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Lil_Flip
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i have adobe premiere elements and every time i go to finish the movie to post on the web it always winds up looking like this-

camera crane test 1 from 303 media on Vimeo.

does anyone know how i can make the picture qaulity better. if so could you help me by giving me a step by step. thank you.
Jul 20 2009 10:35AM
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kzrstf
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your crane isn't steady enough, try adding more counterweight
Jul 20 2009 12:46PM
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KellyK
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check what you're exporting as. 
Jul 20 2009 3:02PM
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spliff.Life
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^yes
play with the exporting options
Jul 20 2009 3:03PM
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ryanschindler
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1. take off the fisheye or whatever is causing that unwanted vignette
2. color correct your footage post production
3. white balance your camera if it has that option
4. get a heavier counter weight
5. export correctly
Jul 20 2009 7:20PM
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miroz
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Unfortunately, all the above posts have failed to recognize a KEY reason why it looks like this.  You need to deinterlace your footage.

Your camera shoots in 60i, right?  Yes, it does.  This means it shoots 60 fields per second, or 60 half frames.  60 divided by 2 = 30, the standard 30 fps.  However, if you don't deinterlace your footage in post, you can see the differences in the field lines, creating that wavy look you see in your footage when you pan horizontally (see the shot at around 50 seconds).

If Premiere elements is anything like Premiere Pro, you should be able to deinterlace by changing your export settings.  When you go to export, you should be able to find a check box that gives you the option to deinterlace video.  Check that box.

The reason it doesn't play like that in Premiere is because the program does it for you.  If you open your file on Media Player/Quicktime or whatever as a raw file, you'll see the lines, because that program can't do it for you.

But besides that, I'm not sure what the deal is with your fisheye.  Work on getting smoother pans with your crane.

Jul 20 2009 10:50PM
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DrZoidberg
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^ That's exactly what i was thinking, deinterlace. It makes everything look all line-y
Jul 20 2009 10:53PM
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Static
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lol, what crappy advice
Jul 21 2009 8:45AM
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ryanschindler
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actually 60i means it shoots 60 fps with 120 fields per second. the i refers to the interlacing method to capture the light. progressive shoots from top to bottom and interlacing shots every other one then goes back and fills in the others, which is why it gets distorted because every other line of light is from a second later. you probly knew that but i'm just sayin that 60i is indeed 60fps
Jul 22 2009 11:26AM
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ryanschindler
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actually not really at all. and just because your not good enough at editing/film making to make your own critique and find the problems dosn't mean you have to put down other people to try to bring up your e-dick. that was actually good advice bud, not sure if you were trying to fit in with the other kids on this forum or your just simply terrible at movie making
Jul 22 2009 11:27AM
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.jr
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LOL
Jul 22 2009 12:29PM
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eheath
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Why do you kids post shit when you have no idea what you're talking about?

FYI for you kid, 60i = 60 half frames per second that are converted into 30 full frames per second, and it looks shitty when you don't de-interlace because of that, like the thread creator did.


Like people have said:
1. de-interlace
2. no 20 dollar fish eye
3. more counter weight aka learn how to use your crane first
4. don't use shitty songs (not sure if you cared for your test edit but serious, come one)
Jul 22 2009 3:50PM
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eheath
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And you need to not talk about good enough at editing/filming since you thought 60i was 60fps.


Oh and i also forgot to add to the thread creator, make sure your export settings are correct, make sure you're not exporting a smaller frame and having the program keeping the old size, making the video smaller so its a video box inside a black box.
Jul 22 2009 3:53PM
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ryanschindler
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your right. i just looked it up.

i got confused cuz obviously 24p is 24 fps with a field rate of 59.24.

thats shitty, i just shot a edit in 60i thinking it was 60fps. looks alot smoother cuz of the fields but i wasn't aware it was still 30 fps
Jul 22 2009 4:59PM
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AdrenalineGarage
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Another observation. I'm guessing you're steadyshot is on. I can tell because makes your vignetting from your wide angle look like it is moving all around. It may be helping or it may be hurting you. I've noticed that when I have mine on and I'm doing a pan or crane, the steady shot will try to get rid of the motion at first and then jump to catch up. The result is a shaky shot made out of smooth camera move. On the other hand, your crane might be so shaky that steady shot is improving the shot. Give it a shot and see what happens.
Jul 22 2009 7:28PM
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holyDINOSAURS
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uh wrong again.

the whole point of progressive scan is that there are no fields. 24p is 24 full frames a second. sorry champ.

24p = 24 pictures a second
30p = 30 pictures a second
60i = 60 even and odd half frames a second combined to make 30 full frames.

if you want slow motion out of 60i take it into after effects and interpolate to 24p then stretch it out to 200%. it artificially creates 60p. however it decreases your resolution.


also to the OP:
1) turn steadycam off when shooting fisheye
2) dont shoot that fisheye
3) colour correct
4) secure your camera and conterweight your boom
5) as said before, deinterlace.
Jul 23 2009 12:49PM
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