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T.L.
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What are your thoughts?

Does it or anything like it exist?  Are we all fucked?  Or do the people who believe it exists just look for something to blame for a shitty time in the world?

Jun 18 2009 7:55AM
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Twinjibber77
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ZOMGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jun 19 2009 4:15PM
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ATLskier
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Lincoln did the same thing. doesn't mean its right, but he did, amoung other huge huge crimes.
Jun 19 2009 4:20PM
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Casey
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I would argue that what Lincoln was facing was far more dangerous to the country that what Bush was facing. You could argue that at the time he thought he was preventing a nuclear holocaust from Saddam, but it turns out that was a hyped threat. It also turned out a lot of things about Al Qaeda were overhyped in the post 9/11 hysteria. Lincoln on the other hand, did actually have half of the country break off and form their own country, who were then spying on the government as an act of war. I wasn't alive in 1860, so I don't know if it was the right thing to do for Lincoln, but what I think we can say is that if Lincoln wasn't justified in suspending habeas corpus back then, then Bush/Obama sure as hell aren't justified in doing it now.

Jun 19 2009 4:59PM
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ElbridgeGerry
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q12 could you please give me the links to those 4 other major news sources. I get the distinct inkling you're full of shit and wear a tinfoil hat everywhere so the aliens wont read your thoughts and anal probe you. You are of all people the one who posted an Alex Jones video. He's the fucking retard who thinks that the Branch Davidians were peaceful people and the big bad Janet Reno killed them all. He shouldn't reproduce, and neither should you. He also endorses Loose Change. Which is the biggest pile of bullshit I have ever seen. Here's an idea, why don't you take your America hating ass to some backwater 3rd world country get A.I.D.S and die.
Jun 19 2009 5:55PM
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geet
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hahahah yesssss
Jun 19 2009 5:59PM
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q12
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first of all i said 4 other media outlets, not major. but you right, im sooo full of shit i can fake CNN.com articles.  you just hate that youre wrong.

http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a091601aipstatement

second to last paragraph.  there are grey links you can click on .

please notice that CBS didnt have the balls to print his entire quote, just the part about him taking an oath. 

just google september 16th 2001 bin laden denial or something and it will come up a bunch.




Jun 19 2009 7:04PM
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q12
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you clearly know little about history. you do not have enough of an open mind to even consider that the government lies.  i really feel sorry for you. its people like you that have blind loyalty to the american government is sad. grow up.

i love america, i hate the way its ran. there is a difference.
Jun 19 2009 7:11PM
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ElbridgeGerry
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Misinformed? Why don't you suck a fat cock. You were the one who was misinformed about us training Bin Laden. Democracy and Capitalism are some of the greatest things on Earth. You think we live in a totalitarian state, why don't you try moving to North Korea, where every movement, every single thing you do is censored and monitored by the government. You only spew this bullshit because you haven't lived in a real totalitarian state. I do not claim to, but my grandfather witnessed it. He lived in East Germany for 15 years. Don't feel sorry for me, the inverse should be true but it isn't. Your stupid ass is too far gone to reason with. You know, Occams razor states the simplest explanation is usually the most correct. It is much easier for me to believe the major news sources about what is happening, than some obscure conspiracy theory bullshit being recited by some wackjob in a tinfoil hat. What are you going to say next, the moon landing was faked? You are the reason some days I am ashamed of America, of people who can think only bad of the American government and that they can do no good.


If you don't like the way America is being run, then you sir can GET THE FUCK OUT

Jun 19 2009 7:23PM
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ATLskier
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you do realize lincoln tried ordinary citizens in military tribunals and didnt give them fair trials. the supreme court ruled it unconstitutional, but that didnt stop him. He started attacking fort sumpter without the congress' approval. It led to four more states seceding. Had he not done that, he could have had 4 more states on the Union, and made the war quicker with less deaths. Or he could have just bought the slaves, freed them, and saved us from this country's bloodiest war(no other industrialized nation had a war over slavery).
Jun 19 2009 7:27PM
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Ben.
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thats a helluva lotta speculation there.
Jun 19 2009 7:28PM
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Casey
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no I did not know that, interesting.
Jun 19 2009 7:30PM
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q12
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dude you are so irrational we cant even have a debate.  I like democracy, i like capitalism.  when did i ever say that i didnt? 

you cant admit that the government lied about WMDs, you cant admit that the government officially acknowledge that bin laden had nothing to do with 911. You dont address any facts. you just go off calling me names, trying to bully me online its really sad.  im guessing youre 17?


and im not wrong about the CIA and bin laden.  consider a mainstream media outlet outside the US, even the BBC has reported that many analysts believe so.

one last thing, sadly, our freedoms are being taken away rapidly and we are coming closer to living in a totalitarian state.  but you probably dont realize that.
Jun 19 2009 7:41PM
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ElbridgeGerry
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Let me be rational and address each one of your arguments


1. The government did not lie about the WMD's they simply had bad intelligence, even they have admitted this.
2. The government did not admit that Bin Laden is unrelated to 9/11
3. You are wrong about Bin Laden and the CIA. He was part of the Mujahideen, who fought the soviets. With help from the United States. So, at this point we are arguing semantics, he was trained using money supplied by the United States of America, to combat the soviets. He was not directly trained by the CIA.
4. An analyst does not equal the truth. There was a man on CNN not too long ago who talked about 2012 and the end of days, just because it's coming from a credible source does not necessarily mean it is true. It is simply their opinion.
5. I live a pretty care free life, I do not think any of my freedoms have been taken away. I can still fire guns and go hunting with my Dad. If I wanted to I could organize a hate rally against jews or blacks. I have many freedoms, I don't see what is being taken away.


I tried to address your arguments and be rational like you asked.

I would like to know what freedoms of mine have been taken away. I am being completely serious.
Jun 19 2009 7:59PM
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q12
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it will be a long time before any government agency admits to what al-qaida really is,

but this article is from Robin Cook, a former British Foreign Secretary (pretty powerful position) 

he wrote this just about a month before he died.  He had nothing to lose

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2005/jul/08/july7.development
Jun 19 2009 8:02PM
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q12
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1 the government intentionally gave the public the impression that they had WMDs, they made it up. Please read cheneys "rebuilding america's defenses"  it has been release in the minutes of a meeting either in the white house or a meeting with blair, that bush wanted to paint a plane with UN logos and fly it over iraq in hopes he would shoot it down.  They wanted him out, they CREATE reasons to attackt countries, just like they wanted to with cuba.

2. so you think if the government had any proof linking bin laden that they would leave it off their reason for him on the most wanted list.  the attack he is listed for killed about 220 people.  hmmmm 2500+ people and three buildings? or 220 people 1 bulding.  gee i wonder.  if you are actually capable of this, please find me a document from a government website that lists why/how bin laden is linked to 911.  not just saying, evidence is showing he is, or we beleive he is. .....

3/4.  please read the article i posted.

5. freedom of information act is being used in the craziest situations.


Jun 19 2009 8:12PM
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q12
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still waiting for that conviction of bin laden and 911.... hard to find isnt it???
Jun 20 2009 7:36PM
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T.L.
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Does anyone listen to the Alex Jones show regularly?  I turn it on every once in a while during my lunch break to hear whats going on.  Anyway... I have it on right now and he is going wild right now.  He's all worked up over an article the New York Times ran about veterans and people on the no fly list buying weapons and explosives???? 

I've never heard him like this.  He has been pretty accurate about calling whats going to happen as far as government planning and he just called out another staged terror attack in the next 60-90 days.  As bad as it sounds and as sickening it makes me feel to say this but it feels over due. 

Think if all the government says about terror threats is true and then look at how weak our borders are... whats stopping "terrrrrrsts from attacking" again.

Either the threat is real and we are over due, or the threat doesn't exist and the government wants us scared shitless.
Jun 22 2009 1:07PM
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neutralzombie
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the world lacks personal responsibility.

Jun 22 2009 1:39PM
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pmills
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new book


Jul 6 2009 11:21AM
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jimmer
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Goodness dude, after reading all the shit you've spewed onto this site through your keyboard, I don't know whether to laugh or cry. Do you realize how little legitimacy you have when you back your ridiculous claims with nothing from fucking youtube and "released government documents" that look like they were written by my 5th grade brother? You must get excited by all this knowledge you have somehow received.

First of all, how old are you? The older you are, the more depressed for you I will feel.

And second, get the fuck off your high horse and quit telling all these people here that they are completely ignorant. Anyone with access to youtube can look up videos and become "enlightened" like you. Tell me that bullshit about opening waking up, opening my eyes, and seeing the truth behind the conservative lies. I'll love it.

Jul 6 2009 12:14PM
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ski@jaypeak2
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So is the government really big and scary or are all these bullshit websites and talk shows really the bullies that are trying to make you scared?  Another staged terrorist attack in the next 60-90 days ZOMG!!!  Buy up some canned food now the government might attack you!!
Jul 24 2009 6:19PM
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strongmark
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please disregard everything said in this thread, its all a bunch of rubbish.

the fact of the matter is...joy division was better.
Jul 24 2009 6:26PM
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aussieskier
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And thats the problem with the U.S why not accept our help?
your natinol guard and police fuckedup katrina pretty bad, so whats wrong with getting help from forighn sources.

you dont belive foreign troops of anykind should be in your country, thats some pretty hipocritical bullshit, The USA has bases in germany, cuba, mongolia, even fucking australia. get over yourself.
Jul 24 2009 7:39PM
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OhMyBosh
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Whilst i do believe some of this is true, and that the goal people are working towards is somewhat similar to this whole NWO thingy, I find that so many conspiracy theorists are just gullible hyprocrites, who tell people not to believe what the media tells you, but then go and blinding believe what some random loser in his mom's basement on youtube tells them.
Jul 24 2009 10:17PM
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