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Il morros sizing

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Pee_and_Ski
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ok so i got fitted for a pair of dabello il morros, my foot is a 12, the man that fitted me taold me to get a 28 or a 28.5. so my question is should i go with the smaller size?

Jun 14 2009 12:40PM
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backwardsrider
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it doesnt matter either way.

28 and 28.5 have the same shell size and they come with intuition liners which you heat to have a perfect liner fit.

Jun 14 2009 2:26PM
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the-big-lepowski
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this.  They fit me like a glove and make me want to use them 100 days a year because they cause me no pain like most others.  Get them and your feet will thank you
Jun 14 2009 3:22PM
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t_rob
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Yes! The match up from shoe size to ski sizes is ridiculous. When I was sixteen I matched my 12 to a 29.5. Worst fit ever. I didn't realize how much they inhibited my skiing until i got a pair of 27.5s the next year.
Jun 14 2009 3:50PM
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Ian.Ham
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i have size 10.5 feet and i have the dalbello krypton rampage in a 28.5 and they fit me perfect soooooo........
Jun 14 2009 6:30PM
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keystoneandbone
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smaller size, and you will be stoked on the boot. Best boot ever. Check out Elan to while ur at it.

Jun 14 2009 8:18PM
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SEABURN
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I have the krypton pro in a 28 and I wear a size 12... the kid that says he has a 10.5 shoe and a 28.5 boot is fuckin stupid, or sucks... because no good skier has their boot the same size as their street shoes. I'd go smaller, because liners stretch about 1/2 a size after 10ish days of riding. also tighter fit = more control... which is good for skiing, right?

but in the end, it is worth it to try on both w/ each size on a different foot and decide which fits you better
Jun 14 2009 8:26PM
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FUUUCK
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based on your shoe size, which means shit all...


you should go with a 27.5 or 28.0 IL Moro.

BUT PLEASE SEE A GOOD BOOT FITTER.
Jun 14 2009 9:11PM
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Pipe_Munky
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shitty bootfitter! if he told YOU to decide between two sizes it means he's not confident with his own fitting abilities. go somewhere else!
Jun 14 2009 10:52PM
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*kiwiNZ*
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Your fucking stupid! your basing your sizings on his shoe size not on his foot size (which you don't know). He might have the exact same size foot as you but just wears a better fitting/different brand shoe so has a smaller size.
Jun 15 2009 12:41AM
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*kiwiNZ*
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Thats not entirely true, they are both going to fit exactly the same in the end, he is just letting the customer choose the one that feels best now. The end result will still be the same
Jun 15 2009 12:44AM
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SEABURN
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what the hell are you talking about? who wears shoes that fit like ski boots? that's not comfortable in any way... I was pointing out that the comment from the other kid wasn't going to help, because 99% of the time your street shoe size has nothing to do with your mondo size for a ski boot.
Jun 15 2009 12:57AM
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*kiwiNZ*
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First off who said anything about wearing shoes that fit like ski boots???
I said he might have better fitting shoes than you or he wears a different brand. Most people (especially younger people) wear shoes that are at least one size two big for them.
The shoe size and mondo point size table is pretty accurate IF you base it on the measurement of your foot and not the oversized shoes most people wear. Of course it can't be perfect because each brand of boots have different sizes
My boots were fitted by a good bootfitter they fit perfectly and correspond exactly with my shoe size.

Your point is ridiculous and illogical! You stated at the start of your post what your shoe and boot size was and now your trying to say that you were making the point that the other person doing the EXACT same thing wasn't going to help. You were just trying to be an arsehole and point out that you thought the guy had the wrong size boots, even though you have absolutely no clue about him.

Jun 15 2009 5:25AM
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SEABURN
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all I'm saying is that I've never met a serious skier that had a matching shoe size with their ski boot. It's an observation, not necessarily fact. I said it just so the OP would hopefully disregard the comment I was referring to and just go to a boot fitter. I'm glad we live on opposite ends of the planet, because you seem very detail oriented and picky... annoying.
Jun 15 2009 5:15PM
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*kiwiNZ*
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You still don't get it!

Your post was just as bad as the other persons that you were trying to get the OP to ignore. What makes you right and him wrong? you don't know anything about how his boots fit, so your fucking stupid to make a comment that he had the wrong size boots

What do you mean by "serious skier" anyway? and their boot size might not match their shoe size but that doesn't mean their boots fit properly?

The point i'm trying to make is your contradicting yourself by saying that you shouldn't base boot size on shoe size and then you tell one person they are "fukin stupid" based on their shoe size! Your an idiot.

Jun 15 2009 9:41PM
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SEABURN
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you aren't paying attention to what I'm saying. I'm pointing out a trend I've noticed while working at my shop street size & mondo size. we aren't even helping the kid's thread anymore, just bickering.

what I said was validating the OP, I was just hoping to show that my boot fits similar to the OP's because we have the same street shoe size and I was saying I went with a 28 in the same boot for a better fit for me ... I don't know anyones feet on NS, but I was just answering the original question while pointing out something he should ignore in his search for new boots. I don't see how what I'm saying is irrelevant or stupid.

oh and when I swear online, I'm going to spell it correctly. fuckin' a
Jun 15 2009 10:29PM
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*kiwiNZ*
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I still don't think you get it.

What makes what your saying right and the other guy wrong?
Your telling someone to ignore something when you have no idea about its accuracy.
He was just providing a comparison EXACTLY the same as what you were doing, the only difference is you abused someone else for being different to you.
Jun 15 2009 11:21PM
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SEABURN
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I'm an ignorant asshole. haha
Jun 15 2009 11:56PM
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Pipe_Munky
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please, enlighten me as to how 2 boots each with the same shell size and different liner sizes will end up fitting the same?

what makes you an authority on ski boots? i've read most of the posts you've made in this thread and you don't know what you're talking about. you can't simply base a person's boot size from their shoe size at all. i wear a size 13 shoe and a size 28.5 (new lange WC race boot) to a 29.5 depending on the brand.

Jun 16 2009 12:33AM
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backwardsrider
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intuition liners a dont come in half sizes....
Jun 16 2009 1:27AM
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*kiwiNZ*
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Liners stretch, the main component to if a boot fits is the size and shape of the shell. Two liners a half size different will stretch out to the same size i.e. the size of the shell. Its not rocket science.

I never said you could base a persons boot size on their shoe size! because most people wear shoes too big (ask any podatrist) but i did say the comparison charts between boot size and shoe size are fairly accurate IF the shoe size is measured (not based on what the shoe size the person wears)
Jun 16 2009 4:12AM
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*kiwiNZ*
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There you are pipe munky.

Consider yourself enlightened!
Jun 16 2009 4:20AM
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Pipe_Munky
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liners stretch? holy shit you just blew my fucking mind!!

no shit there sherlock. yes a liner will stretch but guess what, a 28.0 and a 28.5 will not fit the same. i've been fitting boots for several years for everyone from provincial team racers to national series mogul skiers to park rats and a ton of recreational skiers.

and as for intuition liners not coming in half sizes, please tell me how this guy was going to choose a 28.0 and 28.5.

Jun 16 2009 9:26AM
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*kiwiNZ*
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Yes they will fit the same. maybe you need to get some more experience bootfitting.
I have talked to a number of FAR more experienced bootfitters than you (30+ years) and all of them have said the same thing!
How would they not fit the same?

Jun 16 2009 9:38AM
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SEABURN
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you're such a prick. actually bootfitting and talking to bootfitters are two VERY different things. shut your damn mouth
Jun 16 2009 1:14PM
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backwardsrider
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footbed
Jun 16 2009 3:07PM
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*kiwiNZ*
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Yes they are two very different things, of course they are! One is actually doing something the other is talking. You are gaining knowledge from both, i guarantee pipe munky didn't learn everything he knows purely form just fitting people for boots, he would have had to get some knowledge of how to fit boots properly from someone.

But that doesn't even apply here, in this situation it makes no difference the people i have talked to have a LOT more knowledge than pipe munky and i'm just expressing their view point from years of experience that he doesn't have. I wouldn't need to have any knowledge of bootfitting to express their opinions, its the same as quoting or referencing another persons work in an essay.

Jun 16 2009 8:06PM
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Pipe_Munky
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allow me to let you in on a little something i have learned in the business; just because you've been doing something for 30+ years doesn't mean you're good at it.

did you really need a podiatrist to tell you that people wear shoes 1-2 sizes too big?

i would also like to know why you feel compelled to express other people's view points. there are a lot of conflicting view points with regards to fitting boots and to be honest, you really haven't expressed a view point at all. all you've done is made an incorrect statement regarding comparing shoe size to mondo point. if you really want to get technical with sizing, figure out what a 305 is in shoe size or mond point size. getting back to different view points, i've worked with some of the best in the Canadian ski business and learned from technical directors from some of the top footbed companies. do i believe everything i heard? not really. i took parts that made sense to me and applied them to doing things the way that makes sense to me.

don't come in here shooting off your mouth and trying to discredit everything people say that doesn't line up exactly to what someone has told you.

Jun 16 2009 10:47PM
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Ben.
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Jun 17 2009 1:30AM
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*kiwiNZ*
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The podiatrist point was just to prove that point, its a common problem they find.

I feel compelled to express other peoples opinions when there appears to be a consensus on the issue. It is a theory, i.e. a hypothesis that has been proven over time.
The issue being that boots with the same shell size will fit the same in the end.
Your view point seems to be uncommon in that its the only time i have ever heard it from a bootfitter that two boots with the same shell will fit differently.


What i really want to know is why you think they will fit differently? and why your opinion is so much more valid than a number of far more experienced bootfitters who have gone through more training than you and formed their opionions the same way you have.
Jun 17 2009 1:40AM
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