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Origins of biblical scripture

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GhostfaceKillah
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I'm not very well educated in traditional western religions (i.e. christianity), but from what I understand, great importance is placed in various divine scriptures which speak the words of God, prophecies of Gods son, etc... (excuse me if my details are inaccurate, that isn't of importance here)

what I was wondering was what are the origins of these divine scriptures exactly? and why are they taken as the word of God rather than the word of a very crafty author?

I don't want to start any debates here... I just want to know why these scriptures are taken as seriously as they are?

(i'm writting an essay, I dont plan on plagerizing anyone, I just want to hear a few ideas as a starting-point for my research)
Jul 15 2009 8:55PM
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joshua
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sorry to break it too u but its most likely fake they make those things out of like a couple bones never a full skeleton and then they just add on what fits in there theory
Jul 15 2009 11:36PM
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Arabian.
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And religion is nothing but mashed woodpulp and ink.
Jul 15 2009 11:38PM
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jerad
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*Sigh*

I'm really done now.

Jul 15 2009 11:38PM
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joshua
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i am 15 and i will admit not a scienctist but there are many people older than me that could argue against all you just said i will try my best. I agree with you that animal's make mutations and make slight changes. That happens lots. When this happens an animal just loses a gene. no new information is gained. but to get from a whale to a human, you need to get the information (im not sure what its really called DNA?) to evolve. you cant just get the information to make that kind of a change out of the blue. So what if hands and flippers are a like. There are many other changes a whale would have to make to get to a human besides flippers to hands and the organ thing.
Jul 15 2009 11:45PM
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joshua
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I agree with you that animals make small mutations. But to do this an animal loses information, it doesnt gain it. Darwin say these small changes and thought "Hey mabeye everything came from this." But to get from a whale to a human the whale needs new information. This information can not just come out of the blue. Same goes for everything. So what if we have a similar organ or flippers are like hands. There are many other parts to us that would have to have changed. When Darwin made up the theory, scientists did not realize how complex everything was. They didnt have the technology to see just how complex something like a cell really is. There are so many changes necisary to get from point a to b that it is just not possible
Jul 15 2009 11:53PM
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Funnel
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God dammit.  I already went over this.  DNA is the blueprint of life.  When a mutation occurs, the DNA coding is changed, you don't get new DNA, the old DNA just has different letters.  You have to understand how DNA works to make an argument so just shut up right now.  You can't tell me I am wrong about evolution if you don't understand how DNA is coded and how mutations change the DNA code.  You're making yourself look like quite the idiot.
Jul 15 2009 11:53PM
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joshua
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whoops repost
Jul 15 2009 11:54PM
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saskskier
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Christianity began after the death and resurrection of Jesus.  The term christian isn't used until the New Testament (Acts 11:26).  Before Jesus, Jews (Israelites) practiced Judaism which pretty much began with the laws given to Moses. 

Now basing one's personal belief in God/Jesus and reasons for becoming a christian around creation/evolution seems to me an absurd thing to do and trying to argue for creation is futile.  I believe in creation and I believe in a God far outside my realm of understanding.  Does my faith hinge on whether or not it happened in a literal six days or over millions of years of evolution?  No, but I believe He had a hand in it.
Jul 15 2009 11:55PM
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joshua
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like i said im not a scientist i dont know how it exactly works but i know how it works. Go talk with a Creationist and then you would have a good debate
Jul 15 2009 11:56PM
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Funnel
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The kid is full of so much shit it is ridiculous.  I'm almost done too.  He doesn't know how DNA works, let alone what it is and is trying to argue evolution. 
Jul 15 2009 11:56PM
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joshua
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whatever man its me against just about everyone else on this site like i said have a chat with an creationist or pastor and then you will have a good debate
Jul 15 2009 11:59PM
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Funnel
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No you have to know how DNA works to know how evolution works.  When letters are changed in the code, it is not lost info or gained info, it is just different info.  Stop being so damn stubborn about this.  Cells are the same structure in all animals, if not extremely similar.  Skin cells in humans are very similar to a tigers.  Quit being a dumbass.  You are arguing evolution when you don't understand how evolution works.  Why do people like you believe evolution is going against God's words?  Answer that question.
Jul 16 2009 12:02AM
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joshua
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Cuz the Bible says the earth was made in six days
Jul 16 2009 12:06AM
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joshua
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http://skepticwiki.org/index.php/Creationist_Arguments some good arguements against evolution read it please this guy knows his stuff better than me
Jul 16 2009 12:07AM
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jerad
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Doesn't make sense by abiding to the laws of science and going against your beliefs?
Jul 16 2009 12:07AM
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Funnel
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Exactly, it's people who don't want to believe god is not real, arguing against evolution, not proving shit.  People are so damn stupid.  Darwin never intended for evolution to go against god.  They are not proving creationism, just denying evolution, so now where did we come from?  No where, no one evolved we just popped up on the Earth one day, god didn't create us because we can't prove that, we're just going against evolution to make god look damn real!  That's all that argument you posted was saying to me.
Jul 16 2009 12:07AM
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joshua
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ignore this post
Jul 16 2009 12:09AM
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Funnel
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Evolution was NEVER intended to go against religion.  Find me one time where Darwin compares evolution to Christianity.  Exactly, that is all you can refer to, the bible, another book written by people, like said by someone else, it is about as good as a story of Harry Potter in a Quiditch Match.
Jul 16 2009 12:11AM
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Inbred_Redneck
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Christianity started with Jesus, not before. Everything before is Judaism. I would know, I'm Catholic. The bible is not one whole book. Its a series of "holy" writings that were written by people that experienced anything to do with Christianity, or the forming of it( so prophets or people hearing God). However, the Church controls what goes into the bible and what is deemed holy. They have refuse to put in writings that contradict each other, such as Judas's Gospel. They also have a ton of writings and shit stored away in a deep underground vault in the Vatican, that not even the pope can get into. So needless to say I do not trust the Church.

However, I do find the apocryphal texts really interesting, as well as the fall of Lucifer and the war in heaven. Biblical texts are really interesting to read.

Sparknotes: Bible is a series of writings whos authors witnessed firsthand miracles, Jesus, or other unearthly things.


Jul 16 2009 12:16AM
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Inbred_Redneck
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Aha, this man hit it right on the head.

And to add to that, Most of the major religions are almost identical with their stories of creation which is also very interestion.
Jul 16 2009 12:21AM
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Funnel
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Problem no. 1  How did god come about?
Jul 16 2009 12:21AM
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joshua
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Okay well God's plan of redemption started way before Jesus. Everyone seems to think it all started with Jesus
Jul 16 2009 12:21AM
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GhostfaceKillah
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stop hijacking my thread you trolls
Jul 16 2009 12:21AM
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joshua
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He always was
Jul 16 2009 12:22AM
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Funnel
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Then maybe I should say the Earth always was.  God was not always here.  There we go, all the matter that created the Earth was always here.
Jul 16 2009 12:25AM
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Funnel
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Sorry, this kid is just so full of shit.  GhostfaceKillah has some awesome songs.
Jul 16 2009 12:26AM
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Inbred_Redneck
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Youre also adding to it. If you dont like it just accept that Christianity (and Judaism) are just mythology. Its no different than Roman, Greek, or Egyptian. Its not all "retarded" or stupid like you said in previous posts. Philosophy stems from religion.
Jul 16 2009 12:32AM
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joshua
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God all ways was. we cannot comprehend it, its just how it is. i know you will just say the same thing about evolution but creation just makes more sense
Jul 16 2009 12:33AM
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Funnel
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I'm pretty sure I never said it was retarded.  Whatever though, you know your shit.
Jul 16 2009 12:36AM
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Funnel
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I'll stop bugging you about god but stop being so fucking ignorant.  You think creation makes more sense, but you don't understand how evolution works, it will obviously make more sense because you don't understand how evolution works. 
Jul 16 2009 12:37AM
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joshua
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To the creator of this thread the Bible was written over a long period of time by people who were either inspired by God to write it, or actually witnessed it. Then the church collected all these accounts and put them all together in the Bible.
Jul 16 2009 12:37AM
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joshua
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i dont care about you guys shit talking me its you guys im worried about
Jul 16 2009 12:39AM
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joshua
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eternity is a long time, where will you guys be spending it?
Jul 16 2009 12:41AM
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Casey
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yes, thank god. Also, populations evolve, not individual organisms
Jul 16 2009 12:41AM
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Funnel
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YOU CANNOT COMPARE CREATIONISM TO EVOLUTION WHEN YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND HOW EVOLUTION WORKS!  /end yelling.
Jul 16 2009 12:43AM
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ashamedkrew
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Joshua speaks the truth ya'll.  Way to go kid i back you 100% all the way especially to go at it like this against the however many 'big bangers' and what not that are gonna post in here and say its all a bunch of BS. I applaud you majorly man keep it up.

Jul 16 2009 12:43AM
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Funnel
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He doesn't understand how evolution works and told me I was false about evolution.  I would consider that to be full of shit.
Jul 16 2009 12:44AM
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joshua
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Well if you guys are dead set on evolution how do you guys think it all started? it had to come from something.
Jul 16 2009 12:44AM
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Funnel
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Finally, someone else who understands how evolution works.
Jul 16 2009 12:45AM
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saskskier
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In my opinion religions (western or otherwise) began as either an experience or an idea(s) someone had or a story (depending on what you believe to be true).  Often these stories are passed down over hundreds or thousands of years.  They become an important part of your culture and your experience as a person (depending on who you are of course).  Historically culture and religion are intertwined and become part of one another so when many people grow up with it, it becomes part of what they see to be true.
Biblical scripture is no different.  I happen to believe it's true.  Others don't.  I have no idea if this helps you or not.  Ha ha.
Jul 16 2009 12:45AM
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joshua
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thank you im guessing your Christian too unless your being sarcastic
Jul 16 2009 12:47AM
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Funnel
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Free roaming objects in space all came together and created the Earth, leaving it molten hot in the middle due to the high pressure and then a prokaryote was formed, began to split and soon evolution kicked in.
Jul 16 2009 12:47AM
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saskskier
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Dude, stop arguing creation/evolution.  If educated, well researched men of science can't all agree on the topic, what makes you think you will convince others on NS one way or another?
Jul 16 2009 12:48AM
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jsaya_SagStraps
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And the bible has never been rewritten, translated, revised, edited, altered, or changed in any way throughout tiime? Well, it's been changed and misinterpreted so many times, for all we know the bible authors could have only meant to say a metaphor to show god has power or whatever with the seven days thing.

Anyway, the point is, if the bible said worms were the form of Jesus, then you'd all worship worms. I think all religions need to look past outdated traditions that may have had relevance at some time, but don't mean anything today (I could list SOOO many examples). Instead, they should focus on the true purpose of themselves (self purpose, care for others, enlightenment, love, etc, etc., not whether scientific evidence contradicts their "holy books". And realistically science will never go against real moral teaching  (unless your against stem cell research or whatever, in which case I have a different debate).


Jul 16 2009 12:48AM
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ashamedkrew
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ya i am for sure dude so is the whole ashamed krew. its just hard to speak out and let it be known in a community like newschoolers where everything is so far away from it
Jul 16 2009 12:48AM
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joshua
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and where did these objects come from?
Jul 16 2009 12:48AM
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Funnel
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They were just there.  Where did god come from?
Jul 16 2009 12:50AM
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jester8589
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nothing like two narrow minded groups of people shouting open your eyes at each other. good for a little chuckle.

now im not taking sides because i do believe in evolution it is very logical and evidence has been shown that is also logical.

however there are some holes in this theory. such as. Has anyone asked themselves how common are these mutations that lead to natural selection? yes very fucking common in life forms with high metabolisms like bacteria and viruses that reproduce like mad but in larger animals that have fewer generations and fewer off spring it is statistically doubtful that all the animals we have on this earth today came from absolutely nothing but atoms floating around in a soup.

and i don't feel the need to do any calculations on these statistics because everyone is claiming they're geniuses



Jul 16 2009 12:51AM
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ashamedkrew
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So a bunch of random pieces just kinda stuck together and created you and me and the earth?? what what?? So like if you just put a bunch of pieces of wood and metal and screws and some plastic and glue in a big bag and shook it up..

You could open it up and have a brand new pair of custom skis mounted up and ready to ride!

Man what logic.

Jul 16 2009 12:53AM
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InkShrink
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Yes, its one of the minor religions that don't get much attention around here, but I love reading about it.

While you guys are all debating back and forth, you're missing the concept of religion, it's not who is right or wrong, it's having something to believe in, something that gives life a purpose, a mission, a goal. Who cares who is right, to each his own.

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