could say the say about most of the people on NS and most of the conservatives in this country.

They are destroying America, they are increase the deficit and debt, taking away rights and destroying capitalism step by step. This isn't just Obama it was Bush and Clinton before him. It's just that now it's personal because he wants to change how people make their own choices about their own health care. With Bushes wire taps sure I'm opposed to them but most Americans didn't care because they knew it probably would never effect them. Now with this health care reform every American knows that it will effect them personally and they aren't going to take it.

Liberals need to stop making the mistake that conservatives have an issue with Obama's race, they have an issue with the fact that he is a socialist and he is trying to push the country in that direction, it's pretty simple.  What conservatives don't like is affirmative action and reverse racism, it's why many were opposed to Sotomayors nomination. None of them cared that she was hispanic, not in the least bit.
Aug 13 2009 2:41AM
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skier_boy26
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while I agree with that sentiment (I'm not fan of screaming people and just overly pissed off people) and feel that people should be more civil, I also feel that the unease and rather angry views held by the mass of opposition (whatever allegiances they may declare aside) is instigated by the haste and lack of "transparency" by those pushing the bills out of committee; it isn't baseless. People are pissed for a reason. But I would agree that they shouldn't be yelling masses, but then again, the president shouldn't be pushing the biggest expenditure and overhaul of the economy in a matter of weeks.


Aug 13 2009 2:44AM
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Arabian.
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It almost seems like you're defending conservatives. They are just as guilty as the liberals of robbing people of their rights and their ability to live in the way they see fit. Why is it that you choose the side you're on, when you know that you are just as bad as your opponents?
Aug 13 2009 2:47AM
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Ben.
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dont kid yourself.

im not going to try and argue this with every individual on here, because i know every one of you isnt racist, has black friends, or some other anecdotal evidence as to your colorblindness.

either that or youll just rant about how black people are the racist ones, affirmative action is evil, reverse racism is the problem now, etc. which is really further proving my point that white folks are scared nowadays.

what we are seeing isnt a reasonable protest or people raising questions about policy they dont agree with. its a kneejerk fear reaction that definitely has racial ties.
Aug 13 2009 2:52AM
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Ben.
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what is with this five year old logic "so and so is doing something bad, so i can do something bad too"

sure he shouldnt be forcing it through, but screaming masses are certainly not helping the situation, your just adding fuel to the fire.

think about how easy it is now for democrats to discredit the conservative ideas, all they have to do is show the blithering morons screaming and acting like they are 8. act like responsible adults and youll get a hell of a lot more done.
Aug 13 2009 2:55AM
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Von
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I am defending them because they are the ones who are standing up against the expansion of government power. I was all over bush and conservatives in the last eight years for what they did and as a result I will not listen to any of the conservative pundits because of their sickening support for that evil regime. Now it is Obama who is trying to expand the powers of government and I will support the people who are opposing this expansion. Especially against false claims of racism.
Aug 13 2009 2:58AM
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Von
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I asked you why it was racist, and all you have is that it "definitely has racist ties".  Please explain to me how any of these protesters are racists. Have you heard them say racist things or slurs or have racist images or language on their signs. I for one have seen no evidence of racism from these protesters, and if you have I would like to know because that would discredit them.
Aug 13 2009 3:01AM
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Ben.
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the swastikas, comments like i mentioned earlier from certain radio hosts. i suppose i should rephrase my point slightly. the protesters themselves arent racist necessarily directly. that is to say, most of them arent out there saying, "i dont want healthcare reform because obama is a n___" to be honest, they dont know why they are out there. they are out there because the talking heads on fox say its bad, and they buy into the bullshit the higher ups spew. i think it is quite obvious how racist the fear mongering folks over there are, or people like gingrich who pull the reverse racism crap on sotamayor.
Aug 13 2009 3:09AM
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Von
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Dude how are the swastikas racist? They are just saying he's a fascist, that has nothing to do with race.

I will concede that some of the protesters are out there at the behest of fox news and that many of fox's commentators are closet racists (I wouldn't know for sure though I don't watch fox because of their blind support for the bush regime). But this is somewhere that democrats are gravely mistaken, most of these people genuinely oppose a government insurance plan and socialism. I should know Obama is holding a town hall in my town on Saturday, I have had contact with groups forming to protest and they aren't being paid by insurance companies, they aren't taking orders from the GOP and they're not just opposed to this reform because Glenn Beck said it was bad, many of these people are very smart, they are business owners and community leaders and they are highly educated and they strongly believe that this reform is wrong and it will hurt our country. That is why they are organizing protests on a grass root level.  
Aug 13 2009 3:26AM
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skier_boy26
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Like I said, I agreed with your sentiment. However, most people are being quite civil, save the few. But when you push that hard with aggressive legislation, you will get some backlash, and if that means anger from people, so be it. I find it far from childish for the majority of people. For some of the fringe who are truely asinine, they're certainly childish. But you're being equally dimwitted by labeling the whole opposition on that extreme minority.

 It would be so easy for me to say.... oh with the WTO riots that happened here in Seattle in '99, which comprised of extreme left/anarchists, that all liberals and their agendas are crazy because of those whackjobs. But I, and most, acknowledge that they are fringe, and not a representation of a larger, more civil cause.
 Or when some TV station showed some lady from who the fuck knows where saying "Obama's gonna pay my mortgage:" I could classify all his supporters as dumbasses because that woman believed in something far from reality. But instead, you can just push that aside and understand that she was an idiot. Even if there were hudnreds of clips of the same belief, in the end, you can understand that the majority do not believe that.

Likewise here. Most of the extreme mob-like action is from extreme fringe groups, like the cunts under the leadership of Larouche (and that was a TINY showing in NH). Otherwise, the main true asshats are few and far between, and most aren't even as bad as you, or matthews (to name a recent jackass) would make them out to be. when you actually consider the massive amounts of people trying to voice out to their political representatives, it is, as I said, an EXTREME minority.


And once again, it isn't just conservatives who are opposed to this legislation. Hell, I'm just a moderate (only voted for 1 republican, and 5 democrats in '08) and I find this whole thing annoying, tiresome, and a gross overstep by the government.
Aug 13 2009 3:26AM
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Von
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Yeah I'm not a conservative either I'm a liberal libertarian/borderline anarchist I hate most of the republican party.
Aug 13 2009 3:30AM
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Von
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I just did your homework for you
Though that first letter looks like it is either a false flag from a liberal or from some off the wall skinhead  kook, the second letter seemed like it was real and that was racist. Fuck I hate it when I'm opposed to the same things racists are, but regardless these are just a few letters that one congressmen has received hardly evidence that any majority of these anti Obamacare protesters are racists.

Just from my personal stand point, I seriously care less about race, it offends me when people even bring it up. Any sort of race discussion makes me mad because it just shouldn't be a distinction.  And I am probably more opposed to any form of government control in any sector of health care (medicare/aid included) than any of these protesters.
Aug 13 2009 3:51AM
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aurora.
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ignoring all the other ignorant statements in your posts....i'll give it to you that they strongly believe healthcare reform will hurt our country, and it astounds me that they are able to believe that so blindly, completely ignoring any facts, and abandoning all logic.

As healthcare is now, it is so inefficient, wastes so much money, and often times hurts people rather than helping them. Healthcare reform will not kill grandmother, it will not destroy our country, it will not make us socialist. It will COST LESS than our current system and will actually take a smaller slice from everyones paycheck. It will help more people than our current system.

This "I got what i need, so fuck you because you don't" mentality is sickening to me as is defending "MY AMERICA" which never even existed beyond a 50s tv show.

Read what the actual changes are for yourself and stop repeating all the bullshit that talk radio and fox news wants you to. Be an informed and autonomous person that can think for yourself.
Aug 13 2009 4:08AM
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Von
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speaking of reading, you should read what I've written in this thread. I never ever watch fox news ever, I  hate it as much as MSNBC. I also don't listen to talk radio, I actually never listen to the radio.

You realize that there are many many smart successful people (Including people on NS) who believe that these reforms are bad, they are not ignoring facts they have studied the facts and came to the conclusion that it is bad, it isn't illogical to oppose this you are just inflaming the debate to say that it is. My America doesn't have anything to do with the 50's or T.V. it has to do with every individuals rights and the protection of said rights.

I have read the actual changes and I am opposed to many of them if not all of them.

Here is a good rational article written by someone who not only read but "combed through two of the reform bills being looked at by congress.

http://finance.yahoo.com/insurance/article/107408/5-freedoms-you-would-lose-in-health-care-reform.html?mod=insurance-health

I would encourage you all to read it.




Aug 13 2009 4:36AM
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aurora.
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Im glad to hear that you don't listen to fox news and I apologize you for labeling you as such a person before reading your other posts. I am also glad to hear that you've actually read the legislation. I have read some parts of it, but obviously not all of it because I have better things to do than read 1018 pages of legal jargon. After reading the parts that are important to me, I am still completely in favor of health care reform, even if it means losing some of my "freedoms". (Read your link, I interpreted things differently than as stated in some of his points, specifically involving whether or not you can keep your existing plan)

The system as it is now is not working. We have the poorest quality health care of any developed country. To me this is not acceptable. Health Insurance companies have lost sight of their main purpose: to help people pay for necessary treatments in a resonable way. They deny people with pre-existing conditions and deny people by saying they don't cover their specific illness. Often times, the people who need the most help, aren't getting any medical treatment whatsoever because they are unable to pay.

I don't think that this specific bill has all the answers, but I beleive it is a step in the right direction.

Again, I apologize for labeling you as a fox news lemming. And even though we disagree, it makes me happy that we can debate in a civil and informed manner.


Aug 13 2009 6:44AM
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Tasche
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This thread started sucking as soon as some one posted fox news.
Aug 13 2009 11:44AM
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Ben.
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which is half the problem. everyone is scared to talk about it, and gets offended when it does get discussed. im not saying all the protesters are neo nazi racist psychos, but i really do think that a good percentage of this has racial ties. not so much the healthcare specifically, but the general reaction of these screaming mobs.
Aug 13 2009 1:53PM
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Von
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Thank you man, that was probably one of the most civil responses that I have ever had on here, it's very appreciated.

But why do you think this is a step in the right direction? A lot of the reforms that could happen will certainly raise the cost of insurance and hurt many people. Lets take community rating, it will most certainly raise the cost of insurance for young people like you and I who already make less money than older people and also have a lot less in savings. Also there are provisions that will make having insurance mandatory for all Americans under penalty of law. Then there is the fact that the bill will require any insurance that is available to have a standard benefits package which includes eronious things that many people most likely don't need insurance for, like acupuncture, massage therapy, and even hair replacement.  When you couple community rating with the mandate that everyone will have to have some form of health insurance and the fact that we won't necessarily be able to choose what the health insurance that we will be required to have covers you get a situation where many young people (you and I included) will be forced to buy plans that are much more expensive than they need to be and cover things that we will never need them to cover.

That is just one of the reasons that I strongly oppose the reforms that are in front of congress and that Obama has endoresed, they will hurt me and you personally and take away our freedoms.

Ben Franklin once said
"When you give up your freedoms in exchange for security, you get neither" (something close to that)
In this case it's not security from other people that we are exchanging our freedoms for but some sort of security of health, well in my opinion we will get niether.

With all that said, I do support reform, but the reforms that will work are to provide more market incetives for health care, not less.
Aug 13 2009 2:51PM
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Von
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Just because you "really do think that a good percentage of this has racial ties" doesn't make it so. Really back that up with evidence, hell I have even provided more evidence for your argument than you have.

I'm not afraid to talk about it, it just doesn't make sense why any one would care about the skin color of anyone one else for any reason, it boogles my mind that people do because it is borderline retarded to do so. This goes for all people as well, look at the racist comment NYT columnist Paul Krugman made in a recent article.

“…the peddlers of anti-progressive lies are managing to convince a certain kind of American — white, socially conservative, etc. [emphasis mine] — that the hate-mongers are people like them; and, even more important, that progressives are Those People, people not like them…Obama’s skin color makes this easy…”

I have met and talked to many black people who oppose these reforms and oppose Obama, and single out the white race like that is terribly racist. Hell KRS-1 hates Obama he is one of the main people in the Obama deception and so does Dead Prez, I saw them play in denver during the DNC last year and they had nothing but bad things to say about him.
Aug 13 2009 2:56PM
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jsaya_SagStraps
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And conservatives are all sister-fuckers and blowup abortion clinics.

C'mon, don't make blind general assumptions like this, its just stupid.
Aug 13 2009 3:04PM
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Von
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I wasn't making assumptions. I have seen a lot of graffiti in my life and a lot of it has had to do with "FUCK BUSH" or "BUSH IS HITLER" things like that, and graffiti is a blatant disrespect for private property. I'm not saying it's terrible, it's just true. You never see shit spray painted places like "FUCK ABORTION" or "FREE TRADE" it's just a fact I'm not generalizing.

And I hated bush, and was involved in protests against him that did turn somewhat violent so I know this stuff from first hand experience.
Aug 13 2009 3:11PM
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jsaya_SagStraps
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Wait, "This is because liberals don't respect property rights" isn't a generalization?

And no, you're right there's no "fuck abortion" grafitti, but you do see abortion doctors get killed.

 "Liberal grafitti" (as you call it) > Conservative killing (And btw, I'm talking about the individuals invovled, not generalizing).

People protest on both sides. Don't make it a partisan issue.
Aug 13 2009 3:18PM
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Von
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You are right in that respect.

Good call, I wasn't thinking about the murder and bombings of abortion doctors, this shows a clear disrespect for their rights.

Thanks

(no sarcasm)
Aug 13 2009 3:27PM
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Tasche
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There is anti Obama shit all over the place.
Aug 13 2009 3:37PM
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Missmastakillah.
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hah
Aug 13 2009 3:43PM
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Delphi
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im shocked at the amount of people who actually agree with me for once! shift is coming.
Aug 13 2009 7:03PM
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