pretty much down to these two for next year. I only care about jump and pipe performance. I was also wondering what the difference in the walls(other than sizing) is from 08 to 09, and if anyone has skied the 2010 reno jibs that could compare them to the 09s. I would be getting the 181 reno jibs or the 178 walls, so telling me about a 158 wall isn't very helpfull. lastly how much camber do both have, and could someone take a picture of the jibs camber w/o the brakes holding them together?