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How do i make a jump in backcountry

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punkynuts
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I don't get how to make a big backcountry kicker when the snow doesn't pack. Can someone tell me? Thanks

Jul 29 2009 9:39PM
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will-g
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first of all there is no good bacckcountry in illinois so i really have no idea

secondly this should probably go in ski gabber. o

and while your at it read this
https://www.newschoolers.com/web/forums/readthread/thread_id/457485/

no hate just offering my thoughts
Jul 29 2009 10:19PM
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Malcolm
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this should be in ski gabber. ive never built a legit backcountry booter but in movies you see that they use big ice chunks
Jul 29 2009 10:20PM
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Holte
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Dry snow is great for landings but terrible for jump building. Sometimes you can dig deeper to a snow layer that is hard enough for you to dig out blocks to build with. I've also used salt a few times with varying degrees of success depending on the temperature/wind. Sometimes you just have to pile up a huge pile of snow and try to compact it enough to keep its shape. And building a frame out of your skis always helps.
Jul 30 2009 3:08AM
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panojibber
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Just flatten the snow off the top of a cliff and if you have the dry fluffy stuff to land in you're set.

This is an alternative because it seems you have a problem with getting snow that will pack, so this seems like a logical step.
Jul 30 2009 1:41PM
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Bo_bot9
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well it really depends on snow quality and the style of jump your making. I would start with making as large of a pile of snow as you deam necessary then shape it. its not really rocket science. make the lip as poppy as you want and have fun!
Jul 30 2009 1:56PM
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snowbird4life
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dude, thats not even answering the kids question at alllllllllll.

dig deeper in the snowpack. there is your answer my friend. if the entire snowpack is blower than you must be in some backcountry on pluto or some shit.

Jul 30 2009 2:10PM
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lukasdudd
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1. Get a shovel and start shoveling snow
2. Shovel more snow
3. Compact the snow my stomping it down with your skis(do this ever so often)
4. Shovel more snow
5. Shape it so that the take off is nice and smooth

Hope that helps
Jul 30 2009 2:18PM
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DR.SHRED
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try a little water and salt it workes for me
Jul 30 2009 2:21PM
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PAuL_Hellar
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very good point snow and shovels would help alot along with a smooth take off
Jul 30 2009 2:24PM
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liberty_snow
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thats what i was going to say....
Jul 30 2009 2:29PM
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snowbird4life
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i just went to give you karma but it was already at 10/10 lolz....

but seriously. if you're wanderding around in the bc be very aware of what is above you, even if you feel you are in a "safe zone" you never know. and hes right about rollovers, they are usually the most prone to slide so choose carefully.

Jul 30 2009 2:33PM
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joly.sp
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I build them with a few friends that snowboard because the boards can be used well to hold in the sides but yea you can build a jump in any knid of snow. the deeper the digging the easier the packing. My friends built a decent sized stepdown kicker with only their boards but get some shovels
Jul 30 2009 10:52PM
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KapitolPhoto
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Don't bother, ski patrol will blow it up.
Jul 30 2009 10:55PM
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Shlogan
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to build i would recommend you and a freind each hold one side of a ski and drag it along the snow, catching the top just wide enough for the run in. once youve dug the run out, pack it with salt. thats all i got.
Jul 30 2009 11:03PM
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DR.SHRED
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that helped me im going try that. it makes so much sense +k
Jul 30 2009 11:39PM
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*stew
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^
Jul 31 2009 12:48AM
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R.Fahey
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Use blocks.  Get down way beneath the recent snow and into some crusty layers where you can cut good blocks.  make a perimeter of where you want the jump, and stack them nicely.  then keep just getting blocks to fill it in, then stomp that bitch out.

Jul 31 2009 12:52AM
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ashamedkrew
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this is a good thread i've never heard this asked before. i've wondered about this too cuz i have a great gap to build one on but its here in wisconsin so the snow will like definitely be sketchy..
Jul 31 2009 1:03AM
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TheBeardedOne
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you need to carry in a big ramp, then put snow over it duh. that's how all the proooos do it.
Jul 31 2009 2:51AM
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Shabangarang
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make sure u have a fast enough in run first i built a descent size jump before an i didnt have enough speed it was a waste of time!!!!!!
Jul 31 2009 8:26AM
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Ryan*
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or drop it by helicopter
Jul 31 2009 10:59AM
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Shlogan
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glad to here that helped. obviously its better with wider skis that are also stiff, so a ski like the chopstick would be ideal is any of your freinds use a ski like that.
Jul 31 2009 11:23AM
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Pow.yuHdig*
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ya stacking blocks is key all the sick bc booers ive been involved with we did the cube method
Jul 31 2009 11:35AM
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Mr.Huck
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Belly Laugh!^

"1. Get a shovel and start shoveling snow
2. Shovel more snow
3. Compact the snow my stomping it down with your skis(do this ever so often)
4. Shovel more snow
5. Shape it so that the take off is nice and smooth

Hope that helps"

^ What he said, but I boot stomp.  Also take a spray bottle with salt water.  Make sure the top of your lip is thick.  There's plenty of snow in the back country so use it.  Nothing worse than having the lip of your jump fracture off, especially if you are doing any kind of flip.  You will end up inverted with no rotation.  9 out of 10 doctors don't recommend that. 
Jul 31 2009 11:57AM
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quixotic
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This is all you need to know. Snow blocks are by far the fastest, easiest, and most sturdy.
Jul 31 2009 12:34PM
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Eric_D
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dig real deep to the chunks/bricks. build that shit up like legos. if you have lots of water to spare use a little of that. if the snows super dry then itll be super cold. water we'll help a bit. if your building a bigger jump. focus on the building aspect that whole day. build it make it perfect then session the next day.
Jul 31 2009 6:42PM
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Twig
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This is a complete bitch to do when the snow is pow everywhere. Basically, you need to find some already compacted snow to make this work. Dig down a few feet to find already compressed layers.
Basically here are some hints.
1) Dig to find compacted snow
2) Dig out a shitload of blocks of this and pretend you are 5 again, and you are playing lego. Stack the blocks to form the jump. Compacting every now and then, using the shovel.
3) Use your skis as a frame for the jump!
4) Repeat this until you have a jump the size you want. Make sure it is really a solid jump before shaping. It is unbelievably annoying to shape the jump and have it give way.
5) It needs to be longer than you think, otherwise you're gonna end up with a whippy and steep nightmare of a jump.
6) Spray water over the jump and let it freeze to help solidify the top layer.
6) It can be easier to build the jump BEFORE the pow falls. I did that this season. Snow was shitty so I went and built a sick jump. Then when it snowed, I just had to scrape the foot or two of pow off it and voila.
7) Watch any of Hunting Yeti/En Route if this makes no sense. You can see what they do.
8) It really helps if you can build on top of a rock/windlip or something else that is already there. Saves a fuckload of digging.
I dunno, i'm out for now. Hope this helps in some way.
Jul 31 2009 7:00PM
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N.L.
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start small, and find whats called a natural mineshaft. this is ahill that leads to a flat that leads to another hill. a down flat down hill is often found on a golf course or old ski hill for those of us in the northeast. if your lucky enough to have real backcountry access, becareful.

you need to build an inrun. i usually will hike up and down the inrun hill sideways, it packs out a pretty wide inrun. now that youve got some speed, position a jump in the flats at a distance that you will have to clear to hit your downhill landing. send some hucks into the fresh, and have fun. everytime it snows build the jump up again, eventually you'll have a booter that you can showup, pack down and stomp that guinea pig cork 7 like a pro.

Jul 31 2009 7:07PM
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DR.SHRED
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no but i have a los of friends who snowboard
Jul 31 2009 7:15PM
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SirFryanator
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seriously guys, it's happened to us. I'm not even kidding. some ski patrollers at our mountain are straight douchebags
Jul 31 2009 8:09PM
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EastCoast315
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If you have to piss, it helps to pack fluff down
Jul 31 2009 8:31PM
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Holte
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How I wish that was true. Most patrollers assume that if you're in the backcountry you understand the risks and are free to build whatever you want. But Matt's not kidding, some are douchebags who have gone ridiculously out of their way to destroy jumps in the BC.
Jul 31 2009 8:42PM
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Mr.Huck
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Yeah pee on your booter!  Also helps with flat light.
Jul 31 2009 8:55PM
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skithe49th
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i remember there being a really good thread on this a while ago lemme see if i can find it
Aug 1 2009 12:00AM
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punkynuts
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thanks. Now i've got a couple options to try and i'll see what works out
Sep 2 2009 1:24AM
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hue.
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what happends if you build a jump inbounds, not like a huge one, but does ski patrol care?
Sep 2 2009 1:43AM
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no_steeze
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it would be really fun to blow up a booter though

does sound strange, from my experience patrol only goes near the boundaries to put ropes across them, not to break kids' bc booters
Sep 2 2009 1:49AM
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SirFryanator
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Well you obviously haven't been to Crystal Mountain, WA.
Sep 2 2009 10:39AM
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b-kul
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yeah, little h2o and salt and just alot of labor.
Sep 2 2009 1:48PM
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ScuffDUFF
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damnnn^^^^
Sep 20 2009 3:34PM
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Mr.Huck
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It would be pretty funny to hear the translation.  It would probably something like the volcano training instructions from South Park.  I was going to post that but I couldn't find it.
Sep 20 2009 3:36PM
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Billiards.
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TO everyone that said just start shoveling snow into a pile until the jump forms. You are stupid in almost every case.
Sep 20 2009 5:55PM
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