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the US will no longer dominate the globe

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alpinecowboy84
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i have met plenty of red blooded americans that think the US is going to dominate the worlds daily agenda for all of eternity. for all of you i have this to say:

the united states position as the worlds most dominant superpower will come to an end within our lifetime. china will be taking over that position. while china may be communist, it is supported by a market share economy that is progressing hastily and they have the population to back it - over a billion people - something that america simply cannot compete with.

as for ronald mcbush's effective foreign policy? mutually assured destruction should take care of that.
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Feb 4 2004 1:05AM
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huckster989
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as much as I hate Bush and all the shit the US has done China is not fuckin taking over. they have no resources, and if you say hi-tech / engineering jobs most of the billion or so people are poorly educated also most of china is in hospitable to growing crops and such which would be vital, also the cities have some of the worst pollution problems in the world. So please explain how they would become the new world super power?
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Feb 4 2004 2:46AM
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china is taking over, and if you dont believe me, come to vancouver. this is not a debatable topic, and its one thats been brought up here more than enough times.
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Feb 4 2004 3:13AM
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As much as i hate to say it, im going to have to agree with you. And just for the record, the United States will NOT be the world's strongest force forever. There will be an upset.. and i feel its coming soon..
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Feb 4 2004 3:59AM
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hahaha i love how you guys are treating it like a game, how there will be an 'upset' world superpowers will always fluxuate, they always have and always will. china may become the next superpower but eventually they will take a dive just like everything power that has ever existed. its weird that you make a post like to to try and get under the skin of the american population of this site. real classy.

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Feb 4 2004 4:08AM
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Bundo
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althought alpinecowboy is american, hmmm. and yes i do agree that there are the red blooded americans that think the US is the shit, those people are weird, people need to start opening up to all sides of situations, that is something that gets on my nerves.

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Feb 4 2004 4:23AM
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PhattTim
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Actually, yes, China is taking over, and what do you mean it has no natural resources, it has plenty, and perhaps it's greatest rescource? people! To say they have no resources is pure ignorance. The United States economy will crumble within 10-15 years as the rest of the world wakes up and realises, hold on, we don't have to produce for America. The USA has enormous trade deficit and that's what's gonna root ya, besides the fact that you're power trippin' and trying to take over the world. And the funny thing? Most of you are too god-damn pig headed and arrogant to even realise it, I think it's kinda funny.

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Feb 4 2004 6:17AM
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China isnt relly communist in the way that russia was and they have to many people to take care of. I think insted of the US being the big supper power NATO and the UN will take over more.



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Feb 4 2004 9:41AM
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SUpilot
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china take over the #1 spot? in your dreams! Reason in short: huge country but very factionalized. Growth rates are too dramatically different...Coast areas posting 20 -30% growth while inland having minus or no growth when inflation is taken into account. Just don't see it happening. its a fun notion, but if you really look at china's stats you will see its not possible. although it could happen if the USA got hit by an asteroid. There are a few things that will not allow them to rise to power. CIVIL WAR: Civil War between an old line corrupt Communist Government and a society going through vast changes. SOCIAL PROBLEMS: Social problems, like large un-employed workers from old state owned industries and farmers who are missing out on the improvements in the economy. Combine this with lots of environmental pollution and HONG-KONG demanding to stay free. ATTACK TAIWAN: Mainland China attacks TAIWAN, after TAIWAN declared indepdence, and the world embargoes Mainland China. Sony doesnt make you a super power, ha!
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Feb 4 2004 9:48AM
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uummm sony is japanese not chinese.


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Feb 4 2004 10:19AM
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CMUSkiFreak
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How do you become a world super power??? You stick your nose where it doesnt belong. Its called foreign relations. Lets go try and do some'good' over here so that people will forget about all the problems in their own backyard. In the US our domestic policies are shit and we have foreign policy which gives us the 'right' to go and fight off all the evil dictators. Lets thank our leaders here in the US for bringin back the days or colonialism and the empire. yeeehaw
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Feb 4 2004 10:27AM
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gravteck
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I don't think China will be able to indulge itself in the world economy just yet. One of the main reasons Western countries haven't outsourced jobs with China or just higher form of business in general is that they have a very low skill level in western languages. That's the reason you see India growing at such an alarming rate is that you have very educated people with a high level of the English, and other Western languages.
Feb 4 2004 10:46AM
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Muteman
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Itihkn it is inwviable that the USA will fall. DO u think it is possible that the European Union will tkae over? THEy seem to be growing quickly and combining trade liek that would make them a huge force.
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Feb 4 2004 11:01AM
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Ski-hobo
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EU way before the Chinks
Feb 4 2004 11:06AM
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J.D.
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Yeah, those damn Swiss could have everyone's ass anytime they wanted... except they don't fight. But I agree that the EU is better equipped governmentally to manage such a rise in power. China's unstable, you can just smell a potential revolution there. So is there going to be another cold war then, or what?
Feb 4 2004 11:30AM
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CMUSkiFreak
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cold war is inevitable cause we will only have large jerk offs in the presidential office
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Feb 4 2004 11:59AM
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SUpilot
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yeti...point is that Sony is what caused many people to think that japan was more powerfull than it really was. besides now even some of sony stuffs are assembled in the US.
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Feb 4 2004 12:44PM
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JackieChan
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America is slipping, but the main thing that will keep them in top spot is there high-tech, high powered military. Nobody else in the world can compete with that. However, as all world powers of the past have fallen, America will too, and China will most likely fill that role someday.

Feb 4 2004 2:50PM
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Itsbackfliptime
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since the US isnt really an empire I don't think it will fall in the same sense that ancient Rome fell. We may not be the top but we will definitely stay near the top.

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Feb 4 2004 2:55PM
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Infantz16
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The US may no longer be the sole world superpower, but its doubtful that it would become a minor power.

China population, which above is cited as one of their strengths and a major reason as to why they will alledgedly take over, is not a strength but a deficit. There are too many people in china to be completely unified under the government; this only leads to factionalization. That in turn further separates the people into groups, so they won't ever get anything done effectively.

On this issue of the US: I agree that the US is facing some tough issues concerning its position as the sole world superpower. But thats not to say that it is going to be replaced. The US is way too strong of a power and is too militarily advanced to be replaced as the lone superpower. China may have more people and a larger army, but no army is as technologically advanced as the US Army.

Furthermore, don't be so ignorant yourself to say that most Americans are 'pig-headed and arrogant' (PhattTim). Thats just about as hypocritical as you can be. Not every American fits your stereotype; some of us (many) are aware of what is happening in terms of foriegn policy.


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Feb 4 2004 3:10PM
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everytime i read something you write, alpinecowboy, i feel dumber
if and when the US is no longer the world's largest power, there's in NO way it's going to be in our lifetime

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Feb 4 2004 3:21PM
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west
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China may have resources, but nothe amount to support the over 1 billion people there. And, PhattTim, to call 'people' the greatest resource is ignorant. People require vast amounts of many resources to be productive that China doesn't solely have, although they do have a lot. Another reason China wouldn't take if is the issue of stability. That is plain and simple, and doesn't exactly require explination. The military there is funded very well, their experience is low, and does not meet the forces of the UN, especially in the air.




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Feb 4 2004 3:28PM
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With control of oil, the US can keep China's expanding economy from exploding... you can fill in the rest.







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Feb 4 2004 4:01PM
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GeneralButtNaked
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the way i see it is that china and north korea are like germany and russia in world war 2. North korea is gonna go ape shit and take over like japan and then sign a treaty and go after all those other little countrys down there.
Feb 4 2004 4:27PM
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LINEskier03
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the best part is that the US has the option of changing its leader every 4 years, so it keeps change happening. This, with the power of our World Leading Military, will single-handedly control our own destiny for a long time. Just look at the way we have overcome adversity in under 5 years. The economy is at a rapid growth rate, AND we are in a War this year. You really cant tell yourself that we are not doing something right. And I'm not even going to talk about china being a world power, that is way to funny for me to think of anything unintelligent that hasn't already been said. Bring on the rebuttles bitches!


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Feb 4 2004 4:30PM
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west
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^ You made some good points...some.




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Feb 4 2004 4:41PM
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i got sick off some bad pork fried rice the other day so fuck china
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Feb 4 2004 4:46PM
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i dont give a shit whos the power-tyrant like force as long as amaericanised food (taco bell, wendy's, BK McD's) is still here...and america is still free...cool with me...take the power china
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Feb 4 2004 4:59PM
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PhattTim
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haha, my goodness, a lot of you guys really have no idea. I have a degree in International Management so trust me, America is in the shit, China's economy is in fact expanding at a tremdendous rate, they will become an economic superpower and if the EU can sort it's shit out, they will be an empire perhaps greater than the romans. America never would have been the superpower it is today if hadn't been for the second world war and it could all change just as fast.

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Feb 4 2004 5:05PM
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ATLANTASKI
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yall are all a bunch of liberal fags. GOD BLESS AMERICA. BUSH KICKS FUCKIN A. AND WELL BOMB THE FUCK OUTTA CHINA BEFORE THEY TRY TO TAKE US FUCKIN OVER. O YEA AND THE SOUTH WILL RISE AGAIN BITCHES!!!!!!!!! AND ALL YOU STUPID CANADIAN COMMIES- yall are a bunch of damn communists that dont even have a real country.

and if you think chinas all powerful. read 'the bear and the dragon' by tom clancy- great read, and we kick those chinks ass in it.
Feb 4 2004 6:35PM
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SUpilot
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^ha....anyways there is a difference between being a super power in general versus an economic super power. please discern. although, economic prowess brings with it other dominating features. regardless, to say the USA will 'crumble' economically within the next decade is just naive to the nth degree. china does have gainsmaybe, but dear god they have so many problems that will prevent them from becoming the #1 super power. thats just common knowledge. how can you use the romans to compare??? the world is in a totally different state of affairs than it was when the romans reigned. power is not measured like it was during the roman empire. phattim...international management makes you right? not saying your wrong, but i too have a strong background in foreign economies. do you know that despite the claims of massive sustained economic growth made by foreigners, china's statistics are highly suspect. inside china those who report statistics see the figures as an inevitable part of the perennial political patterns of commendation...one of the hallmarks of china's modern political culture. you do not tell your bosses that they are doing badly if you want to keep your rice bowl filled. under the communist regime, anxious for its very survival, the statistical unreliability factor increases considerably. yet these dubious statistics, plus the questionable world bank calculations of purchasing power parity, are frequently be rig used to portray china as already being a colossus in the making.

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Feb 4 2004 6:54PM
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if we go down we'll take the world with us


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Feb 4 2004 7:04PM
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Feb 4 2004 7:12PM
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Indias got it goin down, they got like almost a billion people, and that killer sintar music!

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Feb 4 2004 7:30PM
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PhattTim
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SUPilot, we're talking about different things man. I'm talking about economic superpowers, not superpowers in general which mainly refers to military strength, the US will remain a force to be reckoned with for quite some time I imagine.

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Feb 4 2004 11:20PM
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china sucks








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Feb 4 2004 11:49PM
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coolcat410
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This is the dumbest thread ever, China taking over is crazy. Our economy is a million times better then Chinas. Plus all you people that think Bush is horrible because he attacked Saddam and stuff and went right after the terrorists. I think what Bush did was an awesome stagedy he instantly attacked our attackers so no attacks would happen again and terrorist groups and countrys would fear us in that we WILL attack right afterwards in no time at all. in all america is the strongest country in the world and you canucks are just jealous. We're still the cleanest too...those other countries smell...even France.
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Feb 5 2004 12:03AM
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China is definitely going to become a force in world politics within our lifetimes. Whether it will be a dominating force is much harder to discern.

While they are definitely succeeding in obtaining industrial labor from fully industrialized (a term which i use knowing its not really representative) nations such as the US and Canada it lacks both the petroleum and natural mineral deposits necessary to really compete in a global market free of the WTO, IMF, and World Bank (which it will need to do to challenge our preeminence, a difficult task when we control 51% of both the IMF and World Bank).

India also has a shot at becoming a powerful nation because of it's rapid population growth and growing technical market. However, India's power is going to be in threatening the remainder of the world with overpopulation, not with its military or economic superiority.

I think that in the next twenty years we're going to see the global market change significantly, but not to the drastic extent some prophets have foreseen on this thread. America is going to fully realize its status as a post-industrial society, while countries such as China and India are going to step up as industrial powers.

Where that leaves us is going to depend heavily on foreign relations and on our ability to protect small businesses in America. Right now I don't think we can predict when the 'fall' of the US 'empire' will occur.
Feb 5 2004 2:39AM
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PhattTim
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coolcat, you didn't 'attack your attackers' Iraq never attacked you, you're full of shit.

And whoever brought up 'Bear & The Dragon', don't be so goddamn stupid, that's a completley fictional book, written by an American. How well do you think his book would sell if he made China whoop America's asses? Retard! And it was a terrible book, not well written, poorly thought out and he's taken Jack Ryan much too far so as to make a good character highly implausable. Think before you speak you dumb shit.

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Feb 5 2004 5:13AM
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i'm with tim on this one i'm out of the US with in the next 10 to 15 i'm movin out to NZ or even canada

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Feb 5 2004 6:08AM
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SUpilot
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when i went to NZ they told me and my friends that max stay in the country is 3 months and then you have to leave...how does it work if you want to have a residency there?
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Feb 5 2004 10:05AM
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^somebody told me that you have to be well learned in a specific trade (i.e. good enough to make your stay worthwhile for NZ) or else you can only stay for 3/6 mos. maybe that wasn't true care to enlighten us timmy? and i'm with ^ this guy i'm movin to canada once i graduate



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Feb 5 2004 1:54PM
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4skizzle
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HAHAHAHA..... china is taking over.... that's a good one.










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Feb 5 2004 1:59PM
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The only thing China will be taking over is diseases...as in taking them over to other countries, the dirty bastids!
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Feb 5 2004 2:47PM
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good one jookie,










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Feb 5 2004 2:52PM
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$1080PLP$
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most countries are like that you can get a 3 to 6 month work visa... then you have to eather mary someone from over there or get a 'real' job there that will work the the Gov to get a extended work visa or full residance.... thats going to be the shits when i want to move up to whistler for a year after college

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Feb 5 2004 3:43PM
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Many of you have a scarily outdated view of the world. N. America and Europe have 1 big problem: The boomers fucked us. Our society is 'saturated' in debt and consumer products. Everyone has a car, everyone has a house and evryone has a TV and the other things that make life here good. If you want to sell anything here, you need to deal with cuthroat marketing and extremely skillful business tactics. The market is too tough here, a developing market is much easier to sell shit in and foreign countries are just starting to get where they need to be. Furthermore, we may the best standard of living, but banks in an effort to keep the economy going, have allowed personal and national debt to go through the roof, at a time when a huge slice of the population is set to retire. That bill will have to paid sometime, and its us thats going to have to do it. And the real kicker is: the current people running the government and businesses that got us into this will be sipping margatitas when the reset button finally gets pushed.

Developing nations, on the other hand, like China and India have caught up. Their education and manufacturing sectors are every bit as good as ours. They are small comparitively, but growing fast. The thing is, a Chinese or Indian engineer will work for a fraction of what someone here would. To make a real world example, where are Lines bindings made? Where did K2 move its production to?? CHINA. Where they can make shit for peanuts. PLus, with all the new factory jobs, workers in those countries both skilled and unskilled have the money to buy things they couldn't before, cars, homes, tvs, its got all the makings of a boom. it doesnt take a rocket scientist to see which market has the most potential.

The only reason domestic economies have been growing lately is because everything has been put on credit. China and India are 100 years behind, but thats a good thing, it will be an Industrial revolution all over again and they have a good 100 years of growth to look forward to before they are in the same boat we are. Thank your parents and grandparents for that.

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Feb 5 2004 4:38PM
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snafu
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you guys worry too much live your damn life and stop worrying. might as well have fun before you die
Feb 5 2004 4:46PM
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ATLANTASKI
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phatt tim ur a fag. you know jack shit. if china even tries some shit to us- we'll have 35 icbms up their ass before they can say fried rice. SO FUCK CHINA- AND GOD BLESS AMERICA, AND THE SOUTH WILL RISE AGAIN BIATCHES!!!!!!!!!!!
Feb 5 2004 5:02PM
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4skizzle
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the south pfffth.










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Feb 5 2004 5:06PM
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five0
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phattims the shiznit...like popeyes chicken
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