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Can we just bomb the living shit out of North Korea already?

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Flo_Rida_2016
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Havent made a post in a while so here goes:

First read:
http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/06/08/nkorea.journalists/index.html

Second read:
I personally think its time we blew the dust off our awesome nuclear warheads and "Test" them out say... (Latitude: 39° 1' 10 N, Longitude: 125° 45' 17 E (Pyongyang) and make some sweet posters out of the sweet mushroom cloud pictures after. I think its time we (the Obama administration) quits sweet talking everyone and finally just demonstrates our enormous power over our evil enemies for sweet glorious USA.

No but seriously. How can the State Department just let them steal our, albiet ultra liberal, CITIZENS and just let them sentence them to 12 years in forced labor. Don't get me wrong, I personally think these ladies are extremely retarded for stepping anywhere near 1° of global coordinates of the glorious DPRK, but still, Al Gore bitches or not, they deserve better than to be what the Chinese claim as abducted by some renegade backwards shitbox of a "state"

And this is directed towards all of Washington, not just Obama. Last year, we removed North Korea from our blacklist/axis of evil/foreign threats/ terror supporters w/e you want to call it. This appeasement must not happen. Wanna know what happened last time we appeased a head of state? Oh yeah, 6 million jews died. While sweet talk and moral equivalancy might just work in bringing peace to the Middle East, heads of state are not as easily persuaded. Where the nationals and regligious of the middle east are fighting primarily over identity, the DPRK purely wants more power, influence, security, and perhaps even imperialism? Thus there is only one question to be asked: What happened to good ol' American badassedness? Where the fuck is Bushy when you need him? We finally have a country we can legitimately go in and bomb the living shit out of, and we hold back on it.

Seriously, swim that big ol' submarine off the coast, and bring some nuclear winter on their sorry little asses. Hey Kim Jong Il, that little stroke you had last winter is nothing compared to the 2 megaton explosion about to happen all over your face.

Yeah, sit back and test your "ICBMs". When all's said and done there won't be mutally assured destruction. Only Korean (north) assured destruction, or as I like to say, KAD.

But in all seriousness, dont you think it would at least be appropriate, if not optimal to send some DEVGRU SEALs or Delta Special Forces to illegally rescue these women, much like the way Delta failed in rescuing the Iran contra hostages, or the way CIA/Moussad killed all those dudes after the olympics? Or how bout when DEVGRUs flew all the way from Little Creek, VA and parachutted off the coast of Somolia to headshot those 3 pirates and rescue that captain? C'mon man.

America: fuck, yeah.
Jun 8 2009 12:24PM
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pmills
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i guess i also wanted to add on to your argument for the value of war through the advancements that were made by the military...

What, which we gained through war, couldn't have been discovered, if equal money [to that spent in war] had been invested in areas of science, education, and medicine? In war, everything you build is made to blow up, or there's someone else out there trying to blow it up. I think you're flying a red herring by exampling things that have arisen out of war, while suggesting that war was the only environment conducive to these technological advancements.

Even if putting money in an education system is slower to produce similar results, at least the investment is made to be long lasting -- unlike anything made for war.
Jun 8 2009 5:22PM
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pmills
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looking at what Ju called for in his original post, brings up similar policies held During the time of the cold war, and Vietnam.

We use to be able to send in our marines to take care of business, but now, we've got to play a legitimate game of civil discourse.
Jun 8 2009 5:25PM
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Mr.Panda
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still confused...  but, 36+hrs without sleep could do that...  fucking finals.
Jun 8 2009 5:30PM
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neon1peace
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Jun 8 2009 6:08PM
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mmallender.
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you mother fucker...... you beat me to it lol
Jun 8 2009 6:43PM
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Flo_Rida_2016
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I disagree. After WW I, i would say 90% of the military projects are designed to protect/facilitate soldiers with only 10% being devoted to things that you say, "blow up."

For example, today the US develops so many things such as firewalls, battlefield surgery, body armor, vehicles that can withstand blasts, better flashlights, better camouflage, better automated drones, better surveillance techniques, and counter sniping.

We have yet to add a new gun to our arsenal. We are still using the same stoner system (ar-15, m16, m4, sr-25, etc.) 5.56x.223mm STANAG NATO gas operated guns which were invented for the vietnam war. Very little has been invested into devising new guns or bombs.

We still use pretty much the same bombs, albiet they have far superior guidance technology which has plenty of aplicable uses. I mean, to find a golf course i use GPS. Once im there, to find my yardages, i once again access GPS.

But even say we did devote more than 50% of military spending on weapons and not defense. Even still, the simple reality is we can never invest equal money and resources into areas of science education and medicine. What's more, even if we could, the demand for innovations and fast inventions just isn't there.

The military provides both supply (resources and funding) as well as demand!
Jun 8 2009 8:55PM
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Flo_Rida_2016
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1. We were n00bs back then. DEVGRU SEALs and Army DELTA and modern CIA SAD are far superior than they used to. This isnt surprising; we've had 30+ years to build on previous knowledge. Not to mention, theres really no competing special forces out there now that can compete with our tier1 groups. Sure SAS or spetznas might match up to Army SF and SBS might match up to Navy SEALs, but no where in the world will you find anyone that can match up to DEVGRU SEALs and Army Delta. In short, we are really competent now.

2. We don't have to worry nearly as much about MAD because there is only one hegemon now and its us. And we are a much more dominating hegemon than the Cold War USSR or USA could ever imagine. No shot any other "superpower" (btw, superpower is a huge misnomer considering were the only real superpower) would ever seriously consider retaliating against us. Especially not over DPRK.
Jun 8 2009 9:00PM
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crayons
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cause then they would bomb us
Jun 8 2009 9:02PM
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PhilboydStudge
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Jun 8 2009 9:09PM
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eastcoastsoloMAN
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yeah but i think that America shoulddo at least something before the north koreans decide to take power into their own hands..... were in a hole
Jun 8 2009 9:15PM
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pmills
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i guess what it comes down to is, is social activism/domestic dissidence enough to keep us (read government) from doing anything so blatantly as you wish. I know many people don't care enough, or wish to pursue passive means to achieve success, which you probably find rather annoying.

But I'll say  you're too quick to write off the diplomatic approach. There have been successful, non-militaristic, accomplishments in foreign policy within the years post WWII.  Bill Richardson and Saddam first jumped to my mind.  -- To me if you go in there guns blazing, in the stereotypical American fashion, you might take out lil kim, but how many more people will you piss off? What cards are you giving others to play in the future.

I understand the 'rest of the world' will be happy that he's gone, but let's not pretend that means everyone; typically we're talking only about the affluent nations, and the majorities therein. What we know is that you don't need to be a huge prosperous nation to wreak havoc for the rest of us...(it just helps a lot.)


Jun 9 2009 1:05AM
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tjski
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yes. and a few other places while we are at it..
Jun 9 2009 12:52PM
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the_moderaper
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NK is just using those women at bargaining chips to get away with their nuclear program. i also think that a few nuclear tests would be good. it would wake the world up and let them know that were 99.9999999999 percent ready to whip ass at any time. the .00000000000001 percent is the obama administration. personally i dont think obama deserves to die but i think that he sucks the minoritys dicks to get into office and doesnt belong anywhere near the white house. maybe he can go paint his cardboard box white idc but all hees doing is hurting the country. were in an economic crisis now and hees giving free money to other countrys. wtf. im not gona lie i think that an assasination of him would be nice. id rather 1 person whos just gona make things worse die than millions when NK trys to nuke us. we need to demonstrate our power and get a real president who doesnt kiss every1s ass and not act. wheres regan when u need him. u guys know that hees stopping production of the joint strike fighter. the fighter that will put us 100 years ahead of the rest of the world. the most advanced thing ever to be made and obamas also cutting thousands of military things tht i dont feel like listing but its prolly gona make my dad lose his job and i aint happy. now where am i gone get snowboarding money from.
Jun 9 2009 4:13PM
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BxB
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im down to reck havoc on any country or group that threatens america and our values.
Jun 9 2009 6:31PM
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Flo_Rida_2016
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we tried diplomacy already. for 50 fucking years.

They withdrew from 6 party talks. They decided to bolster their nuclear program in a simple act of disobedience. They declared nuclear war on the UN for sanctions.

These are not rational ppl. Diplomacy has failed miserably already and its time to show them we aint messin.
Jun 10 2009 8:50AM
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wh@t
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word to you man.

this is an incredibly multi-faceted argument. and there are so many different scenarios that can occur to any set of actions that it is just incredible to think of. the only thing i can see happening is Kim Jong Il dying and the world forgetting communism still exists and learning that communism, even in its truest form, may not be the best for all people because people are individually intelligent. hopefully time will cure our ailments. or we are in the end of days thanks to mutually assured destruction. that is probably the only thing that can save us now.
Jun 10 2009 9:19AM
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