Origins of biblical scripture

he's done just let it go I quote 3 posted ago "im just answering their questions they have about why i believe what i believe, but i see what you mean. and i will officaly stop posting in this thread as of now"

First, kid, lets get something straight. You don't know how to argue. You need to provide EVIDENCE to refute evolution. You have given us a couple links, but no one is gonna read a whole web page you link to. Take a SHORT relevant paragraph and put it in your post.

But, please keep adding your own utterly INSANE remarks too, they make me LOL.

i dont know whether to be happy because josh is leaving, or sad because the thread containing some of the dumbest things i have ever heard might have to come to an end

Now who did that, honestly?

Also, if you claim that the bible and religious doctrine has less flaws and explains better our word than scientific discovery... dude, I dunno what to tell you. I cant force you to open your eyes.

And earlier, you said that all people must except Jesus to go to heaven... how does one "except Jesus"?

lolz grammar jokes rule, if only to give ones self a higher ground purely on an intellectual basis!

i personally dont belvie in religiona nd stuff becuase back in the day someone crazy was in the desert and saw a mirage and said it was god and shit like that. i dont care if you belive or not but i dont like the people that spend their entire life on religion. they are wasting their life on somting that might not even exist. il think when you die you will not exist. like those night when you go to sleep then without a dream you wake up in the morning and it feels like you just went to bed like 5 mintues ago? i think it will be like that except forever. i might be right or i might be wrong idk. but i might be hypocritical but right before i die im going to pry just in case it is real.

Josh, tell me the flaws in evolution, tell me where the flaws in evolution, don't say the whole idea is wrong because the bible is right.  I want to know what part of evolution is incorrect, tell me what part is wrong.  The EXACT part.  If you can tell me the exact part that is wrong with it, I will no longer haggle you or call you out.  Come on dude.  This is a callout because you seemed to have no understanding of evolution earlier on.  Where are the flaws?

Its based on observation and logic, huge flaw for Joshua. Pretty much a complete dealbreaker.

hahaha, truth.  Something written by man with no evidence, purely faith is so much more sensible!

Not so.

My conversation with a crazy christian bitch outside my office today...


*Here holding a sign that says "Jesus Saves"*

ME: "That's a smart man that Jesus, while everyone is up to their chest in debt Jesus is living the high life off his savings."

HER: "Jesus is the answer my friend!"

ME: "And what was the question?"

HER: "To your salvation!"

ME: "Oh, well I cashed in before the market crashed so I'm doing ok, you don't look to hot though, you should ask Jesus to lend you some of his savings."

HER: "What?"

MY BUDDY JAMES: "Fuck Jesus, he should have got his dad to bail us out."

HER: "..."

because harassing someone who's likely mentally ill on the street is cool?...

Those people harass my ass every day and she is like a missionary woman not a homeless person, grow a pair dude. Stop acting like a moral authority.

It takes a pair to fight with some religious looney?

wow.......... sounds like someone needs an attitude adjustment and diversity break... (you)  classless...

I cannot speak for Joshua, but I'll see if I can give some kind of answer for myself.

I've definitely thought about this before, although perhaps not as much as maybe I should or perhaps not as much as you think I should.  I've wondered what would happen if I was in fact practicing the wrong religion.  I can't say I have much credibility though.  I didn't go on a search of the worlds religions and after exhaustive study return to Christianity.  I don't have any problems with remaining firm in my faith though.  I am not perfect though.  My interpretations of what the bible has to say aren't perfect, but I try to study it and see what I can apply to my life.  If I'm wrong in the end and another belief system is right I suppose I'm screwed.

I can't say I've ever though of becoming an athiest though.  I feel that "spirituality" and the desire to have some kind of god or creator or whatever found in everywhere around the world and in every culture is too overwhelming to rule out the possibility of there being no god at all.  If I'm wrong in the end and there is no God, I don't think I've lost anything.  I lived my life as a good person, worked hard and had fun.  What more can you ask for.

At this point in my life I am young, healthy, have tons of friends and generally enjoy life as much as I can.  It's easy for me to trust in a God who claims to love me and so of right now, I don't know if there is anything that would cause me to question my faith.  Does that mean there is nothing out there that will bring me to that point?  Absolutely not.  I hope and trust that whatever situation I find myself in, I will be able to remain strong in my faith.

I suspect I probably haven't given a fantastic answer, but I thought I'd say something seeing as how Joshua seems to be avoiding it.

Thank you.  I am Catholic but I have been on the evolution side, so I obviously might seem to be atheist.  I wish this debate was taken more like this.  Josh never answered a question.  He just said: you're wrong, I'm right and evolution has no proof, the bible has none.

I appreciate the honesty.. I'll tell you my question was more about the belief in the literal interpretation of the book. I can understand why some people have beliefs such as yourself, but when people think that the king James version of the bible is the literal word of God, that the earth was created in 6 Gregorian calendar days, there's a world of difference between you two.

I will say, even still, being an atheist does not preclude you from marveling at the amazing thing we understand life to be. To me, when you ascribe this experience we call life to the creation of a God, it loses the magnificence. Obviously this is really just in the context of the Christian faith, to pinch someone's quote when you think about it, we are both atheists --  I just extend it to one more God.

If you're interested in suggested points of view to investigate, i'll tell you one of my heroes is Douglas Adams:

if you feel like you've got a long attention span, and want to understand what i mean about marveling at life as it is see:



a medium attention span and to understand the artificial organic god created by man:



a short attention span on how we have a skewed perception and how we began to believe in God:

Despite your trepidation, I think you have indeed given a fantastic answer.

I really don't know what to think of literal interpretation vs. well.... not literal interpretation.  When it comes to things like creation.... I don't know and I don't really care.  I believe God had a hand in it.  I don't know how He did it and I'm ok with that.  I don't think it's blind ignorance.  I think it happened one way or another and that's all I need to know.  Ha ha ha.  I somehow managed to steer it back to creation again.  I apologize to all.

As for life, the universe and everything ( I haven't seen any of Adams' lectures, but I'm a huge fan of the Hitchhikers Guide and can for sure see the athiestic undertones.  Ha ha.  Good times.) I don't know enough about anything to try and make any kind of explanation.  I look at the vast beauty of space, the power of a crazy thunderstorm, the majesty of the mountains and the intricacy (biological, social, emotional, etc, etc) of an living thing and I find myself asking how it could possibly be anything but God.  Just my train of thought.

Sometime, when I've got some spare time I'll try to try to get on those Douglas Adams videos.

I think a lot of people have a terribly misguided perception of who God is, but I also think He is as He is described in the Bible but at the same time far beyond what we are capably of understanding.  How we as humans have interpreted these descriptions and ideas over the years have brought terrible things upon far too many people.  When it really comes down to it all God asks me as a believer to do is to love God and love others.  That's it, that's all.

As one who loves God I want to become more like Him so that means doing some things, not doing others and perhaps acting a certain way. 
Think of it like all the little kids that love T-Wall.  They all wear clothes that are too big on them, have Full Tilts and have figured out how to do 450 pretzels.  Is there anything stopping them from say wearing Mountain Hardware gear, going touring and never hitting another rail in their life?  No, but they won't because that isn't what want T-Wall does.

1)  I don't understand God myself, but I don't worry about trying because like you said, how is my birdhouse supposed to understand me?

2)  I really don't know how to answer.  The bible clearly says that we must accept Jesus to gain access to heaven.  What does that mean for people who live better lives than me or people who have never heard of Jesus?  I have no idea and think that's between them and God to deal with.  I have a sneaking suspicion though that God understands where people are coming from and where they are at.

I agree that people who are overzealous, especially when they are un or misinformed do way more damage than good, regardless of what they believe in or stand up for.  I for one believe the "gospel", but I promise I'm going going to be the guy stuffing it down your throat or running around with a megaphone preaching fire and brimstone.  Not my style.  Ha ha.  I enjoy good, civilized debate and discussion though.



Also.... DEFINITELY THE MOST EPIC POST HIJACK EVER!  Ha ha ha.

You touched on another important piece:

same here and Jesus doesnt decide who gets in Heaven on if they give their life yes it does save you but i beleive he decides on whats really in your heart and who knows if that guy really gave his life.

Lol didn't anyone teach you lot not to talk about religion or politics! I have laughed hard at this thread!

haha. A man who speaks with great authority on the subject...apparently!? Have you been to the afterlife and chatted with JC yourself or something?!

I have heard people say "trying to understand why god does what he does it like trying to explain how a TV works to an ant"

Well isn't the inverse true. Isn't an ant trying to explain its hopes and dreams and prayers to a human insane. And how much remorse do you feel when you crush an ant?






Also think about this, do you remember about 2 years before you were born? That's pretty much what death is like.

christianity started with jesus

can we stop posting in this thread it's over he not posting any more let it die