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The Downward Spiral of America

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BandieBoy
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It is absolutely disgusting observing everything that is happening to this once great country.  Obama and his socialist cronies devising a trillion dollar budget that we can only hope to recover from in several decades time.

Iowa approving gay marriage by the COURTS, and not by the peoples vote.  Just goes to show that the PEOPLE know that homosexuality is not a legitimate institution that will be recognized by this country.  Sickening.

Several proposals across states for the legalization of marijuana.  I know people on here are into smoking, and some of my friends are, and I completely disagree with it but i can't change your mind.  However, this shouldn't be imposed upon the people as a will.  It is a choice, and if you want to smoke, then congrats, but do it on your own time, don't force it on everyone around here.

/Rant
Apr 27 2009 2:35AM
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PhaedeD
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dude stfu i know people with next to nothing that have a job and pay 34 dollars a month for healthcare.
Apr 27 2009 5:56PM
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Ben.
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but, (as far as i know) you can KEEP your private insurance yes? so if you can afford it, go for it, this just provides for people who cant.
Apr 27 2009 5:57PM
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k-rob
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i would have gone for my private doctor if i had known i was going to have to wait 6 hours in emergency to find out whether or not i had a blood clot. it's really hard to get an appointment with my private doctor though, especially on short notice, and i'm sure it's the same for everyone else.
Apr 27 2009 6:01PM
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PhaedeD
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its because your system has become flooded, private and public.
Apr 27 2009 6:03PM
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pmills
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Regardless of the "people you know" the fact is that the costs of out-of-pocket medical care for the uninsured has been rising, while the quality of their care is decreasing. Unless you've got a fat wallet, or a job with decent medical coverage you're SOL. Our country is the only place you'll find people looking for jobs based on the provision of medical insurance.

If you're trying to say that what we've got works, and works well, you're only talking about it in terms of people with money.
Apr 27 2009 6:06PM
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k-rob
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it sucks for everyone. the doctors are overworked, and the patients would rather perform their own surgery than wait in either public or private to get it.
Apr 27 2009 6:06PM
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jayo.
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This thread is fun

Apr 27 2009 6:11PM
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PhaedeD
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what we have works better than what they what they are trying to make us use lol, so lets go back to the drawing board and not use something that we know is going to fail...
Apr 27 2009 6:13PM
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BrewskiJr
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Wow. I am not the biggest fan of many of Obama's policies myself but what you said was some of the most incoherent shit i have heard in a while. There was absolutely no reasoning behind any of your accusations. You can't make a blatant sweep like that with nothing to back it up with. And with that, I leave with a quote from the great principal from Billy Madison, with one minor adjustment:

"Mr. BandieBoy, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
Apr 27 2009 6:15PM
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PhaedeD
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im not sure you understand exactly what is going on lol
Apr 27 2009 6:18PM
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BrewskiJr
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that wasn't exactly towards the whole medicare issue. I'm talking about his initial rant.
Apr 27 2009 6:20PM
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PhaedeD
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ok well he is spending more than anyone ever has EVEEERRRRRRR

lets just ask the federal reserve to print more god that always works!!!!


we need to go back to the old system where the country has to have as much gold as cash hahahaha!
Apr 27 2009 6:27PM
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pmills
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The only part that works in our system is the innovation at the top level and care for the most wealthy, the rest of our population is suffering from poor quality and high out-of-pocket costs.

According to the WHO we rank 37th for quality of health care just above Slovenia, 7 places behind Canada.
Apr 27 2009 6:29PM
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Mr.Panda
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.......  shut up.

im on drugs right now for a screwed up rotator cuff and this should be an entertaining day while high on pain killers but this thread angers me.
Apr 27 2009 6:31PM
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PhaedeD
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ya that sucks but like i said fuck the system they are going to try and use and think up a better one that wont fail. im not opposed to a change but what we are heading towards is a disaster.
Apr 27 2009 6:36PM
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Ben.
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thats another huge problem i have with congress right now. the GOP loves to bitch and moan about obamas policies, YET THEY DONT HAVE COUNTER POLICIES A LOT OF THE TIME. if your going to say someones plan is a BAD idea. have another one instead.

and that wasnt directed at you really. i certainly dont expect you to single handedly reinvent the american healthcare system haha
Apr 27 2009 6:41PM
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95959
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A) The recession started oh... 10 months ago?
B) The war in Iraq and the war in Afghanistan are two COMPLETELY different things.
Apr 27 2009 6:42PM
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pmills
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You really don't have much of an argument for why this will fail, if you're saying it'll be just like the Canadian system -- Canada ranks higher on the WHO

if you're saying it'll be like medicare/caide and those systems have been working towards providing better quality for less cost moreso than private insurance, over the past 10 years.

Keeping things the way things are would be the real failure, what is being proposed is not a disaster, at least not for the majority of people, and even so the outcome of providing insurance for every american will relieve the growing pressures of chronic condition as we start to cut the problems off at the root.

One of the major problems with opponents to the new plan is that in focusing on short-term costs, it seems like we are spending more. We need to consider long-term results from this change.

An example of this mindset comes from a study i read about diabetes; Within the study researchers were comparing preventative measures to reduce individuals' chances of developing adult-onset diabetes. The lifestyle intervention showed drastic reductions (48% in the top 20%), however lifestyle changes are expensive to facilitate. It turned out being about  $100 more expensive per person than simply using a well-known drug. However the point was that over time the cost of lifestyle changes continually decreased while the pharmaceutical solutions did not.
Apr 27 2009 7:03PM
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PhaedeD
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lifestyle changes like... dont eat a shit ton of sugar and shitty food eat healthy? that doesnt cost that much haha


the thing is we cant be spending more and more and more now we need to try and cut spending as much as possible. the new plan will not do that and if it gets signed in its going to be something that can never be changed.
Apr 27 2009 7:07PM
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BrewskiJr
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And by drug you mean weed? PPLLEAAASEE!! PRETTY PLEASSEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Apr 27 2009 7:11PM
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Ben.
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leave
Apr 27 2009 7:13PM
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Phill.
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Apr 27 2009 7:21PM
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Ben.
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... right. whats your point
Apr 27 2009 7:22PM
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PhaedeD
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has anyone noticed these 2 things about obama lol

he still thinks he is campaigning the way he speaks and when he speaks it seems like he is looking down on everyone like they arent as intelligent as him?
Apr 27 2009 7:27PM
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Phill.
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just thought the picture (mostly the progress part)was ironic to the thread thought maby someone would find it amusing also.... guess im wrong....
Apr 27 2009 7:31PM
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TheButterHashira
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Oh god the government is going to force you to smoke out of a penis shaped bowl. Making you gay and high at the same time. I think there are much larger fuck ups of the government right now like, the deficit, bailouts, military presence over seas.
Apr 27 2009 7:34PM
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LineAddiction9
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHH WOW WOW WOW   YOU had like one good point and the rest was SICKENING YOU BASTARD!!!!   YOUR A DISGRASE TOO THIS COUNTRY WE SHOULD BURN YOU AT THE STAKE AND THE COUNTRY SHOULD CHEER!!!!!!!  YOU WORTHLESS LITTLE BASTARD!!!!!!   Your nothing more than shark bait!!!!!!   GO DIE!!!

Apr 27 2009 7:34PM
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Mr.Panda
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its something my parents noticed too...  all his speeches are like he is getting ready to campaign again in 2012 and feels like he is talking down at the people...  its annoying.
Apr 27 2009 7:36PM
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skiminnesota
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A) cool, so the recession started 10 months ago. at the risk of sounding like a cold heartless bastard ( which i am) the market needed to correct, and thats what its doing. could home prices go up infinitely? can people spend money with no worry about paying it back? this however IMO does not give him right to go spend our country into the gutter.

war is war. and it is FACT that Obama really isnt the "anti war" candidate.  he is merely reallocating resources. he is decreasing war in one area, and increasing war in another area. im sorry its "over seas contingency plan" right?
Apr 27 2009 7:36PM
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Mr.Panda
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i dont even know where to begin...  whether i should correct your grammar and spelling issues....  or you being a moron.
Apr 27 2009 7:37PM
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Phill.
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now thats a patriot!
Apr 27 2009 7:37PM
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skiminnesota
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one word. Rationing. when you have something that everyone wants, and there is not enough for everyone to consume as much as they want. there is a from of weeding out who wants it, how bad they want it.

or we could just let someone in Washington decide who gets their prescription filled and who dies. that works too, i mean we dont trust the government with wire tapping, or telling us the truth on WMD's or on a whole host of issues, but yeah, ide trust them to divvy up the healthcare.

"at the moment health authorities make the decisions on drug rationing on an individual basis. " More than 5% of the 3,000 surveyed also said they knew of patients who had died as a result of being denied treatment on the NHS.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/251988.stm


wow, this is just plain sad.
"Dehydrated patients were forced to drink out of flower vases, while others were left in soiled linen on filthy wards. "

"The commission's report - revealed in yesterday's Daily Mail - said at least 400 deaths could not be explained, although it is feared up to 1,200 patients may have died needlessly."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1162552/Brown-apologises-unacceptable-failings-Stafford-Third-World-hospital.html

our healthcare system is far from perfect. but lets not make it free, there is no such thing as a free lunch.
Apr 27 2009 7:58PM
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PhaedeD
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im glad you are always here to back me up cause im to lazy to go out and find the facts... must be all the weed hmm legalize it :)
Apr 27 2009 8:31PM
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Ben.
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of course hes still campaigning, he wants to get re-elected, same as any other politician ever has.


i havent really noticed the looking down though
Apr 27 2009 8:38PM
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SpaceTiger
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Yeah america was in really good shape until obama was in office. His agenda just consists of socialism, reefer madness, and white house dogs!

PYSCH
Apr 27 2009 8:47PM
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skiminnesota
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it scares me. i HATE the idea of government doling out the healthcare. 

this is just plain FUCKED up.

"The head of the World Health Organization calculated that Britain has as many as 25,000 unnecessary cancer deaths a year because of under-provision of care. Twelve percent of specialists surveyed admitted refusing kidney dialysis to patients suffering from kidney failure because of limits on cash. Waiting lists for medical treatment have become so long that there are now "waiting lists" for the waiting list.

 Malmo, with its 280,000 residents, is Sweden's third-largest city. To see a physician, a patient must go to one of two local clinics before they can see a specialist. The clinics have security guards to keep patients from getting unruly as they wait hours to see a doctor. The guards also prevent new patients from entering the clinic when the waiting room is considered full."

The American Association of Physicians and Surgeons
Walter E. Williams is a professor of economics at George Mason University
Apr 27 2009 8:54PM
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skiminnesota
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sorry, there was more.

A man with a broken ankle is facing a lifetime of pain because a Health Service hospital has refused to treat him unless he gives up smoking.

John Nuttall, 57, needs surgery to set the ankle which he broke in three places two years ago because it did not mend naturally with a plaster cast.

Doctors at the Royal Cornwall Hospital in Truro have refused to operate because they say his heavy smoking would reduce the chance of healing, and there is a risk of complications which could lead to amputation.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-481617/Doctors-refuse-fix-builders-broken-ankle-unless-quits-smoking.html




Apr 27 2009 8:59PM
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PhaedeD
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kids on ns that are all over obamas dick for reasons they dont even know, dont wanna believe this shit. its sad its the truth and people fail to see it.
Apr 27 2009 9:05PM
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PhaedeD
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at least we can get treatment if we need it lol
Apr 27 2009 9:08PM
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skiminnesota
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could you give us a rundown?

i know we dont have it perfect. but im happy.

another angle that should be considered is innovation in healthcare... where does it come from? new drugs?
Apr 27 2009 9:11PM
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pmills
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Look who you're supporting; the guy who won't give up smoking so he can walk around without pain. It's not like the doctors are holding the surgery from him simply because they want to make him live a 'healthier' lifestyle, his smoking is actually a factor in his health.

if sosmeone from california knows more about the health care plan where you don't have co-pays, rather you pay-front and it provides care for anything that happens speak up. As i recall it's an amazing system, you'd think it'd go broke in a week without having pay-per-visit revenues but it's working pretty well. 
Apr 27 2009 10:24PM
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ElbridgeGerry
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DONT FEED THE TROLL!!!






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Apr 27 2009 10:37PM
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JacheOReally
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I recently watched the movie "The Business of Getting High".  I do not smoke, I just dont care for inhaling anything but oxygen, but, I am 100% pro marijuana legilization after watching this movie.  There is no legitimate reason why marijuana should be illegal.  Watch this movie.
Apr 27 2009 10:39PM
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skiminnesota
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ok, I am a skier (obviously haha) and last winter i took some nasty spills, etc etc. well i have a "tough it out" mindset, and i didnt go to the doctor even with my back being in severe discomfort. well long story short i destroyed about 6 disks in my back. and had all these differnt growth steroids, PT, the whole program.

now when i went into the doctor they didnt look at me and go "well are you going to give up skiing"? they advised me that skiing isnt the best thing for my body (duh) but they did not refuse care for me just because i actively participate in an activity that has the potential to cause un desired effects on my body.

 whats next, no MTN dew for you, your family has a history of adult onset diabeties. (my family) its obvoiously not the best thing for you, but that doesnt mean i should be denied getting the medical treatment i need.

im sure the guy knows smoking isnt good for him, and he should be advised that smoking can have adverse effects on his recover. then he should have his ankle put back together. IMO what the hell give the guy a chance.

whats next? you're not worth saving, you're already 90 years old, how useful are you to us?
Apr 27 2009 10:40PM
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skiminnesota
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no. he does not have to. he has CHOSEN to, but he does not have to.

you must be a Keynesian?
Apr 27 2009 10:44PM
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ElbridgeGerry
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Kenyesian economics is lame, he's also a pacifist.
Apr 27 2009 10:46PM
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comeatmebro
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jesus, why did anyone even reply to his bullshit thread?

everyone knows it's a fucking alias that provokes you all. let the shit die. he spews this shit all the time.
Apr 27 2009 10:48PM
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mait
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Brutal you must have fail social class mate.

Not socialist , and america already has trillions of dollars in debt, dont blame the black man.

Gay marriage?! does it affect you? no it doesn't

Weed? it used to be legal, It used to be one of americas greatest crops. Then the dumbasses who were afraid of losing the popular vote fucked shit up by running a campaign of terror. Wasting even more of that precious money you're so worried about

But yeah. That country is fucked bud.

Apr 27 2009 10:50PM
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95959
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He never pretended to be an anti-war candidate, the fact is that the war in Afghanistan has somewhat of a purpose, rather than the war in Iraq. And no.... it's a war.
Apr 28 2009 9:23PM
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