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DENALI44
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anyone else feel that religion is just all made up hogwash and that people just go to church to be brainwashed


Believing in jesus is like believing in santa claus, once you reach a certain age you realize that it's all made up
Feb 11 2004 5:36PM
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bigJ
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I think you are gay



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Feb 11 2004 5:38PM
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ScratchCobra66
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ehh, i go just incase man, but sometimes it just all seems reallly bogus

m1garand deserves to die...Eric Pollard is god...

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Feb 11 2004 5:39PM
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4skizzle
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I don't think it's all made up or hogwash. I personally don't go (sunday is a ski day) but it's traditions that have been going on for thousands of years. It's not something some guy was sitting arround in his underware drinking a beer decided to invent last week.

Some of these new cults and new branch religions seem kinda scheptical because they focus on selling stuff and making money. They seem more like a business. But religion is what you make of it. Either you go just to go or you believe and you go because it makes you feel right.












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Feb 11 2004 5:48PM
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ATLANTASKI
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yea dude youre a fuckin fag man..... believe what you want, but ill choose to still go to church. i mean what do you have to lose first off, and 2nd yea some parts of religion are bad, but what about the good stuff it teaches you like how to embrace your enemies and how to find peace with yourself. some parts of religion may be total bs, but who cares I have an awesome life because of me being raised catholic, so i think religion is a good thing


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Feb 11 2004 5:48PM
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4skizzle
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^^ god would be mad if he knew you just wrote 'fag'










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Feb 11 2004 5:51PM
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icecreamsandwich
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theres been too many threads on this already.

...Now I just can't shut you up, shut you up
So now I have to chop you up, chop you up
And I'll just wait till I get caught...

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Feb 11 2004 5:52PM
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DENALI44
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the mormon religion was made up by joseph smith who was a well known con-artist, besides science has proved religion wrong.



Believing in jesus is like believing in santa claus, once you reach a certain age you realize that it's all made up
Feb 11 2004 5:56PM
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4skizzle
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Science can't prove religion wrong. It's a set of beliefs. Your beliefs can't be proven wrong. Some historical facts pertaning to religion can be proven wrong. Someones faith and what they practice or follow isn't up for interpratatin by a bunch of scientists.










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Feb 11 2004 6:01PM
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ATLANTASKI
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dude why are you so anti religion anyways, just because some of us here choose to be religious it dont mean you can belittle or beliefs...... ill pray for you man..... and i have to admit mormonism sounds like a crock of shit.. but who am i to say if its right or wrong...and if it teaches people to get along and respect each other whats so bad about it?


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Feb 11 2004 6:08PM
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gambino500014
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religion is all made up, the only reason half the people beleive in god or jesus or moses and all those religious people is becase there parents forced religion on them and they think its the right thing to do. you can think or beleive whatever you want, im jsut telling you that its not true, its like beleiveing that if you put a sock on a peice of toast it will walk, you can beleive that i dont care, its just not true and i can prove it, same with all that religious shit, its just not true and its been proven.......
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Feb 11 2004 6:10PM
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4skizzle
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So how can you prove that it isn't true? I'm not religous by any means but What pisses me off are suckers like yourself who speak our against religion like you know what you're talking about. You annoy me just about as much as those religous freaks who stand on a corner preaching to the world that god is mad and he's goign to smite all of us.

So go ahead and try to prove or dis prove things that happend thousands of years ago but you'll proabaly never convince me either way.










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Feb 11 2004 6:13PM
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ATLANTASKI
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actually steven hawkins(the smartest man on the planet) has said that it is almost impossible for the universe to be created without divine intervention of some kind of form...... also the odds for a planet like ours with having all the things needed to sustain humans is like 90000000 to one or something, according to some scientists........so actually science seems to support the theory of having some kind of divine thing create our planet.... anyways science is agnostic so it hasnt denied or supported intelligent design


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Feb 11 2004 6:15PM
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ScratchCobra66
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so since your dad owns everything, what does he have to say about this, did he create the earth?

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Feb 11 2004 6:17PM
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4skizzle
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^^ hahahahaha










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Feb 11 2004 6:20PM
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ATLANTASKI
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no hes like baptist, my mom is catholic......


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Feb 11 2004 6:21PM
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J.D.
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Ok, people, please make sure you understand, there's a distinction between creationism and intelligent design. The first can't be disproved, the second one is so flawed that noone who has half a clue believes it's a good argument. There's an entire three page thread on intelligent design, so don't post about it here.

Secondly, I'm just trollling this place now, WAITING for idiotic posts... I know there's gonna be one soon. You vehement religious and anti-religious types get so mad that you're bound to say something dumb.



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Feb 11 2004 6:33PM
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always_ski
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Church is a waste of time...I don't need to be told how to live my life or what is right and wrong.

But if GET SOMETHING OUT OF IT it doesn't matter to me if you go to church
Feb 11 2004 6:34PM
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strode
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''90000000 to one or something''

there are way, way, WAY more planets in the universe than 90000000, so why are those odds so hard to conceive?



-Strode



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Feb 11 2004 6:35PM
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ATLANTASKI
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its some large number... i prob screwed it up... i dont take the bible literally i just use it as a guide to live my life and i couldnt give a shit if moses parted the ocean or not.. i just think what do you have to lose by going to church for 45 mins a week and incase there is a God , being granted eternal life(hopefully there will be a perfect terrain park and uncrowded big mtn lines).... what can be better than that


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Feb 11 2004 6:44PM
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4skizzle
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^^ it wasn't the ocean it was the red sea dude.










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Feb 11 2004 6:50PM
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gambino500014
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whatever 4skizzle. On both sides the topic of religion is really irreconcilable. When people practice a religion they arent being true to the overall outlook that there religion wants them too. Not many people practice true religion, whats the point of jsut half beleiveing, or doing what other people want, thats going against most religions and not being true to themselves. Overall religion is concerned with peoples attitude toward nature at large, with the establishing of ideals for the individual and communal life, and with mutual human relationship. For most people when you bring up the subject of religion they think 'sunday' or some meaningless subject that has nothing to do with true religion. Religion is jsut taught with the use of certain easily accessible thoughts and narratives, storys and myths which are apt to influence evaluation and action along the lines of the accepted ideals. Its easily set up for people to be brought in but it doesnt define itself. I dont care if you beleive what i beleive, i just think its more logical, most people think its more logical such as albert einstein.....
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Feb 11 2004 6:51PM
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always_ski
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If there is a god do you think he gives a fuck if go to church, I'm pretty sure that if there were a god he wouldn't be that egotistical.
Feb 11 2004 6:53PM
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ScratchCobra66
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'ohh im so religious' then you say that moses parted the ocean..lol

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Feb 11 2004 6:58PM
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tinkerbell
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church is a place for fellow believers to go and be with people that have common interests. I don't think God has made it an ultimatum, if you believe in God then you know what His guidlines are. Church is simply a place of fellowship, and while some prefer to go, I don't realy think God frowns upon those who don't, and merely going doesn't give you brownie points with Him. There are plenty of Easter-reindeer out there, who go when they think its important and 'just in case' and then act the opposite all the other days. So I don't think going or not going to church is the answer.


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Feb 11 2004 7:04PM
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ATLANTASKI
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sorry i didnt want to sound like a super religious god squad person...... so sorry if i offended moses by referring to the red sea as an ocean... i would think most people on here wouldnt know that since they dont seem that religious



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Feb 11 2004 7:06PM
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4skizzle
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it sounded like you didn't know what you were talking about either.










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Feb 11 2004 7:08PM
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PhattTim
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It's interesting that all the people who slam religion really have zero understanding about it. How can 'science' prove religion wrong? What a joke, science isn't constant, it's everchanging, science doesn't mean shit, and I'll say it again, church and christianity are very very different things. I'm a christian for sure and I think church sucks, I don't go and I haven't been for years.

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Feb 11 2004 7:10PM
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always_ski
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tinkerbell just said the most intelligent thing I've ever heard a religious person say about church
Feb 11 2004 7:12PM
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gambino500014
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yea most people just go to church and thats it, think there doing something good for themselves.....
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Feb 11 2004 7:14PM
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Ski-hobo
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how does science change?
Feb 11 2004 7:17PM
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SaraJ
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being religious, I go to church. Not because I feel like I have to, but because it helps me to become a stronger christian. Its a place I can join with other christians and worship. I go because I want to, not because I have to. You don't go to hell for not going to church, but it does help to learn more about God and to find somebody to hold you accountable for things or standards you set in life. Think what you want. I argue with some church's perspectives on religions and reliogious people, but if you find a good church, then it's good. Just my opinion though.

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Feb 11 2004 7:26PM
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1080enemy
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for starters, going to church doesn't make you a christian anymore than being in a garage makes you a car. being cristian is a lifestyle, a beleif system. most christians do not live a christian life. they go to church sundays, and live as any other person does the rest of the week. and science can only prove so much. nothing is certain in life.
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Feb 11 2004 8:03PM
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SHARPIE69
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I agree with RS4life..... iwanyshyn i beleive?
some dude up top said....'how can you prove something wrong that happened 2000 years ago?' the bible was written 1000 years post AD. i mean, you think maybe they could have gotten something wrong? like, how can the bible have gotten everything right?

IN MY OPINION christianity is a cult and church is a bigger corporation nike. Christianity has good morals.... but every christian i have ever met takes it to far.... religon is a crutch for those who can't handle the thought of birth-life-death

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Feb 11 2004 8:27PM
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J.D.
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^That post makes me wonder how many people in here know what AD stands for...


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Feb 11 2004 8:57PM
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samck89
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ye i was thinkin that same thing

'hey can i have a butload of cash?... NO'
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Feb 11 2004 9:10PM
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samck89
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wait what is it, i no its something like amini dominius or something, and it means in the year of our lord, but is that right, amini dominius?

'hey can i have a butload of cash?... NO'
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Feb 11 2004 9:11PM
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Dr.Dealgood
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Closer to god... now I'm going to play devil's advocate here Sarah...

Who is God? Is he a character we can define and understand? You say we can read the testaments or the Bible, but really those are just accounts of God, how can we truly justify his existence? Sure miraculous things happen, but how can you attribute to that to God.

My point is - the belief of God is somewhat arbitray. Could it be that the fact that worship gives you comfort and togetherness so you thereby believe in God because of what he seemingly provides you with?

NOT my opinion, devils advocate here...
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Feb 11 2004 9:12PM
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samck89
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ok with all these miracles, ive seen david copperfield perform some 'miracles' does that mean hes the messiah, and with god, where did he come from, if he has to exist because everything here is so complex, doesnt he have to have a creator?

'hey can i have a butload of cash?... NO'
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Feb 11 2004 9:19PM
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PhattTim
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David Copperfield performs 'tricks' and 'illusions'. And not only the messiah performed miracles anyway, so did Moses, Abraham and many others. And actually, the bible wasn't written 1000AD, some of you guys are either fucking stupid or just don't do any research before you say something.

Okay, seperation here, God, and Church. Two VERY different things. Another seperation, God, church and christianity, simple terms for the retards in here, THREE different things. God is God, an all powerful being that you cannot define or prove at all in any way shape or form. Right, done. You either believe in his existance or you chose not to, simple, end of story. What someone believes or thinks has butt-fuck all to do with you, leave them alone. Second, church is a place of fellowship and worship. It has become rather trivialised and bollocksy (in my opinion) over the last few years and the focus has shifted, I personally hate church and yet I have a very strong faith and relationship with God.

And of course you could right off any of those 'miracles' as 'chance'. If you couldn't then you would all have to believe in God and then you wouldn't have the freedom to choose and you'd all bitch and moan about that too wouldn't you. Everyone doubts God in some form or another, Moses doubted, David denied Christ a number of times, Judas deceived him, there, it's a faith, but it's not a blind faith, it's guided and lead and if you want direction it's there.

And yeah, a lot of christians piss the hell out of me as well, which is why my faith in God is a very personal relationship that I don't care too much to share with anyone, at the end of the day it comes down to you and God and that's that. End of story.

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Feb 11 2004 11:53PM
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Crystal-needs-a-park
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meh, christians are just little bastards, the romans hated them too. so uh yeha.. love and flowers and tollerance and so on.
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Feb 12 2004 12:04AM
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jarossamdb7
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considering the bible has been re-translated a few times, I think it is full of shit! you can bend anything it says to say anything you want!!!


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Feb 12 2004 12:08AM
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SUpilot
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i hear ya tim. i consider myself to be a solid christian, but i havent been to church in ages. back when i lived with my parents my mom would always bug me about going to church. to me church is a poor attempt at showing others what your deal is. i dont need church to have total faith as a christian.
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Feb 12 2004 12:12AM
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Papa
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people just use other people religion as an exscuse to make fun of or be prejudice against, hitler did it, lots of people do but what did those people achieve? nothing really in the end, they just did it to secure there own beliefs or lack there of........ who cares what or who someone worships or believes in, that's there choice and what other people do doesn't effect any of you who think otherwise




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Feb 12 2004 12:27AM
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DENALI44
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although hitler was probably the greatest leader this world has had so far, just didnt use his radical leadership for the right purposes


Believing in jesus is like believing in santa claus, once you reach a certain age you realize that it's all made up
Feb 12 2004 12:39AM
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PhattTim
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no he didn't, Hitler never made a knock at any religion, he targeted Jews

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Feb 12 2004 12:39AM
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Jazz_Skellington
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america kicks ass
Feb 12 2004 12:42AM
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SUpilot
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ha
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Feb 12 2004 12:44AM
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powder99
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its fucking bullshit, just look how many wars were caused by religion, i used to have faith untill i started growing up, now i see the world and what is going on and i can't believe that if there is a god why can't he put a stop to the pain and hunger going around the world? why must some people suffer and others not? isn't something like half the worlds pop in poverty? which religion is the right one? and what makes it the right one? there are so many beliefs, religion was created to give people a reason to live way back in time whenever the bullshit started, if something bad happened you could always look to god to help you feel better, now we have no excuses we as humans have fucked each other up, we are to blam for everything that is wrong with this world and no god is going to fix the problem. everytime i ask a religous friend of mine how they can believe there is a superpower they only response i canm get is that you have to have FAITH, faith in what? something that has never done anything to better anything? if believing that there is something out there and that helps give you a reason to live then so be it have fun with that, im in control of my life if i pray for something its not going to happen, if i want something im going to have to work for it, im living life how i want to live it not by some book telling me what to do.
that all probably didn't make much sence but i just had to let a bit off my chest, im sick and tired of seeing pain and hunger in this world and i think most people espically us North Americans need to open our eyes and see the fucked up shit that is going on around us, why hasent god stepped in and fixed this shit, we can't pray to god to help our troubles we got to step in and do it yourself
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Feb 12 2004 12:51AM
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Ice-Is-Scary
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I think it was ATLANTASKI who made my day by saying 'its only 45 minutes a week and your granted eternal life what do you have to lose?' Sorry buddy but if there is a god he is not going to grant you eternal life for going to chruch once a week for less than an hour and kill people the rest of the week. Don't be so fucking brainwashed by your preacher telling you that being in church is the onyl thing that will save your soul, consider the source. I do not go to church or practice any formal religion but I am a good person and I dont need to bible to teach me how to be one. I know so many shitty people that are bastards all week and think they are saved because they show up at church for an hour. Get fucking real you are pissing god off just being inside the church good luck in the afterlife if there is one.


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Feb 12 2004 12:54AM
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SaraJ
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^you actually have a point there. I'm not sure where, but in the bible it does say that it makes God mad when people say they are Christian without really having faith or any real connection with Him.

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